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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 24 Rating
Perfect 10 227 52.79%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 88 20.47%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 35 8.14%
7 out of 10 : Good 30 6.98%
6 out of 10 : Average 17 3.95%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 7 1.63%
4 out of 10 : Poor 5 1.16%
3 out of 10 : Bad 7 1.63%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 3 0.70%
1 out of 10 : Painful 11 2.56%
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Old 2008-09-22, 04:37   Link #1001
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To love is to believe, to have faith, to trust.

Kallen most probably still believes in Lelouch... but unlike Suzaku... Lelouch did not do anything particularly deserving of his death in her hands.

Speaking with emotions in mind. If Kallen really loved him that much... what has she to justify her desire for killing him outright? (Along with C.C. for that matter)... they were relatively unarmed, she could have taken out the empty Shinkirou and end all progress, she could have cornered him as he tried to make his escape and force him to explain himself (and totaly toast C.C.'s KMF in the process, whatever suits you)....but NO... instead.... just for his silent treatment... and... "You're my greatest pawn".... she TEARS her way into the loading bay, tears is a pun btw... she was 'tearing' as in tear drops (for those who still couldn't get it)... and slams the shit with "I AM SO GONA BBQ U! LELOUCH!!"

And all that for what? Love? Seriously, maybe she felt she was married to Lelouch or something and it was her "entitlement" to have Lelouch all to herself, even if he was more interested in C.C. or someone else for that matter that she would totally murder him if he 'cheated'.

But thats just speculation...of what we can tell, Kallen just didn't love Lelouch as much as Shirley did. For all of Shirley's naivette... she still > Kallen in this faculty.
Kallen has her code of honor. She loves him dearly but must stop his insane crusade.

It's like Catwoman and Batman. In some stories Batman is in love with Catwoman but he can't let this selfish desire to be with her get in the way of the greater good, justice, etc.

It's a subject brought up in a lot of comic books. Superhero falling in love with supervillain.

Rogue and Gambit are a good example. Gambit has betrayed the X-Men a few times and hurt Rogues feelings. Team has had to face off against him even though he was a friend.

Got it?

During the Marvel Civil War... several super heroes found themselves on the opposite side of the war. Even the best of friends had to make a choice and kick each others asses.


It makes good storytelling. Lovers on the opposite sides of a war. Throwing their love of each other out the door for the sake of humanity, chivalry, the greater good.
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Old 2008-09-22, 04:38   Link #1002
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Kallen Savior'ing C.C. over the ocean was dirty. She's trying to keep C.C. and Lelouch far apart!
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Old 2008-09-22, 04:45   Link #1003
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That was provided he somehow calculated Lelouch sucess with the countermeasures against the last FIRED FLEIJA...

anyway, watch again with bias against bias. He said that to "DISENGAGE THE SELFDESTRUCT MECHANISM OF THE DAMOCLES"... he would need Nunnaly to hand over the switch of the FLEIJA... basically, selfdestruction is on its way.

Now if you have managed to read it as, "The switch is in Nunnaly's hands, so she will detonate the Damocles"... that would be utter rubbish.
When he mentioned that some could not go ahead with his plan to Cornelia... he was talking about Nina. He knows how to read people. Nina defected.

He would have anticipated that Lelouch would have gone after FlEIA's creator. He knows of Nina's abilities. He could have anticipated that such a device might be created.

Remember... Schneizel doesn't care if he wins or loses any match. For him victory is just about winning a game or a war. He always has several backup plans already worked out. He prepares for more than one outcome.

He probably formulated a plan where most possible outcomes end up in a personal victory for himself. No matter what happens... something positive will occur. Either Lelouch dies or he learns something. He doesn't care which plan succeeds... just that one does.
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Old 2008-09-22, 04:49   Link #1004
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Kallen has her code of honor. She loves him dearly but must stop his insane crusade.

It's like Catwoman and Batman. In some stories Batman is in love with Catwoman but he can't let this selfish desire to be with her get in the way of the greater good, justice, etc.

It's a subject brought up in a lot of comic books. Superhero falling in love with supervillain.

Rogue and Gambit are a good example. Gambit has betrayed the X-Men a few times and hurt Rogues feelings. Team has had to face off against him even though he was a friend.

Got it?

During the Marvel Civil War... several super heroes found themselves on the opposite side of the war. Even the best of friends had to make a choice and kick each others asses.


