Teresa vs. Priscilla: What Really Happened?

[irvinethearcher]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

I can't believe you actually went ahead and continue the discussion dunames started

I felt like it because it remembered me about this movie i have seen "by the sword".

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by Gangsta Spanksta

It's just hard to see the connection between being hot and getting owned.

Dunames basically was trying to say "As hot as Teresa is, she got killed by Priscilla, get over it". What amazes me the most though is why
he suddenly came out of nowhere, blaring and ranting about this. The 92 thread was pretty peaceful until then

It's amazing how different English is when you don't use spelling or grammar.

[Ryuken]

He was a complete no no to me.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by Ryuken

He was a complete no no to me.

Who? Dunames?

As weird as it was, it was funny. If he was a troll, he actually did more then most of them since he posted his theory. Impossible to decipher, but he actually made an effort.

He's a special troll

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by MisterJB

Are you from Snider's time?

No, but the name is familiar. He was the one who came back shortly after as Erom right?

Didn't have an account back then, still a lurker.

[clarakiss~]

ah... c'mon it's good once in a while when someone unknown comes along and shakes the boat like dunames and snider had, just to see where everyone's allegiance lie. teresa vs. priscilla is certainly one of those...

[SagaraSouske]

The way dunames posted may be rude and lacking useful contribution to the discussion. Some of his sentiment or frustration does echo in some of us that are not part of the Teresa's army of worshipers.

A question I asked long ago, in which I will ask again - why is there a need to elevate Teresa's power level to such a point that her 20% basically > everyone else? Isn't it enough for her to have the exact same impact if she had been equal to Priscilla or slightly stronger? That would still make her the strongest being in the Manga and still make Clare inheriting Teresa's flesh having a chance to grow and confront Priscilla eventually. I feel that the need to put her on a high pedestal rather does injustice to her character.

Also, making her that powerful belittles Clare's accomplishments. If all it takes is for Clare to draw out 20% of Teresa's potential and she will be able to be stronger then Priscilla, all her training, her effort and her friend's sacrifice lose much of their meaning. It would be better for Clare to use what she inherited from Teresa and combine it with her own potential and skills learned through her own experience to surpass Teresa at some point in the future.

Lastly, people keep on conveniently ignore the fact that Priscilla is a green horn that lacks experience and her potential, while monstrous, has just started to be realized when she fought Teresa. Compare 10% Teresa > 'AO' Rosemary to 10% Teresa having just as much a hard time against inexperienced 80% claymore Priscilla barely using any of her latent potential, I just fail to see how you can arrive at the conclusion that Rosemary is AO class and therefor 10% Teresa > AO.

[irvinethearcher]

Originally Posted by SagaraSouske

A question I asked long ago, in which I will ask again - why is there a need to elevate Teresa's power level to such a point that her 20% basically > everyone else? Isn't it enough for her to have the exact same impact if she had been equal to Priscilla or slightly stronger?

That's because she ... was just that much stronger

Lastly, people keep on conveniently ignore the fact that Priscilla is a green horn that lacks experience and her potential, while monstrous, has just started to be realized when she fought Teresa. Compare 10% Teresa > 'AO' Rosemary to 10% Teresa having just as much a hard time against inexperienced 80% claymore Priscilla barely using any of her latent potential, I just fail to see how you can arrive at the conclusion that Rosemary is AO class and therefor 10% Teresa > AO.

The problem is that priscilla as far as we know is as experienced as theresa. I don't know how often i wrote this but theresa had no adversary to gain experience from. Even rosemary was only a sparing partner and even from this fight there was nothing which made her stronger after the fight was over. There is only one way priscilla could become stronger if we ignore experience. Maturing. Perhaps she wasn't already full-grown?
But i doubt that it would matter because
we know about 14 - 16 year old girls who are already world class in physical sports like swimming or tennis. Compensate the insane difference in power between teresa and priscilla with only maturing? I can not deny the possibility but i doubt it.
So far priscilla was teresa's one and only serious adversary.

