Kuroko no Basuke [Manga]

[Tsukou]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

178 is out.

Those who speculated that Akashi can...

Spoiler for it's out anyway:

see the future

got it right.

Spoiler:

Seeing the future is more for dramatic effect I feel like. His power of anyone I can remember is like a mix between Agon and Akaba from Eyeshield 21. Or you could use Hajime no Ippo's Itagaki who's probably a better match. He just has super reaction time, matched with extraordinary dynamic visual acuity. Thinking about it Itagaki is definitely the best comparison. (I used Akaba tho because like what he did with Kagami, he probably just pushed down as his center of gravity shifted)

Akashi's ability to see the future is more like he's practiced staring at people's muscles and how they work for long periods of time, to the point where he can tell which direction someone's going to move by looking at their position. It's hard to forcibly change direction, and requires a great deal of agility, which is why I think Aomine is probably best suited to go against him, because even if Akashi can "see the future", Aomine should be able to change what he does, fast enough where Akashi can't steal the ball like he does against Midorima, who is probably the easiest for Akashi to go against.

Fortunately tho, unlike seeing the future, he should only be able to react to what he sees, so I think we can see why Kuroko could possibly be a threat. Similar to how Agon got defeated by being hit from his blindspot, Akashi isn't omniscient, or at least not yet.. But his super reaction times isn't something unheard of. I still think that Aomnie's agility is definitely a stronger weapon (but unfortunately the author never seemed to make use of it, because Kagami was able to keep up with Aomnie, which unless they had the same top speed..), because there are limits to what you can do with good eyesight alone. Tho this is speaking from a realistic standpoint, obviously Akashi is given a bit of super speed as well.

[Nightengale]

Yeah, I said what I said for the dramatic effect of it anyway.

Pretty much every ability of the GoM undergo a dilution effect anyway to 'somewhat explain the logic or to balance the overpoweredness' of their abilities. The big question is always in what direction does the dilution go.

Your Eyeshield comparisons are apt, but it seems like they're more in line of the 'application' of the eye technique, in that because of the 'Eye', Akashi is able to casually use center-gravity shifting techniques or act as if he has god-impulse. ( since he reacts before the action occurs ) There's probably more to the application side as well, given his foreboding words towards Kuroko.

[Awrya]

180 is out.
Entertaining to read, but afterwards it left me with a 'Are you for real' feeling

[Awrya]

190 is out.

The shot probably follows the same principle as the Phantom Drive, with Kagami focusing the opponents gaze on himself for a moment?

[Aesthetic Shampoo]

I feel sorry for Kise. He was the first of the Generation of miracles to be introduced so he's destined to always lose the significant matches...first match with Kagami, then with Aomine, and now with Kagami again.

[aohige]

http://www.jumpfesta.com/20121122.html
All Kuroko no Basket events in Jump Fest 2013 has been cancelled, as they recieved death threats.

The death-threat suspect has been sending lethal chemicals to Kuroko events around the nation, and this is the latest case. Shuueisha isn't going to take chances, and cancelled the stage play, booth, and all other Kuroko showings. They are also bringing heavy security to the upcoming Jump Fest.

[frivolity]

I knew Seirin would win here to set up their first match against Akashi. Still, the Superman-Dunk-to-Phantom-Shot combo was epic.

[judasmartel]

Okay, so what KnB moves exactly are POSSIBLE in real life, and who pulls that off on a REGULAR BASIS? I know misdirection is one, NBA PG's do that on a regular basis, but you just don't literally disappear in front of everyone on the court. You're still there, they just don't see you, so misdirection can be rendered useless if somebody marks Kuroko.

Somebody here explained that Midorima's full-court 3 is possible with enough practice but it's impractical to use on a regular basis in the NBA because of its hideous accuracy and opposing teams can just use full-court man-to-man defense, making it useless. But I still don't buy it.

Also, I don't really understand how people make a big deal about PoT having crazy ridiculous moves (though, to be fair, I have read pretty good explanations on how some PoT moves can be done IRL, and so is the case with KnB) and yet shrug off complaints about KnB being unrealistic and try to defend it by saying it's still based on real-life basketball despite defying the laws of physics. I mean, come on, who the hell pulls off Midorima's full-court three IN THE NBA, on a REGULAR BASIS, AND NOT JUST IN THE LAST FEW SECONDS OF A QUARTER OR GAME?.