It makes good storytelling. Lovers on the opposite sides of a war. Throwing their love of each other out the door for the sake of humanity, chivalry, the greater good.
Which just proves that Kallen X Lelouch will never make it, because its doomed to failure.

And it also reinforces the point of Shirley > Kallen in loving Lelouch too.

Furthermore, they have done that much better with Suzaku, so obviously, you should have a little respect for others getting that sort of argument ... LOOOOONG before you even said anything about X men n frens.

Now Kallen and Lelouch on the other hand.... is like... plain rubbish... no drama, not hesitation, no cornering and showing little signs of trust and hope.... instead... its all out "Throwing their love of each other out the door for the sake of humanity, chivalry, the greater good."

She tore into the loading bay, screamed of his insanity and proceeds to give him the big one.

Which goes to show once again... if you really like to put it that way... a lousy copy of BatmanXCatwoman...
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Old 2008-09-22, 04:52   Link #1005
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lol Lelouch owned Schneizel with that old Mao routine again. But seriously, how did he have time to geass all of those guards, record the video, play the video, and make it to where Schneizel was all before Schneizel had the time to launch out of the Damocles?

And dam you Kallen for interrupting what could have been a juicy Lelouch x C.C. scene >:O

Mwahahahahahahahaha !
That's what CC gets to have interrupted the hottest scene in CG ever (aka the Tabasco scene :P)
She took her time but she get her revenge :P

Seriously, the scene was fun, I was all "Yeaaaaaah, Turn 9 payback !"

But the point seems really to shows her as the bad villain in this scene, seriously, it was totally strange.

Anyway, their fight was awesome, Kallen was totally badass, killing all those soldiers and avoiding to blown up CC. Finally Taniguchi like cliché, huh ? two girls fighting over the same guy, tsssk.

An other good moment was the pwn by Gino to the Shinkirou...

When I think about this, this episode was full of lols.

I don't even know what rate I could give to this...it was good but bad in the same time; Kallen's hangar scene, Guilford's survival (WTF ? His death was awesome, what was the point to bring him back like this ?),The lance of Longinus scene (Seriously...Please. Seriously -_-'), Lelouch and CC's talk about how to his ZR he could be able to kill Nunally (how crazy of you Lelouch...), Schneizel's defeat, Kanon's face (....)

And to the good, Kallen, this badass girl, during her fight under CC and her soldiers, when she is coming to face Suzaku; Kallen's and CC's talks, Lelouch who is owned by Tristan Twin, Suzaku/Todou/Xingke fight, Nunally's moment (when she is all "nooo I must stop Onii sama" and suddenly...) Nunally's eyes, Lelouch and Nina talk...

Too much WTF still. Why Guilford and this freakin lance...-_-

Pokeu : Ohh yes, Shirley loves him most, Noo it's Kallen, but nooo it's CC...
...Kallen is a fighter. She will not let her feelings interfere with her mission (and still, this sudden close up on lelouch's face in her Guren...she would have never been able to kill him), Shirley was a girl totally in love who didn't have on her shoulders her country and friends dreams.

It's not really the same situation, and add to this the fact that Shirley didn't saw Lelouch playing his biggest super vilain part, like Kallen saw.
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Old 2008-09-22, 04:55   Link #1006
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Which just proves that Kallen X Lelouch will never make it, because its doomed to failure.

And it also reinforces the point of Shirley > Kallen in loving Lelouch too.

Furthermore, they have done that much better with Suzaku, so obviously, you should have a little respect for others getting that sort of argument ... LOOOOONG before you even said anything about X men n frens.

Now Kallen and Lelouch on the other hand.... is like... plain rubbish... no drama, not hesitation, no cornering and showing little signs of trust and hope.... instead... its all out "Throwing their love of each other out the door for the sake of humanity, chivalry, the greater good."

She tore into the loading bay, screamed of his insanity and proceeds to give him the big one.

Which goes to show once again... if you really like to put it that way... a lousy copy of BatmanXCatwoman...
It will work out because this series has an end and comic books will never have them. They go on perpetually.


Batman x Catwoman or Batman x Talia would work if Batman were to END or Bruce Wayne would have a canon ending to his adventures.

A relationship that works out that is similar to this kind of relationship is the one with Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade. But that is because Star Wars follows a timeline. Luke and Mara got married even though Mara was once Palpatine's apprentice and tried to kill Skywalker. Mortal enemies get married.
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Old 2008-09-22, 04:59   Link #1007
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When he mentioned that some could not go ahead with his plan to Cornelia... he was talking about Nina. He knows how to read people. Nina defected.