Perhaps only perhaps, rafaella showed teresa some good moves as a little child.
We'll see.

I don't think teresa had ever released more than 30% of her yoki. IMO this was what she feared the most - the monster sleeping inside of herself.
She said often that she is a monster like she told rosemary in her last seconds.

As for clare. Her real problem is to evoke and control her power. Perhaps it will be more complicated because there is probably more inside of clare than only teresa's power.
Another problem is that she has to survive in order to do this and that she has a weak yoma:human ratio.

At the end i can only say prodigies or monsters like teresa exist even in our real world.
Look in wiki for "Gauss" or "von Neumann" those are real monsters against those we all are probably like yuma against teresa.
Somehow i think teresa is even weaker than Neumann if you think he worked on the manhattan project.

[Shiek927]

A question I asked long ago, in which I will ask again - why is there a need to elevate Teresa's power level to such a point that her 20% basically > everyone else? Isn't it enough for her to have the exact same impact if she had been equal to Priscilla or slightly stronger?

Irvine is right, the difference between Teresa and Priscilla is extreme, just as extreme as Priscilla and everyone else. While Priscilla's full strength is that of 2 Abyssal Ones, Teresa's strength is easily that of 3, or even 4 Abyssal Ones.

Also, making her that powerful belittles Clare's accomplishments. If all it takes is for Clare to draw out 20% of Teresa's potential and she will be able to be stronger then Priscilla, all her training, her effort and her friend's sacrifice lose much of their meaning. It would be better for Clare to use what she inherited from Teresa and combine it with her own potential and skills learned through her own experience to surpass Teresa at some point in the future.

Perhaps it feels that way, but remember that Claire is holding only 1/4 of Teresa inside of her. All her training and hardships don't lose any meaning, because she's combining that strength with the arm of a Number 2, and the various experiences and techniques she learned. Will it all be stronger then fully awakened Teresa if Claire fully awakened probably not. I know it seems like she's just leeching off of Teresa's great skill, but the fact she has Teresa inside her is part of what makes Claire so powerful, and potentially, the strongest character in existance.

Lastly, people keep on conveniently ignore the fact that Priscilla is a green horn that lacks experience and her potential, while monstrous, has just started to be realized when she fought Teresa. Compare 10% Teresa > 'AO' Rosemary to 10% Teresa having just as much a hard time against inexperienced 80% claymore Priscilla barely using any of her latent potential, I just fail to see how you can arrive at the conclusion that Rosemary is AO class and therefor 10% Teresa > AO.

Weren't you the one who told me that she released all of her potential when she fully awakened? How are we to exactly now how much of her potential was out when she was almost there? A bit strange to now suddenly say she was 'barely' using it.

Whether or not Priscilla ever had any experience is moot; all her potential was fully released as if she had as much battle experience as a Claymore as Teresa.

[SagaraSouske]

Originally Posted by irvinethearcher

The problem is that priscilla as far as we know is as experienced as theresa. I don't know how often i wrote this but theresa had no adversary to gain experience from. Even rosemary was only a sparing partner and even from this fight there was nothing which made her stronger after the fight was over. There is only one way priscilla could become stronger if we ignore experience. Maturing. Perhaps she wasn't already full-grown?
But i doubt that it would matter because
we know about 14 - 16 year old girls who are already world class in physical sports like swimming or tennis. Compensate the insane difference in power between teresa and priscilla with only maturing? I can not deny the possibility but i doubt it.
So far priscilla was teresa's one and only serious adversary.

There are different types of experiences - experiences in learning how to utilize youki - techniques are created that way. I doubt Irene just magically learned Quicksword right after she became a claymore or young Teresa's youki reading skill being as refined and advanced as she had before her death. Priscilla just became a claymore not long ago and aside from her natural youki suppression, she really hasn't learned anything. There is experience in fighting in general - which Teresa has lots of, possible more then anyone in her generation because she was able to survive all her battles, yoma or AB. This is another area Priscilla has basically little experience, which showed when Teresa didn't need to rely on youki reading and still able to easily defeat Priscilla. There is experience in dealing with youki releases, Teresa has limited experience in this department because as you said, no opponent forced her above 30%. But overall, Teresa is a veteran in utilizing her abilities, skills and her general combat experience comparing to Priscilla is night and day.

