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4Tran · 2009-01-17, 01:35

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Molenir · 2009-01-17, 04:39

Well, episode 3 was definitely an improvement over episode 2. Lot more fun. Favorites parts...

Spoiler for Episode 3:

Definitely looking forward to the subs, and to episode 4.

Edit: Wow, I'm the first to post in this thread again. Think thats the first time thats ever happened.

Droplet · 2009-01-17, 09:06

Can't wait for the subs. Molenir, can you understand Nippongo? I just think that's great. Better start to study it myself.

dahl_moon · 2009-01-17, 11:12

Had a lot of fun watching this episode. Pace has slowed down a bit, meaning the episode was able to touch on most of the important scenes in this timeframe.

Spoiler for Episode 3:

Molenir · 2009-01-17, 11:39

Quote:

Molenir, can you understand Nippongo? I just think that's great. Better start to study it myself.

Do I understand Japanese? To be honest, yes and no. I catch about 1/3rd of what is being said. If I watch it again, depending on the show, the dialog etc, I can catch better then half of what they're saying, but I still end up missing a bunch. Thats why I look forward to the subs. And why I'm still studying Japanese.

dream-seeker · 2009-01-17, 14:37

Excellent. It was a touching and fun episode.

Spoiler for episode:

Master Chibi · 2009-01-18, 05:46

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Shiroth · 2009-01-18, 07:47

Spoiler for Episode 03:

A perfect 10 from me yet again, for delivering my favorite kind of Marimite drama.

Anh_Minh · 2009-01-18, 09:03

Yoshino, not Shimako.

Shiroth · 2009-01-18, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yoshino, not Shimako.

Alright. Nothing wrong with a mistake now and then.

Lesca · 2009-01-18, 13:33

Kanako looks taller every episode to me

Spoiler for Ep3:

thundrakkon · 2009-01-18, 15:02

Will Touko every become more likeable?

Spoiler for Touko:

Yumi and company are always fun to watch. I just wish that they will have a lot more Sachiko interaction. Her "guest" appearances lately makes it a little depressing, since I want to see more of her...

sa547 · 2009-01-18, 15:09

In my words, this time it's well-paced and written like it's out of a Jane Austen novel. Simply good, with some generous amounts of character focus...

Except for the tea party, which seems to have been downplayed. Looks like I have to visit Okazu again to supply the missing pieces of the puzzle.

dream-seeker · 2009-01-18, 15:34

Yeah I finally understood what was said. Everyone's character changes, slow but noticeable changes. Anyway Yumi, Yoshino and Shimako never grew. LOL At least a little taller (few inches) or so to impose an Onee-sama image. Sometimes I still see them as first years.

Anh_Minh · 2009-01-18, 15:35

I can sympathize with Touko's irritability, personally. She didn't use to be like that. At the beginning of the school year, she was caring and, yes, mischievous and a busybody. But she didn't lash out. And while she had a part in Yumi and Sachiko's falling out, it was involuntary. It stemmed more from the pair's inability to communicate than anything else. And she did try to look out for Noriko and even for Yumi - though she was tsundere about the latter.

But recently... She had to face a lot of pressure. In her theater club, where her talents landed her lots of expectations and jealousy. And among the first years, where her relationship with Yumi also landed her with lots of expectations and jealousy.

Her comments about Kanako also hint of troubles at home (the same as Sachiko's? Maybe all men in that damn family are the same...), but unlike Kanako, she didn't use that as an excuse to be a jerk, so she had no outlet.

Matrim · 2009-01-18, 22:30

Damn, I was really hoping for a formal soeur audition, not some lame tea party.

I can just picture Yoshino's face when she loudly describes the faults of the candidates.

Kaoru Chujo · 2009-01-18, 22:49

We'll see how "lame" the tea party is. Tea parties can be very intense.

I hope we see more Kanako, since she's played by Koshimizu Ami. Seemed sudden to me, too, as strong as the circumstances were.

I saw Touko becoming less tsuntsun in the last episode, but she had a relapse. We all know where this is headed, however. I think.

