2012-12-29, 09:10 | Link #181 | |
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It seems like Sasuke will be the last living Uchiha unless Obito gets stuck in izanami and has to change his ways but Itachi is no longer around. Obito saw Naruto was doubting himself as he reached out for Obito's hand so it may be harder for Naruto to change Obito. Maybe Kakashi will reveal something about Rin which could help Naruto change Obito to be good. Last edited by TimeMask; 2012-12-30 at 08:06. |
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2012-12-29, 10:02 | Link #182 |
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He already got the most of it by killing Danzou. A sane person would have stopped there, since the people of konoha have nothing to do with it. But we see how insane Sasuke was: he attacked KillerBee who had nothing to do with konoha because a man who was Itachi's partner in killing his clan said that he should do so. So he made himself an enemy not only of konoha but the entire world for a man who not only participated actively in killing his clan but also he's probably the reason for all that happened. When Sasuke's insanity stops he will realize all this. He's already on a good way since he regained his rational thinking after he met Itachi.
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2012-12-29, 10:41 | Link #184 | |
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i took it to mean how obito was trying to psychologically cripple his opponent. madara was doing the same thing vs the kages. basically it's not just an attitude that beats the opponent physically but also breaks them down mentally |
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2012-12-29, 14:23 | Link #185 |
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I would had liked, if either of these scenarios would have happened:
1. Sakura would have realized that Sasuke is just a silly childhood crush that was way off and then she could have build feeling for Naruto in satisfying way. But Kishi seems to hate this kinda approach which is actually even small way realistic IRL. 2. Naruto would have realized that Sakura is silly bitch stalled on stupid childhood crush and just grew up of her and then developed a relationhip with e. g. Hinata or someone else in satisfying way. But what happened made everyone really hate Sakura, even though some people still tends to hope Naruto ends up with that delusional idiot. Hinata is not at all better when it's written like this. Who would marry someone just because they can't have anyone they would actually have feelings for. Yeah.. and I forgot 3. which still can happen, Naruto takes nobody during this manga and says "no" to Hinata.
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2012-12-29, 14:28 | Link #186 | |
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Heck these things don't even have to be that complicated as even subtle nods can serve well if executed right. For instance, just showing Naruto and Hinata hanging around each other during those moments of downtime talking about nothing would at the very least have shown a growing friendship which can be the set up for romance furthar down the line; you can find ways to imply that they have been getting closer off screen. In a more robust manner, hinata could have simply given a bigger role in the story thus giving more opportunities for her and Naruto to develop; For instance, adding her to the mission where they go after the akatsuki spy would have allowed her to play a similar role as sakura did when Naruto was consumed by the 4 tails. There are just so many way Kishi could have developed their relationship that would not have taken a great deal of extra effort or been distracting to the series. When it comes down to it, Naruhina does feel forced because we jump from nothing to something signficant; kishi couldn't be bothered to establish and develop their friendship and yet he pushes them into a relationship through the most contrived of ways even to the detriment of his over characters. Second of all, Kishi himself started the romance subplot back at the very beginning of the series. One of the most prominent aspects of Naruto's team was the love triangle between them; and that's not counting the secondary characters. Heck, Sakura's character could have practically been defined as the "usual school girl" in a ninja setting; kakashi himself said that girl's her age were more concerned with boyfriends than being ninjas . Can't just start something and then half-ass it Its not just leaving it to fans imagination, its being downright sloppy. He wants to have these relationships, but he doesn't actually want to put energy into developing them; that's what makes them feel forced.
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Stuff like Sharingan genjutsu, or sound based genjutsu seem to be way more useful. As a medical ninja, doing extensive genjutsu training would be a waste for her right now.
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2012-12-29, 15:18 | Link #189 |
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While it pains me to say this, its not really as if they're in a romantic relationship just yet. While many of us are assuming that's probably where Kishi is implying their relationship will be headed in the future, I wouldn't say that's where it's at currently. Yes, Hinata "loves" Naruto. That's been established from the very beginning. But at this point, I'm not entirely convinced those romantic feelings are mutual. All I would safely assume is that Naruto has officially come to acknowledge her as another very close friend who would gladly lay down her life for him. At the very least, I hope we can all agree that Kishi's provided enough framework for Naruto to plausibly feel that way about her. I mean she only had to play the meat shield role twice.