Two ways for Priscilla to realize her potential. One, gain combat experience and youki utilization experience the same way all claymore do - fight yoma and ABs. If she survives long enough like Teresa, she will eventually get to Teresa's level. Two, by awakening. One of her AB trait is explosive growth. The awakening process released all of her latent potential - unlike most other claymores. Ritful mentioned that Claymore can get stronger and awakened to be stronger ABs. Well Priscilla's special trait allowed her to skip the getting strong as claymore part and awakened as if she already became a claymore that rivals Teresa. Thus her gap between prior and after awakening is far wider then others.

Originally Posted by irvinethearcher

I don't think teresa had ever released more than 30% of her yoki. IMO this was what she feared the most - the monster sleeping inside of herself.
She said often that she is a monster like she told rosemary in her last seconds.

There is mostly because she never has a need to raise above 30% rather then because she fears her own power. When she told Rosemary her last words, that's like typical trash talking employed when one is overpowering another. All claymores fear releasing too much because that leads to awakening. Teresa is not immune to that. But one of her strength is youki reading. She knows exactly how much youki she possesses and how much she needs to release to defeat her opponent. The fear is not for her own power but rather for using it too much and make her lose control and awaken.

Originally Posted by irvinethearcher

As for clare. Her real problem is to evoke and control her power. Perhaps it will be more complicated because there is probably more inside of clare than only teresa's power.
Another problem is that she has to survive in order to do this and that she has a weak yoma:human ratio.

I don't think the lower yoma:human ratio will effect how much of Teresa's potential she will receive. Strictly speaking, she fused with the strongest being in the Claymore world while others merely fuse with regular yoma.

Learning to control her youki or other techiniques that she learned is precisely how she gain experience. Learning to control it even better in order to do controlled awakening requires even more experience and knowledge. This is how she is unlocking Teresa's potential inside her - by learning, practicing and absorbing what others taught her.

[SagaraSouske]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

Weren't you the one who told me that she released all of her potential when she fully awakened? How are we to exactly now how much of her potential was out when she was almost there? A bit strange to now suddenly say she was 'barely' using it.

Whether or not Priscilla ever had any experience is moot; all her potential was fully released as if she had as much battle experience as a Claymore as Teresa.

Because Priscilla just became a claymore not long ago and both Irene and Teresa commented on her lack of experience but possessing great potential. She didn't have time to gain experience or realize her potential when she fought Teresa. Her potential is fullfilled when she awakened - and she proceed to cut off Teresa's head. Teresa never fought a Priscilla that was on par with her.

[irvinethearcher]

Originally Posted by SagaraSouske

Two ways for Priscilla to realize her potential. One, gain combat experience and youki utilization experience the same way all claymore do - fight yoma and ABs. If she survives long enough like Teresa, she will eventually get to Teresa's level. Two, by awakening. One of her AB trait is explosive growth. The awakening process released all of her latent potential - unlike most other claymores. Ritful mentioned that Claymore can get stronger and awakened to be stronger ABs. Well Priscilla's special trait allowed her to skip the getting strong as claymore part and awakened as if she already became a claymore that rivals Teresa. Thus her gap between prior and after awakening is far wider then others.

Priscilla or theresa can not "fight" yoma or ABs. Or do you fight the bug under your shoes?
The only way to really train priscilla is perhaps to send her as a claymore against riful or isley or luciella. But remember, she never released any yoki and the org could not know how strong she really was and would probably not risk to annoy the AOs without the guaranty of victory.
And if the army is right, teresa could not even "fight" the AOs. So how would she train herself or get experience. Experimenting with her limits and risking to extinguish all life on the island would be the only way. I don't think she was this kind of power hungry person. Those freaking things like soul-link or memory melting were at this time not at priscilla's or teresa's disposal. As long as we don't know more about rafaella's and teresa's relationship we can say that at the moment pris and teresa fought against each other teresa's only advantage was that she was full-grown and priscilla was only a perhaps 16 or 17 year old teenager. But do you think she gains that much(10-30% against 70%-80%) yoki from only becoming a woman?
Theresa trained her yoki sensing perhaps this was the only thing she could train.
Probably driven by pure boredom and seeing it as a tool to deceive everyone about what she was really capable of. And this skill was not of great use against priscilla and not of use against rosemary.