Anh_Minh must remember things better than I do, but I still feel Touko is unnecessarily harsh. I am only just beginning to feel sympathy, as I begin to see her insecurity, which I had never realized before. EDIT: I just reread Anh_Minh's post, and thought about it a bit, and I think I see now. Good observations. I'm still quite leery of Touko, but Yumi has become strong enough to handle her now.

Personally, I've always liked Mami. But I guess she's a second year.

The irony of choosing Touko will be Yumi pulling in the person she thought was her rival for Sachiko, as well as Yumi helping perpetuate the rule of the wealthy aristocracy in the school.

Droplet · 2009-01-19, 01:33

The opening is starting to grow on me. How I like it now. Another lovely episode. It pains me, though, to wait another week for Marimite goodness

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Molenir

Do I understand Japanese? To be honest, yes and no. I catch about 1/3rd of what is being said. If I watch it again, depending on the show, the dialog etc, I can catch better then half of what they're saying, but I still end up missing a bunch. Thats why I look forward to the subs. And why I'm still studying Japanese.

Cool. Good for you

. I'm only starting to study, myself. But just focusing on grammar for now.

Molenir · 2009-01-19, 01:44

I like Touko-chan.

As Anh minh said, Touko was inadvertently involved in the tension between Yumi and Sachiko. I think that while she enjoyed teasing Yumi a bit, I don't think she anticipated the shock to the relationship. In fact remembering, she seemed very surprised, and disappointed in Yumi because of the misunderstanding, and how it affected Sachiko. And Touko has born the blame for that from the other 1st years as well. That and the Jealousies mean she is under a huge amount of pressure.

When Touko was first introduced, and even through the end of the second season, I really didn't like her. It was only at the end of season 3, when I went back and watched the whole show again, that I started to understand and see the subtleties in Touko's character. Having seen that, I'm really starting to like her. In fact she is now one of my favorite characters.

Seiryuu · 2009-01-19, 07:19

For one thing, I think it's been made pretty obvious who Yumi's sister's going to be. With how much she appears in the closing credits next to her, gazing at her, either it'll be her or they'll develop a relationship that will form a major point of conflict with the actual sister.
Honestly, I think Yumi's a little cold to be so very adverse to the idea, especially accusing her sister of not understanding her feelings. I mean, as I recall, her Onee-sama hadn't wanted to choose a sister either, but instead had done so at first out of desperation and later in response to growing bonds. Knowing how much she loved her own Onee-sama, and how much Yumi enriched her life once she accepted the rosary, it's only natural for her to want to push Yumi past the initial hesitation and anxiety.

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2009-01-17, 04:39	Link #2
Molenir Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007	Well, episode 3 was definitely an improvement over episode 2. Lot more fun. Favorites parts... Spoiler for Episode 3: Yumi looking to find a soeur the same way Sachiko did, only to fall into Rosa Feotida. Yoshinos little discussion with Eriko. I laughed at least 3 times during that little chat. The whole soeur audition... Particularly when it was announced. Though I felt bad for Touko. I liked how Noriko came out and admitted that she does like Touko, despite their past antagonism. Definitely looking forward to the subs, and to episode 4. Edit: Wow, I'm the first to post in this thread again. Think thats the first time thats ever happened.

2009-01-17, 11:12	Link #4
dahl_moon Apathy moe~ Scanlator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Atlanta, USA / Seoul, Korea	Had a lot of fun watching this episode. Pace has slowed down a bit, meaning the episode was able to touch on most of the important scenes in this timeframe. Spoiler for Episode 3: Maybe it's just me, but Touko's change of mind seems very abrupt here (it was the same in the novels). She used to be sharp and prickly on the outside, soft on the inside, but now she's just waiting to lash back at anyone. But the highlights of the episode were Noriko breaking down, and Kanako's official withdrawal from the seour audition. Especially Noriko's, which shows how much Noriko has changed from the "cool Noriko" from last year to the "caring Norko." You can see how much Noriko seems like an underclassman compared to Shimako and Yumi in this episode. Which makes me love her more __________________ Currently Watching:Is the Order a Rabbit?, No Game No Life, Precure Series