He would have anticipated that Lelouch would have gone after FlEIA's creator. He knows of Nina's abilities. He could have anticipated that such a device might be created.

Remember... Schneizel doesn't care if he wins or loses any match. For him victory is just about winning a game or a war. He always has several backup plans already worked out. He prepares for more than one outcome.

He probably formulated a plan where most possible outcomes end up in a personal victory for himself. No matter what happens... something positive will occur. Either Lelouch dies or he learns something. He doesn't care which plan succeeds... just that one does.
Ok, you are right, he has no ambitions for the future, he'd rather keep a status quo with what people 'wants'. He managed to 'read' into Nina's subsequent sucess on the creation of the tools required for the countermeasure... and some how managed to figure out that Lelouch should be able to accomplish an impossiblity.

He most probably read into it that Lelouch would be able to geass him and stop the self destruct sequence of the Damocles.

In truth, when the ideas start moving into the concrete, the last few moves never play out that way.

If thats the case, Prince Schneizel is ALWAYS RIGHT...

Which means, even if he did managed to kill off Lelouch, sacrifice Nunnaly, dominate the world... he would have been right anyway. Which brings us to this, he makes no sense.

If you're right one way or another, whether things go absolutely haywire... there is only one thing you can be.... GOD...
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Old 2008-09-22, 05:12   Link #1008
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Ok, you are right, he has no ambitions for the future, he'd rather keep a status quo with what people 'wants'. He managed to 'read' into Nina's subsequent sucess on the creation of the tools required for the countermeasure... and some how managed to figure out that Lelouch should be able to accomplish an impossiblity.

He most probably read into it that Lelouch would be able to geass him and stop the self destruct sequence of the Damocles.

In truth, when the ideas start moving into the concrete, the last few moves never play out that way.

If thats the case, Prince Schneizel is ALWAYS RIGHT...

Which means, even if he did managed to kill off Lelouch, sacrifice Nunnaly, dominate the world... he would have been right anyway. Which brings us to this, he makes no sense.

If you're right one way or another, whether things go absolutely haywire... there is only one thing you can be.... GOD...
He's just the ultimate accomplished flake. That which has no life can not be killed and that which has no desire can not be beaten.

It's someone who wants to ge to a certain point but doesn't care when or how he gets there. Just wants to get there... doesn't care how.


Type of person who would rent a car, buy a train ticket, buy airplane ticket, buy a bus ticket, but a train ticket, buy a boat ticket... then just let events during the day pick which way he gets there. He doesn't care about comfort... just wants to get somewhere... doesn't care how.

If car has a flat tire, he can take the train. If train is not working, take the bus. If he misses the buss, he can take a boat. If he misses the boat, he can take the plane. If he misses all of them, he can try again tomorrow. He doesn't care.

His comments about possibly not "winning." Doesn't care... there is always tomorrow... there will be another faction who will want to build a copy of the damocles and build more fleia bombs.

And he was lying to his subordinates to get them to follow him on his plan. Cornelia tells the viewer that Schneizel is acting. He is conning everyone. He has no intention of carrying out any sort of wold domination. It's all a farce. He is wearing a mask. He doesn't want to rule the world or to establish world peace.

Lelouch still think his way is the best for all man. Lelouch thinks Schneizel wants the world as it is. Schneizel is making the case for free will. Nunnally is also making that same case. Her will broke free of geass. Lelouch is truly her enemy. Lelouch says he fights for those who want a future but he is someone who takes away free will.

I think Lelouch will geass Nunnally but Nunnally will resist. She will press the button and nothing will happen. When she presses the button, Lelouch will understand.
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Old 2008-09-22, 05:15   Link #1009
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It will work out because this series has an end and comic books will never have them. They go on perpetually.


Batman x Catwoman or Batman x Talia would work if Batman were to END or Bruce Wayne would have a canon ending to his adventures.

A relationship that works out that is similar to this kind of relationship is the one with Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade. But that is because Star Wars follows a timeline. Luke and Mara got married even though Mara was once Palpatine's apprentice and tried to kill Skywalker. Mortal enemies get married.
Sounds like a story only ends when Kallen X Lelouch happens. So if it doesn't, it hasn't ended.

Ok, interesting argument. You may be right, its like the Euphemia thing right? An island... or some other plot device, some how manages to get Kalulu working...

