Higurashi Kai Episode 5 Discussion / Poll

[dspr8_rugged]

I actually visited this thread this morning. What really caught my attention are the ratings people have given this episode. I've never seen so much 10's.

And after seeing the episode, wow, this episode really deserves a top score. Not because there were a lot of casualties, but this was the first episode in both seasons that made me so emotional. I really felt so sad for Satoko...

[Kazuki_Kun]

Wow, one of the greatest episodes ever. o_o; very emotional. I have one question though, don't read if you dont want possible big spoilers x_x;

Spoiler for the nurse:

Okay I'm wondering, I haven't read the tips or anything like that, nor read summaries of the last 2 arcs, but that nurse, was in Takano it disguise?

[Mystearika]

i really liked the ep

deen has done a good job on this arc, cant wait to minagoroshi

ohh i felt really sorry for riika this whole arc, its not a wonder dark rika is so bitter, and pesimistisk.

and poor satoko



in the next arc i hope there more keiichi, hes a pretty cool char,

hope they animate his past

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Kazuki_Kun

Spoiler for the nurse:

Okay I'm wondering, I haven't read the tips or anything like that, nor read summaries of the last 2 arcs, but that nurse, was in Takano it disguise?

Spoiler for nurse:

What makes you think it is takano?
Do you think she is also able to change her face completely? while i agree the hair isn't a problem, the proportions of her eyes and head are hardly something you can alter ^^

[JokerD]

And Ooshi once again proved that his useless other than being a intimidator of children. And this time it's a comatose one.

Just a thought that Rika doesn't know what comes after her death (she's dead after all) and so thinks that if she dies, everyone else gets saved. Which is not the case. And everyone 'follows' her to the next world.

[Klashikari]

^ That is not quite correct. Ooishi proved to be extremely sharp with various point. In Reunion and this episode, various points are extremely important an make sense. (as far as we can see, his theory about Rena is quite personal. the rest is just oblivious to why Rena's hat was in such place)
As for his actions towards Satoko, it isn't really an harassment, but to make her snap out of her "vegetable state".

as for the other statement, it is really hard to determine. In episode 4, she said she will die then everyone will die. but indeed, she believed satoko will survive if she stay like this. that means a lot of points aren't really available for Rika's knowledge.

[Kazuki_Kun]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Spoiler for nurse:

What makes you think it is takano?
Do you think she is also able to change her face completely? while i agree the hair isn't a problem, the proportions of her eyes and head are hardly something you can alter ^^

Spoiler for nurse:

Hmm, yeah, you're right, but the nurse did seem awfully suspicious, and Takano is also a nurse that seems suspicious too. So I tried putting the both of them together ^^;

[Exilon]

as for the other statement, it is really hard to determine. In episode 4, she said she will die then everyone will die. but indeed, she believed satoko will survive if she stay like this. that means a lot of points aren't really available for Rika's knowledge.

Such as what happens after she dies.

I think it's safe to assume, at this point, that we already know much more about the events that surround Rika than rika herself. One example is Onikakushi-hen. If you notice, rika isn't present at all, and so, is a little oblivious to what's happening with Keichi. Another example: Tatarigoroshi-hen. Though she is more present, and seems to know many things, ultimately she doesn't know about Keichi's real dillema.

Speaking of Tatarigoroshi-hen, in that arc,

Spoiler:

Rika is killed at the end of the day, instead of late night (if my memory doesn't fail me). Although this doesn't alter much stuff, I think that it proves the time Rika dies is losely based on Satoko's presence, though there is alot of random factors involved.

Also, good job on noticing that small hint about the fumigation on episode 26! IT cleared up a thing (or two) about

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How they all ended up at school, if I'm not wrong.

[Garet Linegod]

Originally Posted by Exilon

Also, good job on noticing that small hint about the fumigation on episode 26! IT cleared up a thing (or two) about

Spoiler:

How they all ended up at school, if I'm not wrong.

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Would the fumigation have spreaded so far that it would cover the entire Hinamizawa area? Personally I thought it was just a trick Rena used to enclose all the kids inside the school before she begins her plan.

[Kryptik]

I'd been lurking here for a while since I started watching the first season of Higurashi, all up to Kai.

This is the episode that made me register.

What can be said except Holy Jumping Monkey Crap... Even though I spoiled myself earlier on what happened, watching the actual episode still sent shivers through me in a way I hadn't felt since Onikakushi-hen and Watanagashi-hen. Wrought emotions, tragedy, and the pain of seeing a little girl struggle against the impossible, only for the overbearing forces to crush down on her before the truth can be told. Point by point...

1) Rika resigning herself to her fate just so Satoko can live (however misguided) made me cry. Just her sad "We'll see each other in the next world..."...

2) The sheer horror Satoko shows at finding Rika murdered, then seeing the aftermath of the Disaster....cripes. How much crap can you put a little girl through? Seriously, why are the chibis the ones that get the crap end of the world stick here? ;_;

3) The answers. Oh lord....

