2011-05-16, 02:53 | Link #1143 |
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I listen to animeNFO's radio and when Denpa Onna's song comes by (it has happened too many times) I just shut it down, full stop! Haven't heard HanaIro's OP yet though. Then again, trying to shut it down before the first few seconds is impossible, unless I saw it coming.
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The OP of Denpa actually quite meaningful to say the truth
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HanaIro OP, if I was say 15 or 16, I probably would have liked it because that was the time I was indulging in pop-punk music and teen dramas (mainly Western ones). The OP really gives a teen drama feel to it which makes it fitting with the atmosphere of the show (or use to at least). Too bad I'm 23 now, and I've grown out of pop-punk music so it's kinda of ear-grinding for me atm, but I still hold it as suitable for the shows former atmosphere. |
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2011-05-16, 06:33 | Link #1147 |
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agree, as for the pop-style, fortunately or unfortunately that is the back-bone of Japanese music. Just the sole fact that a lot of last 90s' pop singers are still popular and sings pop music as they approachs 30 and its original boy band group SMAP is now considered as super group legend and have being on top of of Japanese music industry for 20 years now and still sings pop music in their mid-to-late 30s is a testament to that.
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2011-05-16, 14:42 | Link #1150 |
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I just replied out of reflex and haven't really listen to Denpo's OP. (I was queuing it up for viewing later beause I heard that the LN is very good and never was interested in it and thought to give anime a chance once I got more time)
Well, I'll second that the song s@#ked. But to be fair, that "thing" is not J-pop and HanaIro's OP is light-years better.
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Moving this here to comply with Pell's request on the Episode 7 thread...
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That being said, I can see limited time allotment being an issue for adaptation work, as you sometimes have to cram loads and loads of source material into a relatively small time-frame of anime episodes. But that's not an excuse for an anime original like Angel Beats! or Hana-Saku Iroha, of course. Quote:
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Imagine, if you will, that Stephen King released two new and different horror novels at the same time. They'd inevitably be compared with each other (especially by Stephen King fans), and I think that it's just human nature for people to do so. I see Hana-Saku Iroha and Anohana has being much like that, only on a smaller scale. True Tears, by the way, was also wrote by Okada and also produced by PA Works. So, again, comparing Hana-Saku Iroha to True Tears is kind of like comparing a new Stephen King novel to an older one. Quote:
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But in a class with Anohana, Steins;Gate, Tiger and Bunny, Denpa Onna, and the list can go on and on, the competition is pretty fierce.
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2011-05-16, 17:58 | Link #1152 |
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I think someone (or some people?) on the Episode 7 thread said it best and it mirrors my own sentiments regarding HanaIro at the moment - the series is not necessarily having an identity crisis per se, and it's not necessarily about any perceived expectations that people may have placed on the series based on the first two episodes (which were actually strong). What seems to be getting a few people is the manner in which the writing makes its transitions from funny to serious (and back again), which has been jarring to say the least.