If she survives long enough like Teresa, she will eventually get to Teresa's level.

Like she "survived" against all those yoma in this street when she first met the three others

Irene especially commented on her lack of mental stability. But experience is a different thing. Like the word says you can only gain it from making appropriate experiences. Like you will not become a faster runner if you are walking every day only 10 minutes around the block.
You NEED the right stimulus.

There is perhaps another way for theresa and priscilla to get stronger. They could have run around the whole island in 5 hours or so but i still have the feeling none of them was this kind of character.

The ratio affects her life and made it very difficult especially at the beginning. As long as clare is not able to somehow connect with what is laying dormant inside of her she is compared to priscilla or theresa as claymores still weak and vulnerable, even now. As the manga goes on things turn more and more into her favor she has now a better standing than before but still...
What happens with clare and teresa at the end no one knows probably something like raciella will be born but there are differences.
Clare is better fused with teresa and teresa never awakened. Clare has all of rafaellas knowledge and she is half-awakened so i think this being would be more like some epiphany than a dark and unknown entity.

[camilla]

Originally Posted by SagaraSouske

A question I asked long ago, in which I will ask again - why is there a need to elevate Teresa's power level to such a point that her 20% basically > everyone else? Isn't it enough for her to have the exact same impact if she had been equal to Priscilla or slightly stronger? That would still make her the strongest being in the Manga and still make Clare inheriting Teresa's flesh having a chance to grow and confront Priscilla eventually. I feel that the need to put her on a high pedestal rather does injustice to her character.

From my point of view, the valid motivation for Yagi to keep stressing Teresa's enormous power is something that goes beyond her fight with Priscilla, who was stronger that time and who would be in the future had the two of them faced another duel. I take it as a way of reminding us that Teresa, despite following the Organization's orders to the letter ( well, until she met the bandits ), limited herself to maintain her real strength and abilities secret instead of using them to rebel against the Org, the MiBs, their researches and experiments.

And if we think about it, it's shocking, isn't it? We have a being so powerful who doesn't take advantage of what she possesses to rule the world, rebel or take revenge in any way... Sure, we have to consider what, whether or not she knew of the Organization producing yomas, the continent, the war, the Dragonkins etc. Did she merely condone everything she was aware of? She simply didn't care anymore about anything? I wouldn't think so.

Teresa's role and revelations in the manga are far from being over. Now more than ever since we know of Clare's mistake and presume the mistake itself and Raffaella's memories and feelings she received must contain new information about Teresa.

Then again, you're lucky enough to be able to read the manga as Yagi himself intended it. I'm basing all this from the two licensed manga editions that I have ( none of them being the Viz one ) and the various online English translations, which, even if sometimes they contadict the ones with the others , lead me to believe and consider the Priscilla versus Teresa fight also as a pretext, a sort of hint to tell us that yes, Teresa and Priscilla were the two strongest beings of the island, but to be careful and pay attention to Teresa's power because there was something relevant behind it. Something that has yet to be told us by the mangaka.