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a) We find out, without ambiguity, that the 'janitors' are bad mojo. You got the sense in Onikakushi, a better sense in Himitsubushi, but here, you find out that there's some SERIOUS crap going on. The silencer in the last ep. was a clue, but night vision goggles, combat knives, the fact that THEY killed Rika for whatever means, it blows away any sense of what they were really up to in past arcs (especially Himitsubushi, where you're led to believe that they're part in parcel with the Sonozaki family).

b) The disaster itself. Like people have pointed out, it's strange that they're all at the school like that, even those that shouldn't be, that they're there at MIDNIGHT, and that they're in casual clothes. Not to mention that the way the younger kids are piled is extremely EXTREMELY suspicious. Whereas everyone else looks like they could have plausibly died where they stood, the kids looked herded to where they were.

c) The conspiracy goes even further, as Satoko's 'nurse' and the poor child's eventual 'passing' prove. Whatever happened here, it stretches far and wide and isn't just constrained to suspicions of the Sonozakis, or just the 'janitors'.

While Reunion planted the seeds, this is definitely the ep where those who have just the anime to rely on know that this was no disaster. This was a massacre.

4) Finally...I'm not sure how, but despite the general lack of blood or visual killings, this ended up feeling the most gruesome and unsettling of all the chapter climaxes so far. Not only Satoko's reaction to finding Rika, but the school. God, those are expressions to burn into your head....

I literally don't think I have the patience to wait for Minagoroshi to start now.

[Kryptik]

Originally Posted by Exilon

Also, good job on noticing that small hint about the fumigation on episode 26! IT cleared up a thing (or two) about

Spoiler:

How they all ended up at school, if I'm not wrong.

Not so sure about that.

Spoiler:

For one thing, why the school, at Midnight? Even with the fumigation, there's no reason why they couldn't have waited it out in their own homes, right?

[Exilon]

Originally Posted by Garet Linegod

Spoiler:

Would the fumigation have spreaded so far that it would cover the entire Hinamizawa area? Personally I thought it was just a trick Rena used to enclose all the kids inside the school before she begins her plan.

Spoiler:

I don't think so. I say that it is a thing to consider not because it is a fumigation, but because it's a reason why everyone must stay indoors. (Or so it is made to believe). Doesn't that sound a little suspicious? This is just my opinion, though. I might be wrong.

[NH1976]

I doubt Rena could have made up a fumigation story. Even tough it make some sense, she couldn't have made a phone call to anyone in the school without her voice being recognized.

Spoiler:

Not to mention that the way the younger kids are piled is extremely EXTREMELY suspicious. When i read this sentence, i immediatly imagined some inspector carefully examinating the stockpile of dead children with a magnifying glass and saying: Uh oh ... there is a pile of dead children here... i find this definitely suspicious.

I am not at all mocking you Kryptic and y share your conclusions about those men in gray, i just found the sentence funny when pulled out of context.

[kj1980]

Originally Posted by Kryptik

2) The sheer horror Satoko shows at finding Rika murdered, then seeing the aftermath of the Disaster....cripes. How much crap can you put a little girl through? Seriously, why are the chibis the ones that get the crap end of the world stick here? ;_;

Not to mention the crap that Satoko went through prior to this: being ostracized by the villagers of Hinamizawa, living with an abusive uncle and aunt, her beloved nii-nii onikakushi'ed...perhaps the most strongest person in Higurashi might be Satoko.

Originally Posted by Kryptik

What can be said except Holy Jumping Monkey Crap... Even though I spoiled myself earlier on what happened, watching the actual episode still sent shivers through me in a way I hadn't felt since Onikakushi-hen and Watanagashi-hen. Wrought emotions, tragedy, and the pain of seeing a little girl struggle against the impossible, only for the overbearing forces to crush down on her before the truth can be told. Point by point...

See, this is how the first season of Higurashi should've played out. Not some degenerate remarks of "Killer lolis WTF LOL" or some misconceptions of Oishi = Mr. Delicious (whomever made this remark should be drug out to the street and shot as well). The sense of Kei's helplessness wasn't captured well in the anime version of Tatarigoroshi, but they managed to rejuvegnate it via Satoko in this season's Yakusamashi.

So far, the first five episodes were outstanding as they were new episodes that even game players can applaud for because of it's originality. Now here comes the part where DEEN will need to make their biggest impression - Minagoroshi-hen. Will they be able to provide the ambience of hope, despair, bravery, emotive praise, prospectiveness, and finally - vexation? If sincerely hope they can portray Minagoroshi in a manner that brings the anime viewers the same emotional response as game players had gone through.

Altough, I can already foresee that the anime will be grasping everyone's attention as we Hanyuu making her first visual appearance (aside from the OP and ED) wwww

[Exilon]

Originally Posted by Kryptik

Not so sure about that.

Spoiler:

For one thing, why the school, at Midnight? Even with the fumigation, there's no reason why they couldn't have waited it out in their own homes, right?

Spoiler:

First things first. You don't know for sure if the fumigation story is true or not - or if even happened in Yakusamashi. I don't think so, as we would be probably hear a commentary about it from someone, which didn't happen. And, if it was true, it doesn't really make a difference. Let's look at some facts then:

1) Everyone was piled up at the school. Even the elders of the Sonozaki and Kimiyoshi family were there. So, it is safe to assume that, either they were taken there, or they went there of they own free will. This gives us a lose idea of location.