But that is .... wow... one helluva long shot to pull. So if we look at possibilities, yes you are right, it is POSSIBLE... it can happen if the story somehow warped that way. But to quote... "It WILL work out"... now... here is where things start getting funny. It becomes less objevtive, it becomes.... "IT MUST... happen"...

Its like... some how Titanic never ended... its like how all those stories where the Hero and Heroine somehow manages to get together that it hasn't ended. It ... MUST... end with marraige with the enemy. Its like... Xing Ke and Tian Zi being together was because they started off as mortal enemies, Xing Ke having to kill Tian Zi.. (did that ever Happen this way? hmm you 'must' have read it so)

Its as if C.C. and Lelouch 'Must' not work out, or CG would not end.

To tell you the truth, most stories don't end with Hero and Arch Nemesis or whatever along the lines, just that some do if they characters are really meant for each other. In this case... we've got better pairings... did I fail to mention Shirley?

SOOOOOoooooo oo o ooo oo...

Yes you are right, there is a possibility of it happening that Kalulu somehow happens and the show ends. Ironically, as much as anyone would love to admit it... nobody knows for sure what might happen... but we all know who's best for who.
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Old 2008-09-22, 05:22   Link #1010
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To be honest, I've hated the past few episodes of Code Geass.

They've felt rushed. I wish they recieved an OK for a 3rd season, like, halfway into this season. That would have guarenteed a more fitting ending for everybody. Ultimately, I would have wished for R2 to end with maybe Lelouch becoming Emp. That pacing would have been -much- better.

And ultimately, as much as I love CC, I have a big weakness for Kallen. And I felt there was no reason to discard her from Lelouch. I also thought that her being so willing to turn on Lelouch was ridiculous as well. It's all just... unfitting.

Maybe it's because I wanted a harem ending for Lelouch.
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Old 2008-09-22, 05:24   Link #1011
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Gave the EP a 9/10. If it wasn't for Guilford&Cornelia surviving what looked like certain death(admittedly we didn't see them die) and the fact that even though Lelouch is now confirmed as a good guy hes pushing for a bad end i would've gave it a 10.

Oh and Kallens devolpment has been wasted this season. Hesitate to kill Lelouch because she loves him? NAWWW no hesitation, no tension, no drama AT ALL WTF.

The only thing that stopped me from taking a point off for that was because i can help but laugh at the fact Kallen interrupted C.C. and Lelouch. It seems like the dreaded interruption strikes any female who tries to get closer to Lelouch.
That was made perfectly clear when Kallen found out that she loved Lelouch but joined the Black Knights anyway.

Kallen cares more about justice than Lelouch, in this case she sees Lelouch as an enemy to Japan so she decides to stop him.

Could Kallen figure out what Lelouch has planned? Considering no one here knows what Lelouch has planned how could she.? We can only guess, and most of us have been wrong so far.
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Old 2008-09-22, 05:26   Link #1012
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Sounds like a story only ends when Kallen X Lelouch happens. So if it doesn't, it hasn't ended.

Ok, interesting argument. You may be right, its like the Euphemia thing right? An island... or some other plot device, some how manages to get Kalulu working...

But that is .... wow... one helluva long shot to pull. So if we look at possibilities, yes you are right, it is POSSIBLE... it can happen if the story somehow warped that way. But to quote... "It WILL work out"... now... here is where things start getting funny. It becomes less objevtive, it becomes.... "IT MUST... happen"...

Its like... some how Titanic never ended... its like how all those stories where the Hero and Heroine somehow manages to get together that it hasn't ended. It ... MUST... end with marraige with the enemy. Its like... Xing Ke and Tian Zi being together was because they started off as mortal enemies, Xing Ke having to kill Tian Zi.. (did that ever Happen this way? hmm you 'must' have read it so)

Its as if C.C. and Lelouch 'Must' not work out, or CG would not end.

To tell you the truth, most stories don't end with Hero and Arch Nemesis or whatever along the lines, just that some do if they characters are really meant for each other. In this case... we've got better pairings... did I fail to mention Shirley?

SOOOOOoooooo oo o ooo oo...

Yes you are right, there is a possibility of it happening that Kalulu somehow happens and the show ends. Ironically, as much as anyone would love to admit it... nobody knows for sure what might happen... but we all know who's best for who.
To quote myself... because i saw a POTENTIAL flaw in my arguments...


Now remember the focus here, the points I raised are...

1. Kalulu is doomed to fail.

as for the rest, I personally side with a C.C.xLelouch ending, but thats for the story writers to make it happen.

