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ZGoten · 2007-07-28, 11:08

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Originally Posted by 0TaKu0

I will just lean back and enjoy the ride because Naruto Manga is going to end soon. Hehe, I said it again!

No, I don´t want the manga to end. >.<

Anyway, another topic that hasn´t been mentioned yet, I think, is Sasuke´s pursuit. Kiba has smelld Sasuke´s scent, but i´m sceptic about Naruto etc. really finding Sasuke this way. Well, right now Sasuke is asleep,^^ and even if he wasn´t he is injured anyway, so normally Hebi should stay where they are for at least two more days...but somehow I got a feeling, that something will disturb the Konoha shinobis in finding Hebi...

nustart · 2007-07-28, 11:09

OK..I am a 100% positive Tobi is NOT MADARA !! and is OBITO!!!
1. Hasn't any one ever wondered why the name tobi? I believe We've been given this hint from the beginning. T-O-B-I- O-B-I-T-O move the t to the back and add an o and you got Obito!!
2. Why a hole only exposing one eye with the sharrigan on his mask?...Because he only has one eye with the sharrigan. And if we all remember Obito had the right eye left and gave the left to Kakashi.
3. Though it is confusing, Tobi doesn't call him self Madara, he simply listed his power.

naruto89 · 2007-07-28, 11:25

@ nustart
no offence this tobi - obito similarites isnt a brand new revolutionary theory, its possibly been speculated for the past 17 million years

yes the similarites are there but its too simple to think that tobi is merely obito that survived, there will be some form of twisted answer to the speculation that the reader's will have to wait for.

but one thing that has dissapointed me about the tobi - madara thing is that its possibly pushed tobi as a main villian while i was expecting the whole tobi-obito character to be kakashi's fighter to bring the great one into the limelight, its a shame

nine_tailed_kyuubi · 2007-07-28, 11:34

Kishi is just surfing the forums to find out what people are thinking and he will do exactly the opposite, everyone said the AL is Yondaime, Madara, Konohamaru's father, Sandaime, Kabuto, Iruka or Orochimaru. Guess what everyone it is none of these charecters it is Tobi, who is Tobi ? he is Zetsu's subordinate who took Sasori's place when he was dead and the leader that we all referred to as Yoondaime or Madara turned out to be Pein lol Tobi is not Madara but he has his power, apparently they are related and he inherited his power so if Obito is related to Madara then we might assume that Tobi is actually Obito but again we don't have any evidence yet the only thing that can confuse us is that he has the sharingan in his right eye and kakashi has the sharingan in his left, also T O B I and O B I T O but Kishi turns everything we do expect into wrong lol so let's not get our hopes into it.

Mangekyo · 2007-07-28, 11:40

that is the longest sentence i've ever seen...

nustart · 2007-07-28, 11:40

Yea.. I'm not really sure where there going with the tobi story. I would of figured that if Obito ever returned the story would be drawn back to kakashi. And sorry to post something you guys have already heard, but its stupid to here people still insist that tobi is madara. Though i have no doubt that madara will show hope at some point in this story. Tobi (obito) maybe working under him or maybe trying to acheive his power who knows. Only one things clear. THE TITLE SHOULD BE CHANGED FROM NARUTO TO UCHIHA.

ZGoten · 2007-07-28, 11:45

Man man man...if Tobi is really Obito, I guess there will be a fated Kakashi - Tobi battle. But refering Tobi to be the AL means he may be up to twice as strong than Kakashi.
And Propably he hasn´t obtained his true power, yet.
But I can´t imagine Kakashi to be asskicked. Just like I can´t imagine Tobi to be converted to the "good" side by Obito.

I have a bad feeling that Kakashi will die eventually.

nustart · 2007-07-28, 11:52

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Originally Posted by nine_tailed_kyuubi

Kishi is just surfing the forums to find out what people are thinking and he will do exactly the opposite, everyone said the AL is Yondaime, Madara, Konohamaru's father, Sandaime, Kabuto, Iruka or Orochimaru. Guess what everyone it is none of these charecters it is Tobi, who is Tobi ? he is Zetsu's subordinate who took Sasori's place when he was dead and the leader that we all referred to as Yoondaime or Madara turned out to be Pein lol Tobi is not Madara but he has his power, apparently they are related and he inherited his power so if Obito is related to Madara then we might assume that Tobi is actually Obito but again we don't have any evidence yet the only thing that can confuse us is that he has the sharingan in his right eye and kakashi has the sharingan in his left, also T O B I and O B I T O but Kishi turns everything we do expect into wrong lol so let's not get our hopes into it.