[SagaraSouske]

Originally Posted by irvinethearcher

Priscilla or theresa can not "fight" yoma or ABs. Or do you fight the bug under your shoes?
The only way to really train priscilla is perhaps to send her as a claymore against riful or isley or luciella. But remember, she never released any yoki and the org could not know how strong she really was and would probably not risk to annoy the AOs without the guaranty of victory.
And if the army is right, teresa could not even "fight" the AOs. So how would she train herself or get experience. Experimenting with her limits and risking to extinguish all life on the island would be the only way. I don't think she was this kind of power hungry person. Those freaking things like soul-link or memory melting were at this time not at priscilla's or teresa's disposal. As long as we don't know more about rafaella's and teresa's relationship we can say that at the moment pris and teresa fought against each other teresa's only advantage was that she was full-grown and priscilla was only a perhaps 16 or 17 year old teenager. But do you think she gains that much(10-30% against 70%-80%) yoki from only becoming a woman?
Theresa trained her yoki sensing perhaps this was the only thing she could train.
Probably driven by pure boredom and seeing it as a tool to deceive everyone about what she was really capable of. And this skill was not of great use against priscilla and not of use against rosemary.

Like she "survived" against all those yoma in this street when she first met the three others

Fight opponents of near equal strength just means you gain experience faster. Fighting someone far less powerful does not mean you gain 0 experience. There is also the skill and knowledge in utilize your abilities, which is not something that you are born with. A fresh just turned Claymore Teresa - despite her massive potential, will not be able to kill ABs with ease or be able to fend off a claymore hunting team. Sure she can prob still wipe the floors with regular yomas but even human can kill them as long as they can detect them. How do you think Alica get stronger by 'training'? There aren't too much opponents near her level for her to train on if she has to gain experience that way. Yet the Org trained her to be strong enough to awakened to AO level.

Priscilla may be able to kill yoma with no trouble because her natural ability is high enough to allow her to do that. It doesn't mean she will kill AB with the same ease. I doubt she has yet been sent on a AB hunting team before she became part of the Teresa hunting team. Just look at Clare, she was able to easily kill multiple yoma without breaking a sweat before meeting up with Miria, Helen and Deneve. It still took effort and coordination between Miria and her to kill the male AB. Saying experience do not matter or Priscilla does not need experience with the mountain of evidence of how Clare gained her experience in 90 chapters is just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by irvinethearcher

Irene especially commented on her lack of mental stability. But experience is a different thing. Like the word says you can only gain it from making appropriate experiences. Like you will not become a faster runner if you are walking every day only 10 minutes around the block.
You NEED the right stimulus.

There is perhaps another way for theresa and priscilla to get stronger. They could have run around the whole island in 5 hours or so but i still have the feeling none of them was this kind of character.

The ratio affects her life and made it very difficult especially at the beginning. As long as clare is not able to somehow connect with what is laying dormant inside of her she is compared to priscilla or theresa as claymores still weak and vulnerable, even now. As the manga goes on things turn more and more into her favor she has now a better standing than before but still...
What happens with clare and teresa at the end no one knows probably something like raciella will be born but there are differences.
Clare is better fused with teresa and teresa never awakened. Clare has all of rafaellas knowledge and she is half-awakened so i think this being would be more like some epiphany than a dark and unknown entity.

Claymore raise in rank is another indication that they gain experience, Miria is one such example. Any of their techniques they employed, they learned through experience. Knowing their limit is learned through experience.

It doesn't matter if Clare has a much lower start or higher start like Priscilla and Teresa, the fact is she learned to improve youki reading through experience in fighting. She improved her Quicksword through experience in fighting (against AB Ophelia and Dauf). She learned more about youki manipulation from Galatea when she felt her using it and saved Jean with it. Her receiving the training from Irene is again another form of gaining experience. Without these experiences, Clare would not be the Clare we see now.

Priscilla, despite starting out real strong, has plenty of room to grow. She can learn to fight normally on par with Teresa without youki; she can develop her own techniques using youki; she can learn the limit of her release so she will not go over 80% by accident; she can use her youki more efficiently like Teresa such that she will not need to raise above 30% often to fight her opponents instead of release to close to 80% and just wasting most of her youki. If Ritful were observing the fight, she would have commented that 90% of Priscilla's movement are wasteful like how she commented no Clare.