2009-01-17, 14:37	Link #6
dream-seeker soar high Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington State Age: 40	Excellent. It was a touching and fun episode. Spoiler for episode: Soeur Audition, I see Yumi still immature and saying to Sachiko she objects to the idea, while the latter is pushing Yumi to take part of soeur audition. It was funny scene bumping into Rei, while her thoughts processed, deja vu. LOL Also I did not know Sachiko went and talk to Touko on the Novels but anyway she did. I don't understand what was said. Something about objection? or denying something. Was Touko bullied? I don't really understand. Anyway I'll wait for the sub version. Kanako explaining why she wanted to protect Yumi. I understand that part. hehehe And Yumi thought they may not be soeurs but they are always friends. So to conclude, this episode are more focused on Yumi and her soeur to be. And Yoshino's quest to find a soeur, because Eriko gave a deadline for her to find one. Last edited by dream-seeker; 2009-01-17 at 15:18. Reason: spoiler

2009-01-18, 05:46	Link #7
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2009-01-17, 09:06	Link #3
Droplet ヘ(￣▽￣ヘ)(ノ￣▽￣)ノ Join Date: Jan 2008	Can't wait for the subs. Molenir, can you understand Nippongo? I just think that's great. Better start to study it myself.

2009-01-18, 07:47	Link #8
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Spoiler for Episode 03: So wait, Kanako is just out of the picture like that? Can't really call it sudden, just that i thought the drama would involve all three of them. Ah well --- she deserves to be happy, which she will be from now on. I just love how Yoshinocan lie to everyone while we're seeing the truth thanks to a flashback. Her "yes i fooled them" face was brilliant. & Sachiko to the rescue like always. A perfect 10 from me yet again, for delivering my favorite kind of Marimite drama. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter Last edited by Shiroth; 2009-01-18 at 11:28.

2009-01-18, 09:03	Link #9
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Yoshino, not Shimako.

2009-01-18, 13:33	Link #11
Lesca Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK	Kanako looks taller every episode to me Spoiler for Ep3: Good episode, pace wise it felt better than the last episode. Yumi and Touko were probably more the focus of the episode, but I found myself enjoying Noriko's role in it more than anything. It's nice to see more of her, and to see that she is a very caring person. Her scene with Shimako was short but well done, don't really get to see much interaction between them. __________________ Motsu: "Ah!, I'm flat" Shichimi: "Sometimes, I have the urge to kill you"

2009-01-18, 15:02	Link #12
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	Will Touko every become more likeable? Spoiler for Touko: I certainly hope so, considering all indications point to her as Yumi's soon to be soeur. Kanako has won a lot of bonus points with her new refreshing attitude. Too bad she is out of the running. Which pretty much leaves irritating and antsy Touko. If she didn't always give so much attitude, I would like her more. Her lashing out attitude at the world just makes me that much more less compassionate for her. She is my least favorite, make that the only prominent character that I do not like in the series. Here is to hoping that she improves in her attitude and personality to make her a more likeable character, since it seems like the series will focus a lot on her at this point in time. Yumi and company are always fun to watch. I just wish that they will have a lot more Sachiko interaction. Her "guest" appearances lately makes it a little depressing, since I want to see more of her... __________________

2009-01-18, 15:09	Link #13
sa547 Senior Member Author Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Philippines Age: 47	In my words, this time it's well-paced and written like it's out of a Jane Austen novel. Simply good, with some generous amounts of character focus... Except for the tea party, which seems to have been downplayed. Looks like I have to visit Okazu again to supply the missing pieces of the puzzle. __________________ Last edited by sa547; 2009-01-18 at 23:15.

2009-01-18, 15:34	Link #14
dream-seeker soar high Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington State Age: 40	Yeah I finally understood what was said. Everyone's character changes, slow but noticeable changes. Anyway Yumi, Yoshino and Shimako never grew. LOL At least a little taller (few inches) or so to impose an Onee-sama image. Sometimes I still see them as first years.

2009-01-18, 15:35	Link #15
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I can sympathize with Touko's irritability, personally. She didn't use to be like that. At the beginning of the school year, she was caring and, yes, mischievous and a busybody. But she didn't lash out. And while she had a part in Yumi and Sachiko's falling out, it was involuntary. It stemmed more from the pair's inability to communicate than anything else. And she did try to look out for Noriko and even for Yumi - though she was tsundere about the latter. But recently... She had to face a lot of pressure. In her theater club, where her talents landed her lots of expectations and jealousy. And among the first years, where her relationship with Yumi also landed her with lots of expectations and jealousy. Her comments about Kanako also hint of troubles at home (the same as Sachiko's? Maybe all men in that damn family are the same...), but unlike Kanako, she didn't use that as an excuse to be a jerk, so she had no outlet.

