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If someone wants something bad enough, they will find a way to get it. The guy even told the police he had explosives in his apartment...mother of god... |
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2012-07-20, 11:07 | Link #22562 |
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Way too many instances of this end up being, "yeah, we knew he was bonkers and had the means, but our hands were tied (we were too lazy/underfunded/idiotic) to actually *do* anything.
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2012-07-20, 11:12 | Link #22563 | ||
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I would buy that argument if the war on terror was not in full swing. |
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2012-07-20, 11:15 | Link #22564 | |
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Also, review the cases of people using automobiles as weapons of mass kills (driving through a market) and cases of a guy moving fast with a large knife through a crowd. Look, I want to know why we in the US seem so unwilling to develop effective laws and techniques for dealing with these selfish bastards. But, unlike these monsters (or most people arguing for or against), I'd prefer to use reason and science instead of emotion to figure it out.
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2012-07-20, 11:19 | Link #22565 | |
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But how many people are in those lists? What can we prove they've done? |
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2012-07-20, 11:23 | Link #22566 | |
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How is this "simple planning", or the same level of planning as getting a knife and slitting your wrist/throat, or getting some rope and hanging yourself? |
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2012-07-20, 11:25 | Link #22567 | ||||
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Aurora is nearly 30 miles from Littleton Co. Aurora is a city and county just outside Denver metro (on the eastside) while Columbine is in Jefferson County on the South West side of Denver. They are two entirely different areas in just about every way you can imagine. Aurora is a drug infested (and I don't mean pot), gangland where problems with illegal weapons have gone back for years. Largest Mass Drug Arrest In Colorado History: 500 Officers Arrest 80 Suspects, 4 Cocaine Drug Rings Busted (PHOTOS) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1266425.html So, this shooting while tragic, is not surprising like Columbine was due to where it happened. Quote:
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I worked in the gun industry as a gunsmith for 5 years, and still have many friends in the biz. Let's just say that with a few machine tools that are easily obtainable, you could mass produce simple military grade weapons such as AK-47s in very short order. Hell, there are even books on how to do it. Quote:
The police/teachers/co-workers/spouses/whoever, don't take the threats of these people seriously and then tragedy strikes. Charles Whitman told his family and friends he was going to kill people in Texas, and he did it. You'd think after that event people would have started taking these disturbed individuals seriously and tried to get them help before they committed their atrocities. Sadly, this is not a new problem.
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2012-07-20, 11:25 | Link #22568 | |||
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BTW, I do not think they are selfish bastards, they are suicidal people that hate the society that turned them into nut jobs and said society happens to sell them firearms at the corner store; if japan did the same they would have these kind of news (even with their superior police system) instead of the knife stabbings we read in the news. Quote:
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2. Kid exit door (the ones in the theater I go can be open with enough force, they are only meant to prevent people entering thru them without being noticed). 3. Open fire. I fail to see how this is some kind of genius plan. |
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2012-07-20, 11:30 | Link #22569 |
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Knives can be just as deadly.
Japanese man kills seven in Tokyo stabbing rampage http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/08/japan A determined madman is a very dangerous thing. We need to find a way to stop them BEFORE they do what they do. All the gun-control, knife-control, poison-control...hell people-control...in the world will not stop a determined wackjob once he starts. That is why it is so important to get to the person when they're talking or threatening to do these things, and stop them at that point.
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2012-07-20, 11:38 | Link #22571 |
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7 is nowhere near of 50 and I bet that if that japanese guy had had access to firearms he would no doubt have killed a lot more people, jeez, I can think of a simple KISS plan to kill MILLIONS for the cheap using half my brain, these peoples are mere nutjobs, not evil masterminds.
I do need your input on this if you may. How many ak47 or rounds of ammunition a month can YOU produce with said "few machines tools"? What price would this items have comparing them with actual market prices? Last edited by mangamuscle; 2012-07-20 at 12:01. |
2012-07-20, 12:19 | Link #22572 | ||
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There were only 10 killed in Aurora (originally reports were 12-14, now the local news is reporting 10). Last time I checked, 7 is really close to 10. Quote:
Copper, brass, and primer material are plentiful and not difficult to make. Smokeless powder is also easy to produce (though dangerous) using fertilizers [mostly dried and distilled chicken feces for the nitrates]. I will not post anywhere the actual formula, so don't ask as it can be construed as being intent to commit an illegal act. Therefore, special machinery isn't needed to make weapons or ammunition. The reason I know all of this is because during the 1990s the BATF was finding SKS and AR rifles without serial numbers here in CO. They were asking FFL holders about it and warning us to turn said weapons and ammo over to them if they came into our shops. The reason these weapons had no serial numbers (anywhere, not even on the barrels) was because someone was manufacturing them illegally. And locally made ammo can still be gotten for a very reasonable price, if you know the right people.
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2012-07-20, 12:38 | Link #22574 |
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Well, as it turns out, an internet friend of mine from another forum had a niece who happened to be at the scene of the shooting. She is counted as one of the dead.
My very sincere condolences to those who lost their loved ones. Endless "..." Soul
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2012-07-20, 12:44 | Link #22575 | |
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My bet is the number will dramatically climb by the end of the week.
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2012-07-20, 12:52 | Link #22576 |
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I've been looking all morning to see what kinds of guns this nutcase used.
I have finally found them: Authorities recovered four guns -- a rifle similar to an AR-15, a shotgun and two Glock handguns, a senior official with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms familiar with the investigation told CNN Just by looking at that and knowing this shooting was happening in a smoke filled, dark room (the theater), I can say that the weapon that probably killed the most people was the shotgun. It fires a spray and has the most chance of hitting. The AR would be all but useless under those conditions.
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2012-07-20, 12:56 | Link #22577 | ||
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For AKs, it depends on whether we are talking about the sheetmetal receiver type or milled receiver type. The sheetmetal types can be made a 2-4 per month depending on what kinds of machines used. If a CNC machine is available, then that number could be tripled. However, I think it would be much easier for criminals to obtain their weapons from the government (like they do here in the US and they do in Mexico) through corrupt politicians, military personnel, and the police.
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2012-07-20, 13:03 | Link #22578 |
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Update from Channel 9 news Colorado
Chief Dan Oats (Aurora police) said only one Glock pistol was used the other was left behind in the car. He also said that only one AR round injured one person in an adjoining theater, and while they do not have any ballistics yet, the majority of injuries are from shotgun pellets. They do not know how many rounds he fired from his Remington 870 shotgun, but they suspect it was many. The new official numbers are now, 10 dead on scene, 2 dead in the hospital, and 71 injured. Shotguns are what Eric Harris and Dylan Kleebold used at Columbine, they seem to be the most consistant weapon of choice for these nutjobs.
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2012-07-20, 13:10 | Link #22580 | ||
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Does gun make it easier to kill people? yes. Will banning them fix the problem? not in your wildest dreams. 'cause they tend not to have the training to effectively use precision weapons, thus shotguns becomes the weapon of choice. |
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