Claymore can get stronger by surviving long enough is a given in the Manga. There are so many irrefutable evidence to that and I don't know how you can just ignore all that by narrowly defining that they can only get stronger by fighting opponents of similar strength. They get stronger by fighting both easy enemies and enemies above their strength. They get stronger by just have more time to practice their youki control and abilities or create new ones, time which Priscilla barely had before the Teresa fight. They get stronger by watch other claymores fight or fighting along side them, which Priscilla had little opportunity prior to Teresa fight. Raw potential does not translate into ability without training, experience, learning to bring out those potentials. Priscilla was an experimental prototype specifically created with extremely high potential (There was whole article of analysis written in the data book regarding this subject). But lacking experience is exactly what made her lose to Teresa easily and awaken prematurely.

[SagaraSouske]

Originally Posted by camilla

From my point of view, the valid motivation for Yagi to keep stressing Teresa's enormous power is something that goes beyond her fight with Priscilla, who was stronger that time and who would be in the future had the two of them faced another duel. I take it as a way of reminding us that Teresa, despite following the Organization's orders to the letter ( well, until she met the bandits ), limited herself to maintain her real strength and abilities secret instead of using them to rebel against the Org, the MiBs, their researches and experiments.

And if we think about it, it's shocking, isn't it? We have a being so powerful who doesn't take advantage of what she possesses to rule the world, rebel or take revenge in any way... Sure, we have to consider what, whether or not she knew of the Organization producing yomas, the continent, the war, the Dragonkins etc. Did she merely condone everything she was aware of? She simply didn't care anymore about anything? I wouldn't think so.

Teresa's role and revelations in the manga are far from being over. Now more than ever since we know of Clare's mistake and presume the mistake itself and Raffaella's memories and feelings she received must contain new information about Teresa.

Then again, you're lucky enough to be able to read the manga as Yagi himself intended it. I'm basing all this from the two licensed manga editions that I have ( none of them being the Viz one ) and the various online English translations, which, even if sometimes they contadict the ones with the others , lead me to believe and consider the Priscilla versus Teresa fight also as a pretext, a sort of hint to tell us that yes, Teresa and Priscilla were the two strongest beings of the island, but to be careful and pay attention to Teresa's power because there was something relevant behind it. Something that has yet to be told us by the mangaka.

Well that still doesn't answer my question, all that you said can be achieved when Teresa is strong enough to be slightly above Priscilla.

[Ryuken]

Well, I would definitely say that she would surpass Teresa, and I guess it won't take too long now. And as far as survival goes, yes, she did survive against the yoma in the street or ally I would have to say. And also I would like to say that she even did survive against Isley when they first met. I'm sure that Isley wouldn't have hesitated to finish her off at any moment during their battle in the ex-chap. But rather, it was what she did in that split second of an instant that made him earn her respect for all time.

[camilla]

Originally Posted by SagaraSouske

Well that still doesn't answer my question, all that you said can be achieved when Teresa is strong enough to be slightly above Priscilla.

I don't dislike Priscilla in any way. So, there isn't a double meaning behind what I'm about to say. And power isn't the only way I use to value a character in the claymoreverse. And I'm not brought to prefer the stronger ones to the less stronger ones.

That being said, maybe Yagi thought Priscilla's power wasn't enough for what he had in stock and the story he wanted to tell required another character to be stronger. Hence the need to elevate Teresa's power level you asked.

The reason why it had to be Teresa to make her so uber strong only Yagi knows it. I can only think there is a well thought meaning behind this and one day he'll reveal it to us.

You know what I also think? That both Priscilla and Teresa's powers ( that now resides partially in Clare ) will be required to defeat something/someone and in the end what is going to count is not who the stronger one was but who joined forces with who to bring peace back to the island.

[SagaraSouske]

Originally Posted by camilla

I don't dislike Priscilla in any way. So, there isn't a double meaning behind what I'm about to say. And power isn't the only way I use to value a character in the claymoreverse. And I'm not brought to prefer the stronger ones to the less stronger ones.

That being said, maybe Yagi thought Priscilla's power wasn't enough for what he had in stock and the story he wanted to tell required another character to be stronger. Hence the need to elevate Teresa's power level you asked.

