Kanon 2006 (Generic Discussion)

[Bamse]

any chance this kanon will have a diffrent ending ?

didnt really like the ending of the other kanon. but it was not a bad ending

[npal]

Spoiler for ending:

Well, seeing as there's lots of Ayu in both OP and ED, I think the chances are slim unfortunately. Although it's KyoAni, the ending of AIR was very good, so I hope they don't keep the first Kanon ending per se, or hopefully change it altogether, but that's just me wishing

Edit: Note taken, just to be on the safe side, although I don't think it's spoilerish enough, personally, I hope for a different ending And hopefully with a different girl, too

[ordnance11]

Originally Posted by KenOhki'sRage

Oh heck yeah. It's like Kyon left Haruhi, moved to the Kanon universe and changed his name to Yuuichi.

What can we talk about without spoiler tags? I'm particularly interested in a discussion about that fox . . .

You know, I"m just thinking about that. Someone will have to do a fanfiction where Kyon gets blasted out of the Haruhi Universe and starts dimension hopping to series where his VA has voiced.

Let's see: Shuffle! (Really! Really! if it comes out), Kanon, Honey and Clover, Mahou Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS and of course the Haruhi universe.

[panzerfan]

That we can title: Kyon in wonderland.

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Bamse

any chance this kanon will have a diffrent ending ?

didnt really like the ending of the other kanon. but it was not a bad ending

Also just my speculation:
I have a feeling they'd be trampled by a herd of sacred cows if they changed the ending as in which girl he ends up with ... but I really *could* see them tweaking it so that it *looks* like he's heading in a different direction. That is kind of how the first series played out but they could mess with a lot of otaku minds by shifting the emphasis or the implications on their way to the endgame.

[justinstrife]

Since I was spoiled on the original anime, I will only be satisfied with that girl's ending again(however I'm okay with Vexx's idea of screwing with some fans' minds and making us think we're going in another direction. )

[orion]

You can only mess with this title so much before those rabid fans of the first ending get violent. Besides Visual Art's/Key would probably get violent too if they mess to much with their golden goose imo.

[Diedrupo]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

Another thing that Kyoani has done well is the feeling of "winter", Yuuchi's morning really showed that off well. I really felt cold just watching him walk outside in pyjamas.

Yeah that was definately amazing. I live in texas where the weather is still in the 90s, and even I felt the weather in Kanon! (I haven't even seen or felt snow in like 4 years).

I really want to recommend this show to my non-bishoujo game-loving friends. If anything the animation should suck them in even if they can't stand cute dumb girls.

[Wandering_Youth]

Mmm nostalgia...

I can't remember when I first saw the old Kanon, but I really enjoyed that anime a lot and that was the anime that got me hooked on Key/Visual Art's work.

Well, I just finished watching the first episode for the 2006 version and it was a trip down memory lane. Got to see Ayu again in her bandit get away scene so I'm happy. OMGawds, Tomokazu SUGITA is voicing for Yuuichi now?! That's just awsome, I liked the work he's done in the past for other animes and I think he does a better job than the original seiyu. It's too bad Horie Yui doesn't sound the same like the first time she voiced for Ayu. She did a better job when she voiced for Ayu in the old Kanon. The graphics overhaul reflects Key/Visual Art's artwork and that's how it should be! Yay! I'm going to stick around watch how this new Kanon works out.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Diedrupo

Yeah that was definately amazing. I live in texas where the weather is still in the 90s, and even I felt the weather in Kanon! (I haven't even seen or felt snow in like 4 years).

I really want to recommend this show to my non-bishoujo game-loving friends. If anything the animation should suck them in even if they can't stand cute dumb girls.

One of the reason I was ga-ga for this version was the snow. The snow looked great and the snow sound effects were dead on. Winter effects such as seeing your breath in cold areas was also a nice touch imo.