[Terrestrial Dream]

Originally Posted by judasmartel

Okay, so what KnB moves exactly are POSSIBLE in real life, and who pulls that off on a REGULAR BASIS? I know misdirection is one, NBA PG's do that on a regular basis, but you just don't literally disappear in front of everyone on the court. You're still there, they just don't see you, so misdirection can be rendered useless if somebody marks Kuroko.

Somebody here explained that Midorima's full-court 3 is possible with enough practice but it's impractical to use on a regular basis in the NBA because of its hideous accuracy and opposing teams can just use full-court man-to-man defense, making it useless. But I still don't buy it.

Also, I don't really understand how people make a big deal about PoT having crazy ridiculous moves and yet shrug it off when they say KnB is unrealistic and try to defend it by saying it's still based on real-life basketball despite defying the laws of physics (I mean, come on, who the hell pulls off Midorima's full-court three IN THE NBA, on a REGULAR BASIS, AND NOT JUST AS A END-OF-QUARTER-OR-GAME HEAVE?).

If you can make full court 3 every time, you are the greatest player in the history of NBA. The players in Kuroko will dominate the NBA because of their impossible skills. POT was crazier, their skills was good enough to kill people. But Kuroko is still ridiculous. if there were people reading this for realism, they are looking at the wrong thing.

Really, when I first the saw Midorima's three I was literally laughing because of ridiculousness of it.
Rembmer shots like this is so rare in NBA

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[judasmartel]

And it is NOT possible to pass the ball from the whole 94 feet to a teammate ON A FREAKING STRAIGHT LINE.

That is why in an original fic I'm planning to make, I'm looking for that balance between realistic and awesome. I think SD did it well, no crazy ridiculous moves like in KnB, just high school players playing at the NBA level.

[Terrestrial Dream]

Originally Posted by judasmartel

And it is NOT possible to pass the ball from the whole 94 yards to a teammate ON A FREAKING STRAIGHT LINE.

Well that kinda pass attempt will just get stolen anyways, so yeah pretty pointless.

Originally Posted by judasmartel

That is why in an original fic I'm planning to make, I'm looking for that balance between realistic and awesome. I think SD did it well, no crazy ridiculous moves like in KnB, just high school players playing at the NBA level.

True, Slam Dunk aka the greatest manga ever, while wasn't too realistic, the level of the play was possible for human being.

[LCeh]

For a sports manga, I would say Slam Dunk is probably as realistic as it can get while keeping it entertaining and interesting. And I definitely agree, it is imo the greatest manga ever.

[larethian]

I've put off reading this for a while, but after seeing KnB getting into top 3 ranks in WSJ rather frequently these days, I resumed it last night. Boy, the bromance sure is strong, this series must be truly heaven for fujoshis

The last match before the flashback was certainly interesting, with the 2nd last chapter (or was it the last chapter) of the match giving KnB the first place in WSJ. Though running full court plus doing all those actions and speaking some lines in the last 4 seconds was little bit of a stretch to believe (but then again SD also had that), so oh well.

I agree KnB is really fantastical in many ways, but it's still way better than PoT, which has crossed into the realm of total magic. At least, the explanations in KnB were not unacceptable in a Shounen Jump battle manga and they were relatively well thought out imo. Having some explanation for Phantom Shot and misdirection in the recent chapters certainly made it better. I'm good with this as long as it doesn't become PoT level Hope the standard of the match's excitement continues.

Though I'm guessing that Seirin will lose the final and go into 2nd year arc.

[larethian]

latest chapter 211:
I really liked that extra bit on Momoi

[iamadooddood]

I see spiderwebs on this thread.

Anyway, I've read the flashbacks up to chapter 222. A lot of neat little reveals. Like how Akashi gained his Emperor's Eye. Also why he didn't teach Kuroko shooting.

Spoiler:

He really doesn't want to lose. Backed into a corner in a 1-on-1 against Murasakibara, he awakens his power and turns the tables to come back from 0-4 down to win 5-4.

As for why he didn't teach Kuroko shooting? It doesn't help the team win, period. Forget the Phantom Shot, when he saw Kuroko doing free throw practice he told him not to do it!

[Awrya]

So the reason Akashi told him improving his shooting is already unnecessary is because Kuroko can't create his own shot? While he could lose his defender, he'd still need a pass from his teammate, which can be described as team play.
Another reason is that they already have 5 scoring options and didn't need another?