The reason why it had to be Teresa to make her so uber strong only Yagi knows it. I can only think there is a well thought meaning behind this and one day he'll reveal it to us.

You know what I also think? That both Priscilla and Teresa's powers ( that now resides partially in Clare ) will be required to defeat something/someone and in the end what is going to count is not who the stronger one was but who joined forces with who to bring peace back to the island.

I have no problem with speculations like that. What I have problem with is the arbitrary elevation of Teresa's power for the sake of Teresa. Yagi can achieve what he wanted us readers to see about Teresa by making her equivalent of Priscilla. He doesn't need to make her super powerful, and that is actually detrimental to the story (I already gave reasoning above.) Being a fan of Teresa is fine, I am one. There is no need to worship her and make her into a goddess that is untouchable.

If Teresa's power is way above Priscilla's, then combining two as you speculated would not happen. Why would you need Priscilla's power when Teresa is 4 to 5 times stronger then her.

[camilla]

Originally Posted by SagaraSouske

I have no problem with speculations like that. What I have problem with is the arbitrary elevation of Teresa's power for the sake of Teresa. Yagi can achieve what he wanted us readers to see about Teresa by making her equivalent of Priscilla. He doesn't need to make her super powerful, and that is actually detrimental to the story (I already gave reasoning above.) Being a fan of Teresa is fine, I am one. There is no need to worship her and make her into a goddess that is untouchable.

If Teresa's power is way above Priscilla's, then combining two as you speculated would not happen. Why would you need Priscilla's power when Teresa is 4 to 5 times stronger then her.

I have to differ. Well, who knows what they might be finding themselves fighting against in the future. And what level of strength is required. As of right now, Clare is nowhere near Teresa's power and who's to say she will ever reach her or surpass her in the future. irvinethearcher is gonna negate me the access to the Clare Fan Club for having said this.

I can think of a reason for elevating Teresa's power to the point of making her an untouchable goddess, as you say: provide the force needed to fight the Organization or whoever is the final villain.

If you hadn't been a fan of Teresa, I would still have debated with you. I don't discriminate.

[irvinethearcher]

Originally Posted by camilla

And if we think about it, it's shocking, isn't it? We have a being so powerful who doesn't take advantage of what she possesses to rule the world, rebel or take revenge in any way... Sure, we have to consider what, whether or not she knew of the Organization producing yomas, the continent, the war, the Dragonkins etc. Did she merely condone everything she was aware of? She simply didn't care anymore about anything? I wouldn't think so.

Teresa's role and revelations in the manga are far from being over. Now more than ever since we know of Clare's mistake and presume the mistake itself and Raffaella's memories and feelings she received must contain new information about Teresa.

After reading your comment i had a very sad idea. Could it be that despite all the power theresa possesed and despite being unbeatable she felt helpless and powerless somehow?
Her faint smile and her sad eyes. Came those really only from the betrayal of her family in her childhood?
1.)If we assume rosemary was AO and teresa believed in the actions of the org like perhaps dietrich, she could have simply walked first to the north slaughtered isle than south slaughtered luciella and at the end disposed of riful in the west. After that she could have glanced the island from yoma and ABs. Or fought against all three together with 50% yoki release.
So she must have known that the org was evil or at least not good, therefore she hid her power.
2.) But why did she not simply wiped out the org? This is far more interesting than 1.)

It must have been a really frustrating state of being strong enough to beat everything on the island but despite that to can not change anything for what ever reason. Perhaps this state was the second and the far greater reason for her sadness. Perhaps she assumed something but was not sure about it, so she did only her job but nothing more. This would be the easiest explanation.

Originally Posted by Camilla

I have to differ. Well, who knows what they might be finding themselves fighting against in the future. And what level of strength is required. As of right now, Clare is nowhere near Teresa's power and who's to say she will ever reach her or surpass her in the future. irvinethearcher is gonna negate me the access to the Clare Fan Club for having said this.

Nah .. it is common knowledge that clare is still weak compared to teresa. I don't admire clare for her strength physical strength, i simply like her because of her pure character