A series can have bouts of comedy with drama (and vice versa), that's pretty standard in all forms of fiction, but it has to "flow" from one state to the next to make the overall "feel" of the series clear and consistent. A predominantly-comedy series shouldn't take sharp dramatic turns purely to dampen the mood. Likewise, a predominantly-dramatic series should take a more light-hearted approach to the funnies instead of a sudden bout of slapstick silly. As I said in my post for Episode 7, the Tomoe episode is the right way to do light-hearted side character development (as opposed to Episode 3), though to appreciate that you'd have to see that Episode 6 was also a turn towards the lighter-hearted side of things after the relatively-heavy Episodes 4 and 5, with Episode 7 following on. Nonetheless, Episode 7 will keep me watching methinks (at least for a few more episodes XD). It's still definitely a good series with potential (and the story seems to be taking big steps in upcoming episodes), and we have a long way to go before we can really judge. I just hope it obtains a bit more consistency in the long-run... ^_^;;; O-O~
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Responding to some off topic points in the episode 7 thread:
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While I agree that Ohana is played sympathetically, I'm not sure how this precludes her misfortune being a source of comedy. In fact, I'd say her comical misfortune is endearing. This is also why I don't see episode 3 as such a dramatic break from the first two. To me, the first three episodes form an introductory arc about Ohana arriving at the inn and settling in. Episodes one and two constantly escalated the challenges for Ohana, and then episode 3 provided a "mini climax" of sorts. The end of episode 2 certainly hinted that something crazy was about to occur. Granted, it was a bit crazier than I expected - I was expecting something more along the lines of Tomoe beating Jiromaru into submission with the broom, but it didn't feel particularly out of place. After that, we spent two episode dealing with the most notable of the plot threads the early episode dangled in front of the audience - that of Ohana's relationship to Minko - and then spent two episodes concentrating on humour before (judging by next week's preview), hitting the drama button, presumably as a bit of a breather. Nowhere did I find this progression of events jarring - the fact Ohana's misfortune was played for laughs told me we would likely be getting some pretty off the wall scenarios from time to time. Quote:
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With all due respect, if you think this show is only slightly better than a generic mess, you need to watch a lot more mind-numbingly generic anime.
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Because I see what I perceive to be issues among both shows, and they have different writers, there's gotta be something else up. I mean, I've seen Mari Okada praised to the high heavens often, so naturally expectations were high. So if whatever issues they have aren't resolved, it'll hurt this and later works. Quote:
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My point is that it is possible to screw up a good story through execution. I obviously don't know who exactly to blame, so the studio gets the flak. And it's anime original, so we can't blame a source. Quote:
Angel Beats was not bad and I enjoyed it, but it's not really something I'd want to rewatch. I can't even remember half the characters. I'd rather Hana Saku Iroha be more than that.
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2011-05-21, 17:40 | Link #1158 | |
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When did KamiNomi (The world only God knows) ever made fun of incest and made it soft-core porn? It only made reference of stereotypical anime imouto in episode one and the rest of series is more about poking fun on bishojo game character types (non-eroge, as matter of fact) and actually has a main plot (as shown in S2 and Manga). Yosuga no Sora was the only anime dealt with incest directly and can be considered as "incest soft-porn" and the other borderline one that you "might" be able to make a case is Oreimo (incest maybe, soft-porn no) and Hyakka Ryouran (definitely soft-porn, arguable incest) As far as Fall 2010 v.s. Spring 2011 line-up that's up to each's opinion. But 2 Ch. and Chinese forum seems to rate both fairly equally, if not that Fall 2010 to be a bit better if you put anticipation actual work to context. The most well regarded anime this season are Aoi no Exorcist, Hana-Iro, Anohana and KamiNomi S2. On the other hand, most considers Aria, Dog Days and Steins Gate to be severely lacking and disappointing adaption and getting flamed for it. And the only real surprise being Tiger & Bunny. On the other hand, Fall 2010 Anime is headed by KamiNomi S1, To Aru Index, Oreimo, Star Driver, Bakuman, Arakawa under bridge, and Yogusa no Sora. And surprising (better than anticipate) titles from Ika Musume, Soredemo, Panty & Stocking, and Otome Youkai. As well as cult-favorites like To-Love, SRW, Sora no Otoshimono, etc. Almost no series in that season got much flames with exception of M.M. and Hyakka Ryouran, but both were more due to poor adaption and excess censor than anything else.
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Of course, that's just my opinion, and I really don't give a damn about what 2ch or chinese forums think. But the list of shows for Fall still seems pretty unimpressive to me. My point was that if this show had aired in Fall, it would be been top of the list.
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Something I've noticed in this series is that there's a significant amount of BGM and pop-punk insert songs. OP, Episode 1 insert, Episode 6 insert, Episode 8 insert etc. Sure they're a bit overly cutesy and "whiny" and thus is more music aimed at middle or high schoolers (and not something I would listen by itself on my iPod or anything), it does fit in pretty well with the series - gives it a teen drama feel to it. Must compliment the production staff of P.A. Works for it.
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