Another thing, somehow Murasakibara and Kiyoshi's backstory doesn't really add up, the flashback in Ch.157 showed an almost 100 point difference, so it's safe to assume the miracles awakened their potential by that time. We know Murasakibara awakened his in his third year and since Kiyoshi is a year older, he should have been in the first year of high school, but the game took place in middle school.
Ch.96 implies they played against each other in the semi-finals and while the miracles were strong in their second year, they shouldn't have been able to completely dominate the opposing team like that.

[iamadooddood]

Originally Posted by Awrya

So the reason Akashi told him improving his shooting is already unnecessary is because Kuroko can't create his own shot? While he could lose his defender, he'd still need a pass from his teammate, which can be described as team play.
Another reason is that they already have 5 scoring options and didn't need another?

Another thing, somehow Murasakibara and Kiyoshi's backstory doesn't really add up, the flashback in Ch.157 showed an almost 100 point difference, so it's safe to assume the miracles awakened their potential by that time. We know Murasakibara awakened his in his third year and since Kiyoshi is a year older, he should have been in the first year of high school, but the game took place in middle school.
Ch.96 implies they played against each other in the semi-finals and while the miracles were strong in their second year, they shouldn't have been able to completely dominate the opposing team like that.

Yeah, I think it's the latter. They already have 5 guys who can score.

I think it was pretty much a given that even in their second year the GOM were already much stronger than their UG seniors, since otherwise they wouldn't have said that the UG were completely overshadowed by the GOM. There's just no way around it. And mind that back then the UG were from different teams so they were usually the aces of their team. All that's needed is for the GOM to crush their opponent's ace for an easy win.

The only thing shown in Kuroko's flashback to the semi-final in the GOM's second year in middle school was that Aomine ran rampant in the match. No mention of Murasakibara or Kiyoshi, although Aomine's performance could have helped Murasakibara to crush Kiyoshi somewhat, assuming that was really the match in question.

[Log]

Originally Posted by Awrya

So the reason Akashi told him improving his shooting is already unnecessary is because Kuroko can't create his own shot? While he could lose his defender, he'd still need a pass from his teammate, which can be described as team play.
Another reason is that they already have 5 scoring options and didn't need another?

Another thing, somehow Murasakibara and Kiyoshi's backstory doesn't really add up, the flashback in Ch.157 showed an almost 100 point difference, so it's safe to assume the miracles awakened their potential by that time. We know Murasakibara awakened his in his third year and since Kiyoshi is a year older, he should have been in the first year of high school, but the game took place in middle school.
Ch.96 implies they played against each other in the semi-finals and while the miracles were strong in their second year, they shouldn't have been able to completely dominate the opposing team like that.

Japanese middle school goes from 7th grade to 9th grade while their high school goes from 10th grade to 12th.

So while Murasakibara was in 8th grade Kiyoshi was in 9th grade which is still middle school in Japan.

[Awrya]

Another thing, somehow Murasakibara and Kiyoshi's backstory doesn't really add up, the flashback in Ch.157 showed an almost 100 point difference, so it's safe to assume the miracles awakened their potential by that time. We know Murasakibara awakened his in his third year and since Kiyoshi is a year older, he should have been in the first year of high school, but the game took place in middle school.
Ch.96 implies they played against each other in the semi-finals and while the miracles were strong in their second year, they shouldn't have been able to completely dominate the opposing team like that.

Originally Posted by Log

Japanese middle school goes from 7th grade to 9th grade while their high school goes from 10th grade to 12th.

So while Murasakibara was in 8th grade Kiyoshi was in 9th grade which is still middle school in Japan.

Instead of 8th grade, I use 2nd year (of middle school), with Kiyoshi being a year older and thus 9th grade, and I said the game took place in middle school.

But what I'm saying in my post is that when they played, the miracles in their 2nd year of middle school haven't awakened their potential yet (except Aomine), but still defeated Kiyoshi's team 148 - 51. It's a difference of 97 points, which I consider to be too big since at that time they were above-average to elite players, with Aomine towering over everyone else.

[Log]

Originally Posted by Awrya

Instead of 8th grade, I use 2nd year (of middle school), with Kiyoshi being a year older and thus 9th grade, and I said the game took place in middle school.

But what I'm saying in my post is that when they played, the miracles in their 2nd year of middle school haven't awakened their potential yet (except Aomine), but still defeated Kiyoshi's team 148 - 51. It's a difference of 97 points, which I consider to be too big since at that time they were above-average to elite players, with Aomine towering over everyone else.

Oh I see what you mean. I read it wrongly.

In which case I think iamadooddood has the most likely explanation.