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Janifuu · 2009-03-06, 02:28

Perfect 10 on this ep. for me. It comes to show how much Ryuuji does indeed love and want/need Taiga in his life, hes pretty much a wreck without her. And I love Yasuko so much more after watching this, shes such a wonderful mother

BlueDo · 2009-03-06, 02:33

This is the first time in the anime where Ryuuji finally sees how Taiga's trying to help him out as best as she can.
Great episode.

ThoHell · 2009-03-06, 02:36

hmm, sounds like this series is finally doing some relationship development. Guess I should pick it back up. Or is it still just a lot of comedy with little of anything else?

Peanutbutter · 2009-03-06, 02:42

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Originally Posted by ThoHell

hmm, sounds like this series is finally doing some relationship development. Guess I should pick it back up. Or is it still just a lot of comedy with little of anything else?

Well, there's some unnecessary ramen eating in this episode.

frivolity · 2009-03-06, 02:45

Just watched the episode with Coalguys subs. Definitely a 10 from me.

It's been mentioned by everyone, but Minori's focus on keeping busy comes about because she's running away from the truth. Rather than believing in ghosts (love) that she cannot see, she would rather keep the things she can see (friendship with Taiga), and devote her efforts on tangible things (work). Ami's incisiveness is, once again, impressive. While Minori was spouting all kinds of metaphors, Ami stole the thunder with just one line - "You want to say that if I just watch and don't interfere, everything will turn out fine, right?"

On a side note, I sometimes speak with obscure metaphors like Minori did. The point of it, imo, isn't in letting the other person know what you're talking about, but more of deriving satisfaction from how you've left clues for the other person, even if they never understood it. It's sort of shifting the blame from you having not told the other person, to him/her not figuring out what you've said.

The last 5 minutes of the episode where Taiga appeared at the doorstep of the Takasu residence was beautifully crafted. It was as though the atmosphere and dynamics of the show had returned to the way the previous episodes were. It had the same feel as the scene in the villa with the dimmed lights, with Taiga commenting that with just her and Ryuuji in the room, it felt as though they were back in the apartment even though they were in a huge room. Ryuuji turned back to normal with Taiga around, rather than his broody self earlier in the episode. It was as if I was watching ToraDora! again (not that the earlier half wasn't ToraDora, but it felt different).

Best quote of the episode (for how I LOLed):
Whatever, talking to you feels like having a period - Ami

Vexx · 2009-03-06, 02:52

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Originally Posted by ThoHell

hmm, sounds like this series is finally doing some relationship development. Guess I should pick it back up. Or is it still just a lot of comedy with little of anything else?

... no, nothing but ramen eating the whole time.
(what the hell?

?)

Back to the discussion and Ami's witty quips:
I'm really going to have to listen to the dialog closely when I get a chance to watch the sub and see if Ami really said anything remotely like that. Though it is a great line....

Master Chibi · 2009-03-06, 03:02

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Originally Posted by ThoHell

hmm, sounds like this series is finally doing some relationship development. Guess I should pick it back up. Or is it still just a lot of comedy with little of anything else?

hmmmm there's hasn't been an actual freaking relationship since the show started, but hey thanks for joining us!

In other news, Ami is the most delicious bitch I've ever come across in anime.

"Talking to you is like being on my period?"

Ooooh, hurt me baby, please~!

<3

Peanutbutter · 2009-03-06, 03:20

Okay, realised I got something wrong while watching.

Spoiler:

Tsukuyomii · 2009-03-06, 05:13

lol, Amy had some awesome stuff to say in this episode... XD

"Now that the kid is at home, daddy can do whatever he wants..."
"Don't go near me. Stupidity is contagious."
"Talking to you is like having a period..."

XDXD I really liked the fight between them. Also, Minori kept going back to the ghost and "seeing" things over and over again...
I was able to follow it, but I think the conversation between the two was a little "high" for normal viewers.

So, in simple words, Minori is scared of love because it's the first time she's feeling it.
Well, as we know this "freaky-crazy" girl, she can just enter the class and kiss Ryuuji infront of everyone!
...But as we know anime and novels, it wont happen. >,>

physics223 · 2009-03-06, 05:32

I find it ironic that I've written more about this episode than the previous one, which is arguably the climax of the series. Nevertheless, this episode is quite revelatory, especially regarding Minori's perceptions in life and Ami's as well.

KingOfWorlds · 2009-03-06, 07:41

"Talking to you feels like having a Period"
Damn! Lol
Ami can be mean as shit when she want to

-Sho- · 2009-03-06, 07:45

Just watch this episode :

Great episode .
Taiga was with her mother . I want to see how is her mother ^^
Ryuji lie to Taiga , he didn't want that she worry .
Ryuji with his mother moment was good ^^
Minorin change , she will get wha she want now ^^ So , do she will move forward and confess to Ryuji ?
Ami was still angry ... poor ami ...
Well , We saw once again that Ryuji is better with Taiga "As i thought being with Taiga is the best"

Next episode : Valentine's day , it will be good ^^ Taiga in maid outfit

Ryuji will get 3 chocolates ? ^^
3 more episodes ..

typhonsentra · 2009-03-06, 08:28

AM I the only one who got a "Honey and Clover" vibe from the ramen shop owner? The way those guys were glowing over the guy's "Attack" was pretty reminiscent of the ones from those teachers fawning over Takemoto's "Spirit of youth".

Liddo-kun · 2009-03-06, 08:51

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Originally Posted by Tsukuyomii

So, in simple words, Minori is scared of love because it's the first time she's feeling it.
Well, as we know this "freaky-crazy" girl, she can just enter the class and kiss Ryuuji infront of everyone!
...But as we know anime and novels, it wont happen. >,>

I think even if Minori kisses him in class it's already too late because Ryuuji has already realized he likes Taiga.