yea that is true...every time we have a theory that were stuck on, he does shut it down. So i guess i should be 100% positive that tobi obito, i'll just say 80% positive.
But to be honest , i hate Sasuke, but i love the Uchiha clan..but i really don't want the story to center on them like this. I want more story on the kyubi and maybe a little more story on the other clans.

en4cr · 2007-07-28, 11:54

Yeah kishi reads these forums, and if someone stumbles upon the right answer he'd probably change whats going to happen lol... besides, What village is zetsu from? If tobi is his subordinate that must mean that obito was found half dead by either zetsu or some hidden rock/grass guys.. and was brainwashed or something to turning away from konoha.... cause the way kishi portrayed obito in the kakashi gaiden was that he was very similar to naruto and that he would never betray his village/clan.... but who knows... kishi will probably jus make up some stuff that doesnt go along with everyones theories... Maybe Tobi is Goku and he can transform into supersayian 3

and the manga aint gonna end.... kishi has a whole world of ideas he can use... like how he hasnt even mentioned some of the villages in his story lines... theres bound to be some drama with hidden rain etc..

haha wat if zetsu is stronger than tobi since hes his sub ordinate... lol the real question i reckon is whats the real relationship between Zetsu and Tobi... and Zetsu is 2 ppl in one right... so the more we learn about zetsu the more this thing will unfold

nustart · 2007-07-28, 11:59

And i also get the feeling kakashi's gonna die too. If not by Obitos hands, then maybe itachi...who knows maybe even sasuke. If that happend i wouldnt be to mad. that would finally push naruto over the edge with this sasuke thing. And he can stop crying over him and try to kick his ass...try

en4cr · 2007-07-28, 12:11

lol yeah i hope Kakashi doesnt die... he hasnt reached the level his father was yet... wud be a shame if he dies.... Should be good when kakashi meets tobi/obito and they talk for like 20 chapters, and then nothing happens.

How do you reckon Sasuke would cope against Itachi's Tsukiyomi now? hes pretty good at casting/reversing genjutsu. Cant wait till the next chapter

Sabaku Kyu · 2007-07-28, 12:13

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Originally Posted by 0Taku0

Even in terms of Tobi I wouldn’t be surprised if Kishimoto left it as is, its not like he has to explain him self why Tobi uses a mask with one eye hole, or why Tobi even uses the name Tobi

Well, that will eventually be pretty simple to determine. At some point, Tobi's mask will be removed and his face revealed. If he has one eye, he's certain to be Obito Then it will clear why he used the mask and name. If not, then he is an Uchiha never before seen and we'll have to assume that the mask and name were red herrings.

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Originally Posted by nine_tailed_kyuubi

Kishi is just surfing the forums to find out what people are thinking and he will do exactly the opposite, everyone said the AL is Yondaime, Madara, Konohamaru's father, Sandaime, Kabuto, Iruka or Orochimaru. Guess what everyone it is none of these charecters it is Tobi

He deliberately kept misleading everyone. He even went so far as to establish a false leader to keep everyone focused on trying to figure out his identity. Even those who figured there was something fishy with that focused their attention on Bluehair as the possible true leader. Nobody remotely suspected Tobi, the team retard, as the mastermind. Kishi played everyone from the beginning. People kept hitting around the target, but getting a bullseye was basically impossible.

But whether or not Tobi is the actual Madara isn't clear yet. It's not determined if he is Obito either. If it turns out he is Madara, those who guessed Madara is the leader are technically correct (but not in the way that they thought they would be)

Medalist · 2007-07-28, 12:20

Tobi probably isn't Madara but Madara has to be involved.

Suna no tate · 2007-07-28, 12:25

Well I'll be... it was tobi talking to the leader. Thats ridiculous seeing as the leader was all "easily replaceable" and etc. This whole thing is getting ridiculous. Next week's better be damn good with cause there needs to be some serious explaining done.

ZGoten · 2007-07-28, 12:28

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Originally Posted by Suna no tate

Possible its itachi behind that mask screwing around?

I don´t think so. 5mins after Deidara´s explosion, Itachi was at that Bijuu extracting place, when Pain was already speaking to Tobi.

en4cr · 2007-07-28, 12:45

mmm.. i was thinking... Itachi has never had a sinister smile on his face the way he had after killing his clan. lol theres more to my theory but its 3.45am and im going to bed

Cybrius · 2007-07-28, 13:38

I thick that tobi realy is madara, i read somewere that madara could make storms with his sharingan (becouse he inherited that power from his tengo dad)... and when tobi reveals himself as madara there was a big storm on the background...
but once again its just a tought

Icecolduchiha · 2007-07-28, 13:40

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Originally Posted by Souten no Seigyoku

Hes just talking about himself in the 3rd person. Thats to the reader know he's Madara.