2) They all have their casual clothing on. This gives us an indication of time - it wasn't during the morning as they don't have their seifukus, and it probably wasn't late at night or they'd be wearing pijamas. The only option left is afternoon. But why would everyone be at school in the afternoon? And how late or early in the afternoon?

3) Rena isn't present. She "went missing". But her hat was found near the mountains. This gives an idea of her location when she died. (in the middle of the mountains). Now, we saw Rena running around and being killed, but it was Satoko's perspective. Therefore, there might be some variances, like the time. It's possible it wasn't night when she was being chased.

4) Some people, like Rena, went missing, leaving no traces of their whereabouts. I think it's also safe to assume that their course of action was similar to Rena's - so, they are "exceptions", "exceptions" because their actions didn't follow everyone else's pattern (appearing dead in the school). So, what pattern did it follow?

5) Finnaly, there's Satoko. As some might have noticed, she was just like Rena, (running away from the janitors) with a slight difference. Satoko escaped them while Rena didn't. So, Satoko is another one of those "exceptions", and now we know the "exceptions" pattern - they probably ran away from the janitors.

With this, the realy mistery is not what happened at that night, but rather what happened starting from 14 PM to 1 AM that made everyone appear at school except the people that tried to escape the janitors.

Right about now, I'd say this is the pattern: (withy many possibilities) person is found (and maybe killed)/person is called to school for a fake reason ------> tries to run away/is taken to school/dies -----> is killed/is dead and is dumped at school.

It seems a bit messy, but maybe I'll try to make a clearer scheme. There are many possibilities right now.

[sasuke13]

I agree with Ooishi at the end, that WAS f---ed up xD

[kgptzac]

Originally Posted by kj1980

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First of all, I would like to thank Ryukishi07 for formally coming into this as an advisor to the series to fix the errors of the previous season. The previous season was dogged with mistakes that made Higurashi fans cry in disgust - from so called "killer lolis" (it's not supposed to be that type of story!), awkward emo facial features, leaving out primarily-subtle-but-nevertheless-very-important scenes...the list goes on. Higurashi is supposed to be focused on murder-suspense-horror...not a story that is focused on "killer lolis" (whomever thought of this term should be drug out to the street and shot) going around becoming psychotic and killing people.

Anyhow this is episode's outline was pure Ryukishi's format of writing. You have the thriller scene, the descent into anxiety and then into helplessness. What was the most pure Ryukishi moment was the cruel twist of fate that is at the end -the answer to everything being in sight of Oishi-san, and BAM!! It would've been more powerful if they had done the "Higurashi explosion" at the end just like in the game, but what the hey.

And not only that, this episode has given the game players a better insight to what might've happened to Kei when he died of his supposed "heart attack" at the epilogue of Tatarigoroshi.

Hopefully we'll get to see more Hanyuu action in the next episode or two.

Spoiler for .:

From what I have seen so far Higurashi's first and second season are two types of story. Yes the killer lolis are what's on surface with the first season, especailly with Onikakushi-hen and Mion/Shion's emo killings. Btw, I personally think the term "killer lolis" is very descriptive of what everyone would consider after seeing the earlier Chapters. After reading the spoiler I'd say Higurashi provided different types of content for different people.

So I guess I enjoy more the psyco thriller/suspense more than the mystery part

Originally Posted by Kazuki_Kun

Spoiler for the nurse:

Okay I'm wondering, I haven't read the tips or anything like that, nor read summaries of the last 2 arcs, but that nurse, was in Takano it disguise?

Spoiler for nurse:

The nurse is not Takano in disguise, her suspisous actions shoud be caused by prejudice against Houjou family or some kind of fear for the only survivor of Hinamizawa Disaster.

Btw no wonder I feel familiar with her voice... The nurse's seiyuu is Tomonaga. I like her character in Remember 11 ^^

[Ishikawa Minoru]

All things considered Higurashi no Naku Koro ni has, among other more important things, lolis who kill. In that regarding, it's a pretty straight forward and not so technically wrong description of the show.

On the other hand, I too feel anyone who watches the show just to see them wreck havoc is very simple minded. In fact, while I do feel sorry and some sympathy for Keiichi, Rena and the gang, I actually feel closer to someone else...because I can understand the way it thinks (for those not in the know, I used 'it' because I didn't want to reveal the gender of the person I'm referring to).

[Omfgbbqwtf]

Great episode... and to answer the question regarding why so many people are present at school, this is what i think....

I think it was the "soldiers" who put the bodies in the classroom (since the school has the largest room to contain all the bodies) in order to count how many casualties there are.

[BakaOnna]

Dang that episode owned. What a rollar coaster of emotional goodness. 10 from me.

Anyway, I never really gave thought to the fact that Keiichi's "heart failure" death in Tatarigoroshi-hen may not have been actual heart failure. At least, that's what I got out of this episode.

Also, about the nurse:

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Since Takano is a nurse, it shouldn't be surprising if she had been in contract with her or worked with her before. She did seem very suspicious