2009-01-18, 22:30	Link #16
Matrim Naysayer?Fanboy?Wiseacre? Join Date: Dec 2005	Damn, I was really hoping for a formal soeur audition, not some lame tea party. I can just picture Yoshino's face when she loudly describes the faults of the candidates. __________________ 'The world we live in is always in darkness.' 'Yes, and that is why we seek light.'

2009-01-18, 22:49	Link #17
Kaoru Chujo Yuuki Aoi Join Date: Jul 2004	We'll see how "lame" the tea party is. Tea parties can be very intense. I hope we see more Kanako, since she's played by Koshimizu Ami. Seemed sudden to me, too, as strong as the circumstances were. I saw Touko becoming less tsuntsun in the last episode, but she had a relapse. We all know where this is headed, however. I think. Anh_Minh must remember things better than I do, but I still feel Touko is unnecessarily harsh. I am only just beginning to feel sympathy, as I begin to see her insecurity, which I had never realized before. EDIT: I just reread Anh_Minh's post, and thought about it a bit, and I think I see now. Good observations. I'm still quite leery of Touko, but Yumi has become strong enough to handle her now. Personally, I've always liked Mami. But I guess she's a second year. The irony of choosing Touko will be Yumi pulling in the person she thought was her rival for Sachiko, as well as Yumi helping perpetuate the rule of the wealthy aristocracy in the school. __________________ YUUKI Aoi 悠木碧. b92.03.27 (age 29). 2008 Kurenai (Murasaki). 2009 Yumeiro Pâtissière (Ichigo), Kiruminzuu (Riko), Yutori-chan (Yutori-chan). 2010 Vampire Bund (Mina Tepeş), Shiki (Sunako), Samurai Girls (Juubee), Pokémon: Black and White (Iris). 2011 Madoka Magica (Madoka), Gosick (Victorique), A-Channel (Tooru). 2012 Symphogear (Hibiki). 2014 Pilot's Love Song (Claire/Nina), Nanatsu no Taizai (Diane). 2015 Owari no Seraph (Krul Tepes), Rokka no Yuusha (Fremy). 2016 Boku no Hero Academia (Tsuyu, Froppy). 2017 Kino no Tabi (Kino). 2021 Kumo desu ga (watashi), Kaizoku Oujo (Karin), Heike Monogatari (Biwa), etc., etc. Total of 513 roles in anime and games. Last edited by Kaoru Chujo; 2009-01-18 at 23:26.

2009-01-19, 01:44	Link #19
Molenir Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007	I like Touko-chan. As Anh minh said, Touko was inadvertently involved in the tension between Yumi and Sachiko. I think that while she enjoyed teasing Yumi a bit, I don't think she anticipated the shock to the relationship. In fact remembering, she seemed very surprised, and disappointed in Yumi because of the misunderstanding, and how it affected Sachiko. And Touko has born the blame for that from the other 1st years as well. That and the Jealousies mean she is under a huge amount of pressure. When Touko was first introduced, and even through the end of the second season, I really didn't like her. It was only at the end of season 3, when I went back and watched the whole show again, that I started to understand and see the subtleties in Touko's character. Having seen that, I'm really starting to like her. In fact she is now one of my favorite characters.

2009-01-19, 07:19	Link #20
Seiryuu Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	For one thing, I think it's been made pretty obvious who Yumi's sister's going to be. With how much she appears in the closing credits next to her, gazing at her, either it'll be her or they'll develop a relationship that will form a major point of conflict with the actual sister. Honestly, I think Yumi's a little cold to be so very adverse to the idea, especially accusing her sister of not understanding her feelings. I mean, as I recall, her Onee-sama hadn't wanted to choose a sister either, but instead had done so at first out of desperation and later in response to growing bonds. Knowing how much she loved her own Onee-sama, and how much Yumi enriched her life once she accepted the rosary, it's only natural for her to want to push Yumi past the initial hesitation and anxiety.