Also what Payne said at the end tells me theres something more to Akatsuki than what was originally said. Something not-so-evil. Perhaps a grey area. Kinda like Sasuke is semi-evil, but only because he wants revenge. We know if he got revenge and lived, hed go good guy again.

HE was not talking in the third person that makes no sense and just sound retarded MY GOD, I can't believe you guyz didn't get what he was saying, some of you are so obsessed with madara that you heard his name being said and your immediate thought was he was talking about himself, when he said "the sharingan's power, uchiha madara's power, my power," all he was saying was that he was an uchiha thats all not that he was as powerful as madara, not that he was madara. He was talking in the same way that people could say " boy you sure have the intellect of your grandfather, or you look just like your dad ect ect ect since madara (im guessing here) was most likely the most powerful of the uchiha's in history it would seem likely that when talking of the power of the sharingan he would refer to him.....just like when the kyubi was saying to sasuke his chakra reminded him of madara, they were useing him as a reference to the ultimate power and capability of the uchihas.....so please stop with the BS theories plleeeeeeeeeease

abazou · 2007-07-28, 13:42

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Originally Posted by Cybrius

I thick that tobi realy is madara, i read somewere that madara could make storms with his sharingan (becouse he inherited that power from his tengo dad)... and when tobi reveals himself as madara there was a big storm on the background...
but once again its just a tought

I think Tobi has plans for Sasuke and thats why he didnt kill him.

afro_dan · 2007-07-28, 14:12

My interpretation of the line "The Sharingan's true power...My power...Uchiha Madara's power…" was that Tobi was not stating that he was Madara at all, but rather reiterating the same thing three times, for dramatic effect, or because Pein and BH are noobs and things need to be explained to them more than once, idk.

So basically, "the sharingan's true power", "tobi's power" and "uchiha madara's power" are all exactly the same thing, whatever that may be, MS or otherwise.

If i got it completley wrong and Tobi is Madara, then boo-sucks to the lot of you.

2007-07-28, 11:45	Link #487
ZGoten Custom User Title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Age: 34	Man man man...if Tobi is really Obito, I guess there will be a fated Kakashi - Tobi battle. But refering Tobi to be the AL means he may be up to twice as strong than Kakashi. And Propably he hasn´t obtained his true power, yet. But I can´t imagine Kakashi to be asskicked. Just like I can´t imagine Tobi to be converted to the "good" side by Obito. I have a bad feeling that Kakashi will die eventually. __________________ Truth is elusive to those who refuse to see with both eyes.

2007-07-28, 11:54	Link #489
en4cr omae yo wa yowae Join Date: Jul 2007	Yeah kishi reads these forums, and if someone stumbles upon the right answer he'd probably change whats going to happen lol... besides, What village is zetsu from? If tobi is his subordinate that must mean that obito was found half dead by either zetsu or some hidden rock/grass guys.. and was brainwashed or something to turning away from konoha.... cause the way kishi portrayed obito in the kakashi gaiden was that he was very similar to naruto and that he would never betray his village/clan.... but who knows... kishi will probably jus make up some stuff that doesnt go along with everyones theories... Maybe Tobi is Goku and he can transform into supersayian 3 and the manga aint gonna end.... kishi has a whole world of ideas he can use... like how he hasnt even mentioned some of the villages in his story lines... theres bound to be some drama with hidden rain etc.. haha wat if zetsu is stronger than tobi since hes his sub ordinate... lol the real question i reckon is whats the real relationship between Zetsu and Tobi... and Zetsu is 2 ppl in one right... so the more we learn about zetsu the more this thing will unfold Last edited by Hunter; 2007-07-29 at 07:06. Reason: do not double post

2007-07-28, 11:09	Link #482
nustart Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	OK..I am a 100% positive Tobi is NOT MADARA !! and is OBITO!!! 1. Hasn't any one ever wondered why the name tobi? I believe We've been given this hint from the beginning. T-O-B-I- O-B-I-T-O move the t to the back and add an o and you got Obito!! 2. Why a hole only exposing one eye with the sharrigan on his mask?...Because he only has one eye with the sharrigan. And if we all remember Obito had the right eye left and gave the left to Kakashi. 3. Though it is confusing, Tobi doesn't call him self Madara, he simply listed his power.