Good luck in showing this. I did exactly that yesterday and this is what happened to me. One person kept watching it off and on. One person there saw the old version and was convinced to try the new version. One person was scarred by his Rumbling Hearts experience and was hesistant to go near this title but he kept peeking at it. (It was too depressing when he saw RH elsewhere. I kept trying to tell him that this really isn't that depressing. He described watching Rumbling Hearts as constantly wanting to cut your wrists during the episodes and then being shown chibi stuff at the end to bring you back to normal. ) One person said that he didn't like it but kept peeking at it. One person never heard of Kanon and was asking questions about it. The rest avoided it (2 people).

[Diedrupo]

Originally Posted by orion

One of the reason I was ga-ga for this version was the snow. The snow looked great and the snow sound effects were dead on. Winter effects such as seeing your breath in cold areas was also a nice touch imo.

Good luck in showing this. I did exactly that yesterday and this is what happened to me. One person kept watching it off and on. One person there saw the old version and was convinced to try the new version. One person was scarred by his Rumbling Hearts experience and was hesistant to go near this title but he kept peeking at it. (It was too depressing when he saw RH elsewhere. I kept trying to tell him that this really isn't that depressing. He described watching Rumbling Hearts as constantly wanting to cut your wrists during the episodes and then being shown chibi stuff at the end to bring you back to normal. ) One person said that he didn't like it but kept peeking at it. One person never heard of Kanon and was asking questions about it. The rest avoided it (2 people).

Yeah it will be much harder for me because my aforementioned friends are girls. :P

[Minoto]

Originally Posted by orion

But Yuuichi is a softie at heart and not that sarcastic like Kyon was imo.

I think Yuuichi was actually more sarcastic, and outright rude at times...in the original Kanon, remember his crack about "the other team members are all snails and turtles" after Nayuki told him she was captain of the track team, and how he laughed right in her face after she tried to carry his bag but found it was too heavy. My biggest complaint with Sugita's voicing of him is that he's missing that bratty, sarcastic quality...he sounds too smooth now, to me.

[panzerfan]

The smoother brand of sarcasm to me is more potent. Yuiichi supposively is more brash than the urbane Kyon, but hey, it's been 7 years... it's time for Yuiichi to realize that venom must be used without having people develop immunity for it.

[The Avatar]

Originally Posted by npal

Well, seeing as there's lots of Ayu in both OP and ED, I think the chances are slim unfortunately. Although it's KyoAni, the ending of AIR was very good, so I hope they don't keep the first Kanon ending per se, or hopefully change it altogether, but that's just me wishing

Dude shouldn't this be in spoiler tags?

[orion]

Originally Posted by Diedrupo

Yeah it will be much harder for me because my aforementioned friends are girls. :P

Don't despair. The most receptive ones were the 2 females that saw it. Females like romantic fantasies too.

But npal, that was Air's true ending. The movie had a version of Air's alternate ending for Misuzu IIRC.

Spoiler:

So, probably the true Kanon ending will be done again. Of course, hearing a version of Momo's bell before Yuuichi's important flashbacks in ep. 1 may be alittle worrisome for fans of the original ending. I'll be getting the pitchfork ready just in case.

And Minato, this version of Yuuichi is a softie at heart. I like this one better. He appeals to the female audience and also to the male audience. It also makes him more believable with regards to Nayuki's and Ayu's situations.

[Minoto]

Originally Posted by orion

And Minato, this version of Yuuichi is a softie at heart. I like this one better. He appeals to the female audience and also to the male audience. It also makes him more believable with regards to Nayuki's and Ayu's situations.

I firmly believe that the original Yuuichi was a truly kind, warm-hearted guy underneath his sarcastic exterior.

Spoiler for examples from later episodes:

Consider his standing up for Mai at school during the day, and taking her food and even trying to fight beside her at night -- sure, his actions were inspired partly by the simple desire to figure out what was going on, but he showed true concern for her as well. Or think of his kindness to Shiori, taking her out for a date on her birthday and doing everything he could to make her feel like a normal girl. He even did his best to take care of Makoto when she fell ill, despite all the fights and pranks that had gone on between them up to that point. By no means was he just a one-dimensional jerk.

