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The lack of diversity in the manga format is more surprising because the manga format generates stuff like (as you yourself pointed out) Wandering Son.
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2013-01-08, 14:47 | Link #42 | |
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2013-01-08, 16:15 | Link #44 |
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It refers to lesbian relationships between schoolgirls that were - and maybe still are, it's hard to tell how much traction the idea has these days - seen as practice for straight relationships. Historically, it would be associated with 1920s when all girls schools (followed by an arranged marriage) were common in Japan and certain literature of that period. Given the period, I'd speculate they were scared shitless they'd experiment with guys instead.
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2013-01-09, 02:57 | Link #45 | |
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...depends on how you define porn. Most eroge have pornographic scenes in them, but I wouldn't call the whole thing porn.
Of course, I do have a bit of a suspicion that this question is purely trolling (still an interesting convo, but just a hunch..) Quote:
...er, I'll show myself out now.
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2013-01-09, 17:15 | Link #46 |
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It seems people call any visual novel with a sex scene eroge. This does not make sense: would you call any movie with a sex scene an erotic film?
If the eroge you are playing does not have lots of porn in it then you are playing the wrong eroge! |
2013-01-09, 17:38 | Link #47 | |
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Movies with a sex scene instantly becomes a 18+(or whatever the legal age) movie, even if it isn't a full fledged erotic/porn film. Eroges are similar to that, they're games that contain 18+ materials, even if they're NOT just simple mindless porn (though like I've also said, a lot of the time they are ).
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2013-01-09, 17:45 | Link #48 | |
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2013-01-09, 20:50 | Link #49 | |
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But I mean even in eroge with the least sexual content (games with maybe one or two scenes per route), each scene is still usually 15-20 minutes (if you listen to all the audio) and contains explicit dialogue and visuals (even if mosaic'ed). Now of course, these scenes may be in the context of a 15-20 hour route, so you could say that proportionally it's no different from the short snippet in a movie. But still, these scenes go much further than what you would see in those movies. So basically, an eroge is just any adults-only game with sexual content. As soon as they add one scene that goes over the line, it needs the 18+ sticker. If they eliminate that one scene, they can sell it as "all-ages" (likely rated E-15 or whatever, but these are more voluntary). This is why there are a lot of games, anime, manga and so on that try to get as close to the line as they can without crossing it, and those that do cross it tend to go further than just one scene (because at that point, you might as well take advantage of it).
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2013-01-10, 09:01 | Link #50 | |
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-------- Just to give my wild opinion. If we're talking about all eroge here, then that includes the ones that have a really deep, and possibly realistic story. Lets just say games like that are 24hrs long (same as a day). It has maybe one or two erotic scenes, lasting maybe a total of 20-40mins. If an eroge is considered porn just because there is a few minutes of sexual content out of a 24 hour game, then real life itself is nothing but a porno. |
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2013-01-10, 09:35 | Link #52 | |
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Eroge is an eroge, it just means it is a game that contains (explicit) 18+ material, doesn't mean it's just mindless porn. The mindless porn you're talking about though, certainly exists as a subset or a genre of eroges, dubbed "nukige".
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I think most people understand that eroge is the big category that includes everything (Game + Ero), and it includes various subsets that exist on all points along the spectrum. Quote:
I all depends on your definitions, in the end. As fair warning to everyone, I think this thread is probably going to be locked soon, as it was a troll thread in the first place.
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2013-01-10, 10:00 | Link #56 | |
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Can I ask for a link to said thread perhaps, for reference. I'm beginning to think that maybe my interpretation of the word doesn't really click with most people.
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2013-01-10, 10:16 | Link #57 | |
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2013-01-10, 10:56 | Link #58 | |
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Eroge is what you call this genre. I tell you, in Japan, mention VN or ビジュアルノベル, not everyone knows what you are saying. Eroge OTOH, everyone understands what you mean, and they don't think nukige eitther but rather Key stuff or other more famous ones
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2013-01-10, 13:27 | Link #59 |
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Going by the dictionary, games with erotic scenes that cause sexual excitement are definitely pornographic. By that definition, a lot of popular books could be considered porn.
However, a lot of people think of "porn" to be something with little to no story beyond explicit sex scenes. They might not take it kindly if you call their "brilliant, work of art" visual novel to be porn, even though that same VN was marketed as an eroge. I'm not exactly exempt from that crowd either, since the sex scenes in the eroge VNs that I have played are far from the most interesting or entertaining parts. In fact, a lot of those sex scenes were rather disappointing, because many of them were badly written, featured poor art, and felt too much alike. I feel that with the huge emphasis on characters and story that many eroge I've played have, it would be a huge exaggeration to say that they are only good for porn. There are some eroge that only feature sex (they are called "nukige" by fans), but they don't make up the entire market. Frankly, your question is quite silly in that it gives us an extreme argument that can be answered objectively; it's like asking "are all Hollywood movies crime thrillers?" or "are all Disney animated films about princesses"? Your poll is pretty much a loaded question in which I have no choice but to answer truthfully. |
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So... basically all the common definitions are flawed in some way.
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