So... why is Kalulu bound for the pits of hell?

Simple, because the greater good > their love for each other.

Complex, because Kallen doesn't have enough faith in what Lelouch is doing, that he can tell right from wrong as well as she does.

Very complex, because they just don't match, personality wise.
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To quote myself... because i saw a POTENTIAL flaw in my arguments...


Now remember the focus here, the points I raised are...

1. Kalulu is doomed to fail.

as for the rest, I personally side with a C.C.xLelouch ending, but thats for the story writers to make it happen.

So... why is Kalulu bound for the pits of hell?

Simple, because the greater good > their love for each other.

Complex, because Kallen doesn't have enough faith in what Lelouch is doing, that he can tell right from wrong as well as she does.

Very complex, because they just don't match, personality wise.
should she
at this point after all the shit he's done
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To be honest, I've hated the past few episodes of Code Geass.

They've felt rushed. I wish they recieved an OK for a 3rd season, like, halfway into this season. That would have guarenteed a more fitting ending for everybody. Ultimately, I would have wished for R2 to end with maybe Lelouch becoming Emp. That pacing would have been -much- better.

And ultimately, as much as I love CC, I have a big weakness for Kallen. And I felt there was no reason to discard her from Lelouch. I also thought that her being so willing to turn on Lelouch was ridiculous as well. It's all just... unfitting.

Maybe it's because I wanted a harem ending for Lelouch.
There is material for a third season. An unexpected entity could crash the party.

Nothing about the code, geass, immortals, thought elevators, etc has been answered. The entity behind those ruins, the vision of those girls from the first episode.

A third season? That would interesting with what has happened.


I don't think there is time to go over the origins of this power. Also, the show has been vague about the existence of other code holders and geass users. CC has never claimed to be the only one or the last. Neither did VV claim such.

We also got no answers about how exactly CC ended up in China or with Mao.

12 code holders in capes may teleport in for all we know.
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To quote myself... because i saw a POTENTIAL flaw in my arguments...


Now remember the focus here, the points I raised are...

1. Kalulu is doomed to fail.

as for the rest, I personally side with a C.C.xLelouch ending, but thats for the story writers to make it happen.

So... why is Kalulu bound for the pits of hell?

Simple, because the greater good > their love for each other.

Complex, because Kallen doesn't have enough faith in what Lelouch is doing, that he can tell right from wrong as well as she does.

Very complex, because they just don't match, personality wise.

It does work. Lelouch and Kallen would have a moment of enlightenment and finally understand each other completely... like after the war is over or after some big melodramatic moment.
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The end begins here.

Hello after i watched TURN 24 my thought was:-

1. Karen just took out C.C. . I hope C.C. survived in the final episode.

2. See you in Hell, Diethard!

3. Nunally's eyes opened!! god, i'm so shocked to saw that.

4. I'm afraid lelouch's geass command thing won't last long on sheizel. I mean this could be a bad ending for lelouch.

5. Same as Suzaku. Karen gets the final showdown in the final episode.

6. What was exactly that 'Zero Requiem' all about?


And what's up with the final episode preview where it shows some flashback from the first season? I just don't want this episode as a kinda recap.

The end Begins here this sunday to me. Re means Requiem after all.
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Hmm... I've got this lil thing going for kalulu fans... but its not gona look that great.

Kallen manages to force Suzaku into running away by attempting somethng scuicidal withing the blast radius of a FLEIJA, she some how manages to walk in.. but eaves drop on the dialogue between Lelouch and Nunnaly... hears the whole plan... .... and...

a) Rushes up to Lelouch and embraces him... proceeding to profit.
b) Is overwhelmed by the guilt of forcing Lelouch to fight this war with all the FLEIJA's and crap... and proceeds to end her life with him in a.... double KO... FLEIJA explosion or something else...
c) Is overwhelmed by the guilt and immense emotions welling up inside of herself... "DAMN MYSELF!!!" and proceeds to commit sepukku and dies in his arms... (ok not enough time for the drama to unfold.. maybe)
d) Had already set Lelouch up the bomb and attempts to right her actions... in the process sending Lelouch and Nunnaly to saftely... but sacrificing herself somehow.
e) ?????? PROFIT!!
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Hmm... I've got this lil thing going for kalulu fans... but its not gona look that great.