Softening his sarcasm takes away from that -- before, he was a more interesting character, a good-hearted guy who was a little insecure about that and covered up for it with with quick, sarcastic wit. In other words, a very believable teenage male. Now, he's coming off as more of a one-dimensional, generic nice-guy character who's less involving and less interesting, at least to me.

I'm also not sure that the newer, softer Yuuichi is really any more believable with regards to Nayuki or Ayu...the same kindness was there before; it was just a little deeper below the surface.

Spoiler for Nayuki and Ayu:

If I had to pick one word to describe his relationship with both of them, it would be "conflicted". He took Nayuki for granted until late in the story, but once her feelings became clear, he seemed genuinely regretful for not having realized, and sorry that his thoughtlessness had hurt her. The kinder, gentler Yuuichi now seems like the kind of guy who should pick up on her feelings much sooner, making the original story actually less believable.

Likewise for Ayu -- once he finally realized just who she was, he was almost crushed that he hadn't understood sooner and been kinder to her while he had the chance; that was part of what drove him to find the angel doll and bring her back with the last wish. Again, his new personality seems like it will lessen the dramatic tension.

[radister]

Originally Posted by Minoto

I firmly believe that the original Yuuichi was a truly kind, warm-hearted guy underneath his sarcastic exterior.

why i admit the new guy Yuuichi diffrent from the orignal Yuuichi.
i'm not to sure about some of what you said

Originally Posted by Minoto

Spoiler for Nayuki and Ayu:

If I had to pick one word to describe his relationship with both of them, it would be "conflicted". He took Nayuki for granted until late in the story, but once her feelings became clear, he seemed genuinely regretful for not having realized, and sorry that his thoughtlessness had hurt her. The kinder, gentler Yuuichi now seems like the kind of guy who should pick up on her feelings much sooner, making the original story actually less believable.

Spoiler for Reply to Spoiler:

I think that if the new Yuuichi was put into that place in the oringal, that he also would not see her felling till later. i know i can't tell from just one ep, but his mind seems more focused in this one and set on goals. ture his nice but he doesn't seem as lazy as the one in the orginal. thats why in the original i felt Yuuichi didn't face up to it becuase he didn't want to deal with it. this time i fell that he will be so focused on doing something he complete doesn't even see it coming. but thats just my views on it

i belive that maybe we should give him a chance. before we start ripping him apart as well.

[Minoto]

Originally Posted by radister

Spoiler for Reply to Spoiler:

I think that if the new Yuuichi was put into that place in the oringal, that he also would not see her felling till later. i know i can't tell from just one ep, but his mind seems more focused in this one and set on goals. ture his nice but he doesn't seem as lazy as the one in the orginal. thats why in the original i felt Yuuichi didn't face up to it becuase he didn't want to deal with it. this time i fell that he will be so focused on doing something he complete doesn't even see it coming. but thats just my views on it

i belive that maybe we should give him a chance. before we start ripping him apart as well.

That's an interesting theory, and does seem entirely possible. And I don't mean to rip him apart -- I'm not thrilled by the change so far, but it's much too early to know for sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. It's just fun to analyze and debate while we wait for the next episode...

[radister]

Originally Posted by Minoto

That's an interesting theory, and does seem entirely possible. And I don't mean to rip him apart -- I'm not thrilled by the change so far, but it's much too early to know for sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. It's just fun to analyze and debate while we wait for the next episode...

agreed, analyze is fun
and we get 24ep this time so we got alot of left ahead of us

[orion]

I agree too. Analyzing is fun.

Spoiler:

Since this one is a problem solver, more of a softie and attached to Ayu fast, his realization and response will be all the more painful to watch. Of course, Matoko's resolution was very painful and comes first. Momo's bell isn't helping the situation any. It was pure evil to play with our minds by including that in before particular flashbacks imo.

Oops, sorry for misspelling your name Minoto.