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there are a Pure Energy Systems wiki page about them here
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2012-09-16, 01:16 | Link #64 | |
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2012-09-16, 01:33 | Link #65 |
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Frankly, I am just about willing to ignore claims like these.
The fact is he is claiming several innovations of which each one independently would have been worthy of a Nobel prize. The fact that he doesn't focus on one claim at a time tells me he is trying to dazzle the audience, which is the classic magician's trick. Further, the promotional efforts suggest that he isn't ignorant, but being deliberately misleading. Hence, fraud. I have seen poor fools who have been brainwashed by the likes of him too many times. People who were convinced that you can create energy from nothing by electrolysing water, or that fossil fuels are self-regenerating faster than we can suck them out of the ground. I don't care for revolutions. Just give me one invention to show that he means business.
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2012-09-16, 07:09 | Link #66 |
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^Exactly, how could he claim that he understand everything about black hole, while Hawking even after many years still couldn't figure out. And the lack of math equation in his publication kinda strange, mostly it's only like experiments.
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2012-09-16, 08:01 | Link #67 | |
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By all means, have revolutionary ideas and theories; but don't try to "sell" it to the general public to whom it means nothing at all. He is acting like a snakeoil salesman, and as such I can only see him as selling snakeoil.
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2012-09-16, 09:16 | Link #68 | |
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2012-09-16, 10:22 | Link #69 | |
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Scientific discoveries doesn't pop up by someone saying "Surprise! All the established laws of physics are wrong and that's why my inventions will work!" As I said before, if you could even prove any ONE of these claims you would be on the Nobel Prize short list. This is about as logical as receiving a letter from a Nigerian prince. It's not "too good to be true" because discoveries doesn't work like that. There is nothing "good" about any of it.
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2012-09-16, 10:45 | Link #70 | ||
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I am not defending his scientific claims, but his courage and willingness to attract as much attention as possible from the public and the scientific community. He has even created a public center for people to go to... for Gods sake... The guy wants attention, not just fat nerds who dwell in their mothers basements. The guy wants the world's attention. But why? Quote:
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2012-09-16, 10:55 | Link #71 | |
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There are already existing communities where real tech advances can be scrutinised. The only reason he created his own public center is to avoid being examined closely by experts. He is a fraud because a real inventor doesn't do this.
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2012-09-16, 10:59 | Link #72 | ||
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I know we can be painful nitpickers when it comes to our respective domains of profession, but please be gentle on my part here. I am not a phycisist and I am not always able to accurately explain my thought experiments. You are welcome to correct all these mistakes. I just needed a force that can pull on every atom of the traveller at the same time to compensate the propelling force/mechanical force and the stresses/forces in the traveler stemming from inertia. Controlled gravity in my oppinion seemed like the best way to do it. Inertia for a human traveler is only a problem because the forces do not apply equally over all his mass/body. Lets say if the human was sitting in a chair, then the force that accelerates the ship would be transfered using a complicated chain-reaction (on atomic level) of impulses. While the humans back is forced to accelerate inertia applies a force in opposit direction. The actual problem is that the human body does not lineary relay these forces in its atomic structure. Instead it scatters, making the body flatten out. If the force vectors on each atom were identical, it would not cause that flattening out. So if instead of a chair, a gravitational field was pulling the human along with the ship, you would have solved the problem of inertia causing a flattening/crushing of the human body.
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2012-09-16, 12:28 | Link #73 |
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Aight, the wording of "forces stemming from inertia" is still going to bother me but I'll avoid nitpicking on that too much.
Generating an extremely powerful, localized, uniform gravitational field means rewriting most of Einstein and all of quantum mechanics. Such a field does not exist in nature, even near extremely massive objects such as black holes (the force gradient would tear your body apart). An infinitely long (or sufficiently long) massive slab might approximate a powerful uniform field, but it would not be localized (and also does not exist in nature). If I take for granted that such a field is impossible, then that's why. However, I'll take you up on your hypothetical. If it were possible to create a tunnel of uniform high magnitude gravitational field then you are right, a passenger travelling in it would experience free fall and have no sensation of acceleration at all. Now what happens when this field tunnel is "turned on"? A discontinuous off/on is going to generate a divergent amount of jerk (the derivative of acceleration) which would be a safety concern for roller coasters and the like (higher derivatives of position are rarely important). Would that be dangerous in this uniform field tunnel? Maybe, maybe not. There's no empirical data for this stuff because we simply can't duplicate it. There is a lot that would be possible "if", but sometimes the "if" is just too hard to swallow. If Keshe could break a few hundred laws of our current understanding of physics, then yes, he could do all the things he claims in the video, but considering that more or less anything is possible under that "if", it's a bit silly to speculate.
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2012-09-16, 12:52 | Link #75 | |
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As a published SF writer I like reading about these new ideas. Do I think it is workable? Not by our Type-0 civilization. I think its a nice concept and it may have merit when (and if) we make it into the Type-1 class as a civilization, but right now I think it is more SF than science. Thanks again though, I will read through their website and see if I can use any of their hypotheses for my work.
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2012-09-16, 13:51 | Link #77 |
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It's just too obvious of a fraud. They claim to have had the co-operation of "hundreds of scientists around the world and several goverments" to help develop the technology, yet all they have to show for it is a soddy video with nails in a coke bottle.
Not only you can buy his books but also book a space flight on a flying saucer in 2014 for 20,000€, and pre-order a magic energy generator for 5,000€. Yeah...
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2012-09-16, 14:04 | Link #78 | |
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2012-09-16, 16:57 | Link #79 | |
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I found me a real doozy digging around the net:
This is an extract from http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/me...e-axes-of-evil Keshe Foundation sends warning to the US and its associates Quote:
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2012-09-16, 17:06 | Link #80 | |
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Enough with conjecture. He is trying to trick people into buying his garbage products. And you are HELPING him.
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