Kallen manages to force Suzaku into running away by attempting somethng scuicidal withing the blast radius of a FLEIJA, she some how manages to walk in.. but eaves drop on the dialogue between Lelouch and Nunnaly... hears the whole plan... .... and...

a) Rushes up to Lelouch and embraces him... proceeding to profit.
b) Is overwhelmed by the guilt of forcing Lelouch to fight this war with all the FLEIJA's and crap... and proceeds to end her life with him in a.... double KO... FLEIJA explosion or something else...
c) Is overwhelmed by the guilt and immense emotions welling up inside of herself... "DAMN MYSELF!!!" and proceeds to commit sepukku and dies in his arms... (ok not enough time for the drama to unfold.. maybe)
d) Had already set Lelouch up the bomb and attempts to right her actions... in the process sending Lelouch and Nunnaly to saftely... but sacrificing herself somehow.
e) ?????? PROFIT!!

or.....
kallen beats suzaku (making him eject) then gets to the garden on the roof where they are talking with the guren
prevents lelouch the options of either
a)running away
b)taking the remote by force form nunnaly
c)using his geass
d)lying to both of them about his actions (since nunnaly can detect lies)

lelouch has to tell both of them the absulot truth about what ever his plan is
and if kallen wants to ask "why didnt you let me in on the plan" (perfect spot for the gum line)
if the reasons are good enough she gets them both off the damocles
if not then she saves nunnaly and leaves lelouch there (the lyrics of her song, living on with his part of life)
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Old 2008-09-22, 07:13   Link #1019
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Mwahahahahahahahaha !
That's what CC gets to have interrupted the hottest scene in CG ever (aka the Tabasco scene :P)
She took her time but she get her revenge :P

Seriously, the scene was fun, I was all "Yeaaaaaah, Turn 9 payback !"

But the point seems really to shows her as the bad villain in this scene, seriously, it was totally strange.

Anyway, their fight was awesome, Kallen was totally badass, killing all those soldiers and avoiding to blown up CC. Finally Taniguchi like cliché, huh ? two girls fighting over the same guy, tsssk.

An other good moment was the pwn by Gino to the Shinkirou...

When I think about this, this episode was full of lols.

I don't even know what rate I could give to this...it was good but bad in the same time; Kallen's hangar scene, Guilford's survival (WTF ? His death was awesome, what was the point to bring him back like this ?),The lance of Longinus scene (Seriously...Please. Seriously -_-'), Lelouch and CC's talk about how to his ZR he could be able to kill Nunally (how crazy of you Lelouch...), Schneizel's defeat, Kanon's face (....)

And to the good, Kallen, this badass girl, during her fight under CC and her soldiers, when she is coming to face Suzaku; Kallen's and CC's talks, Lelouch who is owned by Tristan Twin, Suzaku/Todou/Xingke fight, Nunally's moment (when she is all "nooo I must stop Onii sama" and suddenly...) Nunally's eyes, Lelouch and Nina talk...

Too much WTF still. Why Guilford and this freakin lance...-_-

Pokeu : Ohh yes, Shirley loves him most, Noo it's Kallen, but nooo it's CC...
...Kallen is a fighter. She will not let her feelings interfere with her mission (and still, this sudden close up on lelouch's face in her Guren...she would have never been able to kill him), Shirley was a girl totally in love who didn't have on her shoulders her country and friends dreams.
Those are just excuses. The point is, when push came to shove, Kallen didn't believe in Lelouch. If she did, she'd have fought the whole world for him. Shirley did. That's all there is to it.

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It's not really the same situation, and add to this the fact that Shirley didn't saw Lelouch playing his biggest super vilain part, like Kallen saw.
Compare: Lelouch took Kallen's little group of losers and made them one of the most powerful organizations in the world, liberating her beloved country in the process. OTOH, Lelouch killed Shirley's father and messed with her memories. And still, to the end, Shirley wanted to help and protect him, while Kallen now wants to destroy him.
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Those are just excuses. The point is, when push came to shove, Kallen didn't believe in Lelouch. If she did, she'd have fought the whole world for him. Shirley did. That's all there is to it..
she has no reason to belive in him at this point
and neither do you if you heard that he told C.C he's willing to kill nunnaly for the plan

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Compare: Lelouch took Kallen's little group of losers and made them one of the most powerful organizations in the world, liberating her beloved country in the process. OTOH, Lelouch killed Shirley's father and messed with her memories. And still, to the end, Shirley wanted to help and protect him, while Kallen now wants to destroy him.
kallen wants to put down the rabbid dog that was once the man she loved
and he has given her a great deal of reasons to believe that this is the case
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