2007-07-28, 11:25	Link #483
naruto89 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007	@ nustart no offence this tobi - obito similarites isnt a brand new revolutionary theory, its possibly been speculated for the past 17 million years yes the similarites are there but its too simple to think that tobi is merely obito that survived, there will be some form of twisted answer to the speculation that the reader's will have to wait for. but one thing that has dissapointed me about the tobi - madara thing is that its possibly pushed tobi as a main villian while i was expecting the whole tobi-obito character to be kakashi's fighter to bring the great one into the limelight, its a shame

2007-07-28, 11:34	Link #484
nine_tailed_kyuubi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Kishi is just surfing the forums to find out what people are thinking and he will do exactly the opposite, everyone said the AL is Yondaime, Madara, Konohamaru's father, Sandaime, Kabuto, Iruka or Orochimaru. Guess what everyone it is none of these charecters it is Tobi, who is Tobi ? he is Zetsu's subordinate who took Sasori's place when he was dead and the leader that we all referred to as Yoondaime or Madara turned out to be Pein lol Tobi is not Madara but he has his power, apparently they are related and he inherited his power so if Obito is related to Madara then we might assume that Tobi is actually Obito but again we don't have any evidence yet the only thing that can confuse us is that he has the sharingan in his right eye and kakashi has the sharingan in his left, also T O B I and O B I T O but Kishi turns everything we do expect into wrong lol so let's not get our hopes into it.

2007-07-28, 11:40	Link #485
Mangekyo mmm...cookies Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: In the shadows.....waiting	that is the longest sentence i've ever seen...

2007-07-28, 11:40	Link #486
nustart Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	Yea.. I'm not really sure where there going with the tobi story. I would of figured that if Obito ever returned the story would be drawn back to kakashi. And sorry to post something you guys have already heard, but its stupid to here people still insist that tobi is madara. Though i have no doubt that madara will show hope at some point in this story. Tobi (obito) maybe working under him or maybe trying to acheive his power who knows. Only one things clear. THE TITLE SHOULD BE CHANGED FROM NARUTO TO UCHIHA.

2007-07-28, 11:59	Link #490
nustart Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	And i also get the feeling kakashi's gonna die too. If not by Obitos hands, then maybe itachi...who knows maybe even sasuke. If that happend i wouldnt be to mad. that would finally push naruto over the edge with this sasuke thing. And he can stop crying over him and try to kick his ass...try

2007-07-28, 12:11	Link #491
en4cr omae yo wa yowae Join Date: Jul 2007	lol yeah i hope Kakashi doesnt die... he hasnt reached the level his father was yet... wud be a shame if he dies.... Should be good when kakashi meets tobi/obito and they talk for like 20 chapters, and then nothing happens. How do you reckon Sasuke would cope against Itachi's Tsukiyomi now? hes pretty good at casting/reversing genjutsu. Cant wait till the next chapter

2007-07-28, 12:20	Link #493
Medalist Infie Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas	Tobi probably isn't Madara but Madara has to be involved.

2007-07-28, 12:25	Link #494
Suna no tate Akatsuki Bart is Tobi Join Date: Oct 2006	Well I'll be... it was tobi talking to the leader. Thats ridiculous seeing as the leader was all "easily replaceable" and etc. This whole thing is getting ridiculous. Next week's better be damn good with cause there needs to be some serious explaining done.

2007-07-28, 12:45	Link #496
en4cr omae yo wa yowae Join Date: Jul 2007	mmm.. i was thinking... Itachi has never had a sinister smile on his face the way he had after killing his clan. lol theres more to my theory but its 3.45am and im going to bed

2007-07-28, 13:38	Link #497
Cybrius Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	I thick that tobi realy is madara, i read somewere that madara could make storms with his sharingan (becouse he inherited that power from his tengo dad)... and when tobi reveals himself as madara there was a big storm on the background... but once again its just a tought

2007-07-28, 14:12	Link #500
afro_dan Filler Villain Join Date: May 2007 Location: England Age: 33	My interpretation of the line "The Sharingan's true power...My power...Uchiha Madara's power…" was that Tobi was not stating that he was Madara at all, but rather reiterating the same thing three times, for dramatic effect, or because Pein and BH are noobs and things need to be explained to them more than once, idk. So basically, "the sharingan's true power", "tobi's power" and "uchiha madara's power" are all exactly the same thing, whatever that may be, MS or otherwise. If i got it completley wrong and Tobi is Madara, then boo-sucks to the lot of you.