Assuming the two are still alive after the war, its safe to say, she'll no longer be mitigated in Naruto's mind as the shy but friendly acquaintance. With Hinata growing more of a backbone in her interactions with Naruto and with Naruto finally acknowledging her as something more than an acquaintance, we can definitely see how the two might actually start interacting more on a regular basis off-panel. Case in point, I think its wrong to a degree to fault Kishi as if he forced a NaruHina romantic relationship on us. At most, Hinata might've just been elevated to the same level of friendship and importance as Naruto's team 7 comrades. So I perceive these current chain of events to be Kishi's way of finally laying down a plausible, firm, foundation for an eventual *mutual* romantic relationship to be built upon (which seems to be exactly what you rather have seen from the get-go Slayerx). Granted, Kishi has not been very efficient at this, but hey--I guess its better late then never. Last edited by sayde; 2012-12-29 at 15:42. |
2012-12-29, 17:20 | Link #190 | |
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Of course when it comes to love interests the author goes to the extremes as usual, by that i mean that the characters just can't get over the fact that their love interest either doesn't love them back or they are killed. It's completely unrealistic that people like Jiraiya, Tsunade, Obito, etc. are sticking to someone who they loved at age of 12 and cannot move on with their life. If this was common the ninja world would be extinct within 2 or 3 generations considering at what high rate they die Well maybe that's why there are no Senju any more |
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2012-12-30, 07:37 | Link #191 | |
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I think that in a fighting shounen everyone should fight. Hinata is weak as hell and supposedly the medic of her team but she still fights and is arguably less boring than Sakura. As you said, Sakura is a medic. Most of the time she will be behind her team-mates. Genjutsu would allow her to provide support from a distance instead of putting herself at risk. She could've had superstrength as well as genjutsu. It wouldn't be a waste for her, it would only be a waste for those of us who don't care any more. Finally, compare Sakura to another female ninja, also from a normal family with no bloodline limits, no passed-down techniques or special chakra, who was also trained by one of the sannin for approximately the same amount of time as Sakura. Now remember how far Konan managed to push Obito (even to use Izanagi) and imagine how Sakura would fair against him. Konan would have probably defeated Tsunade if they fought. |
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2012-12-30, 10:48 | Link #192 | |
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2012-12-30, 16:19 | Link #193 | |
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What you state here is one great way to do so, but perhaps the extra effort isn't worth it when they're already quite successful as it is. Admittedly though, I have no idea how the manga industry works. I can remember reading American titles such as X-Men, Punisher and Spiderman back in the days... The pages were pretty full of dialogue; especially in comparison to this manga. ...But maybe the American titles aren't like that anymore, since that was a while ago. |
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2012-12-30, 20:22 | Link #195 |
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Were not talking about a real human being, there's no need to be so charitable with expressions like "probably didn't have time". Kishi could've crammed as many or as few techniques he wanted in those 3 years and there would be no reason to question it. As an example, Sasuke learned a shed-load, Naruto learned none. Simple fact of the matter is that he doesn't want to do anything with her which is why she came to be irrelevant.
Scout, healer, doesn't matter... they're all ninjas. Ninjas fight. Sakura is a ninja too, shes not a white mage. Tsunade isn't sitting safely in the back waiting for someone to carry the injured kage over to her. Tsunade wouldn't be able to do anything against Jiraiya either. She lost to a pre-timeskip Kabuto. Konan would beat Tsunade, easily. As for Sakura vs Obito, forget that. It was a bad example. Not that it's wrong; just that it's unfair on Sakura. Even with all of Konan's knowledge and time to prepare, even with an extra 100 years to prepare, Sakura would never be able to lay a scratch on Obito with the techniques she currently has. Just compare what Sakura's techniques do and what Obito's techniques do. Anyway, taking on a boss character isn't what I expected from Sakura at the start of part 2. I just thought she'd have a more protagonistic role than Tenten, and she doesn't. Last edited by Casshern; 2012-12-30 at 20:32. |
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It would be a fun match. Last edited by sayde; 2012-12-31 at 10:59. |
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konan was also pretty useless against jiraiya as Endscape pointed out. i dont think konan was on the sannin level at all. she wasn't on average akatsuki member level either. she was just nagato's friend/follower. i think tsunade would have wiped the floor with her |
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