MeoTwister5 · 2009-03-06, 10:01

Dammit I was expecting Ryuuji to man it up and admit it was him who carried her up that snowy hill and who heard her confessed delirium.

Anyway a not so action-packed episode, most likely as it seems a bridging episode to the last 3.

Fran~ · 2009-03-06, 10:13

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Originally Posted by Tsukuyomii

So, in simple words, Minori is scared of love because it's the first time she's feeling it.

No... Minori is scared because loving can ruin her dreams...

But... she isn't scared of love because it's the fist time... is scared of ruin her dreams and her friendship. As we saw, she is ok with her decision about follow her future and see Ryuuji and Taiga happy. Congatulations Minori... you are one terrific woman.

Maciste · 2009-03-06, 10:24

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Dammit I was expecting Ryuuji to man it up and admit it was him who carried her up that snowy hill and who heard her confessed delirium.

QFTW!

At the end of this ep, I thought maybe Ami should be finally clearer to Ryuji and present him with a pair of big plastic balls (sorta "after x-mas present-o). So he can attach them and finally show some development/get rid of his dullness.

Btw, if Ryuji is the father and Minorin the mother, then Ami is the "oh so witty" & cynical granny.

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Anyway a not so action-packed episode, most likely as it seems a bridging episode to the last 3.

I agree and somehow get the feeling, that Ryuji's overcoming of his own dullness, will represent the final conclusion (otherwise we would have seen this sorta development way earlier in the series).

ElementSun · 2009-03-06, 11:21

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Originally Posted by typhonsentra

AM I the only one who got a "Honey and Clover" vibe from the ramen shop owner? The way those guys were glowing over the guy's "Attack" was pretty reminiscent of the ones from those teachers fawning over Takemoto's "Spirit of youth".

Well, Honey and Clover and Toradora were both directed by the same person :P

Miles Teg · 2009-03-06, 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fran~

No... Minori is scared because loving can ruin her dreams...

But... she isn't scared of love because it's the fist time... is scared of ruin her dreams and her friendship. As we saw, she is ok with her decision about follow her future and see Ryuuji and Taiga happy. Congatulations Minori... you are one terrific woman.

You should remove the spoiler, it's material that should appear in episode 23.

Fran~ · 2009-03-06, 11:43

done... but we already discuss that... but im ok with it.

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2009-03-06, 03:20	Link #108
Peanutbutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Okay, realised I got something wrong while watching. Spoiler: Ryuuji actually circled "work" in the form at the start of his second year, not "college" as I thought in an earlier post. I still quite can't get on the rush on Yasuko's end to start working more. I guess I just have to accept that though it's still a year away, she has to start now so she can save enough to send Ryuuji through college. And finally I got the full gist of what Minorin said, maybe this was influenced by another comment I read somewhere, but really to her, she doesn't want to immerse herself in something that she cannot see, cause what she can't see will confuse her, and prevent her from forwarding on with she can see. She wants to reciprocate her feelings for Ryuuji but because of Taiga, because of her goals in life, she feels she can't do that. Life priorities over love, I guess. Acceptable, from my point of view, cause her objectives have always been the one to keep her going. Hope to see her background fully fleshed out before the end. An interesting character in my opinion and worthy of respect in some way or another. Last edited by Peanutbutter; 2009-03-06 at 03:33.

2009-03-06, 05:32	Link #110
physics223 In the Tatami Galaxy ↓ Join Date: Feb 2006	I find it ironic that I've written more about this episode than the previous one, which is arguably the climax of the series. Nevertheless, this episode is quite revelatory, especially regarding Minori's perceptions in life and Ami's as well. __________________ anime\|otaku - hypotheses, analyses, and musings on The Tatami Galaxy \|\| The REAL first handheld console with color!

2009-03-06, 10:01	Link #115
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	Dammit I was expecting Ryuuji to man it up and admit it was him who carried her up that snowy hill and who heard her confessed delirium. Anyway a not so action-packed episode, most likely as it seems a bridging episode to the last 3. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2009-03-06, 11:43	Link #120
Fran~ floating away... Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Beyond World's End	done... but we already discuss that... but im ok with it. __________________ Improving my english ^^

2009-03-06, 02:28	Link #101
Janifuu 緩和 Join Date: Oct 2008	Perfect 10 on this ep. for me. It comes to show how much Ryuuji does indeed love and want/need Taiga in his life, hes pretty much a wreck without her. And I love Yasuko so much more after watching this, shes such a wonderful mother

2009-03-06, 02:33	Link #102
BlueDo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	This is the first time in the anime where Ryuuji finally sees how Taiga's trying to help him out as best as she can. Great episode.

2009-03-06, 02:36	Link #103
ThoHell Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	hmm, sounds like this series is finally doing some relationship development. Guess I should pick it back up. Or is it still just a lot of comedy with little of anything else?

2009-03-06, 02:45	Link #105
frivolity My posts are frivolous Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 35	Just watched the episode with Coalguys subs. Definitely a 10 from me. It's been mentioned by everyone, but Minori's focus on keeping busy comes about because she's running away from the truth. Rather than believing in ghosts (love) that she cannot see, she would rather keep the things she can see (friendship with Taiga), and devote her efforts on tangible things (work). Ami's incisiveness is, once again, impressive. While Minori was spouting all kinds of metaphors, Ami stole the thunder with just one line - "You want to say that if I just watch and don't interfere, everything will turn out fine, right?" On a side note, I sometimes speak with obscure metaphors like Minori did. The point of it, imo, isn't in letting the other person know what you're talking about, but more of deriving satisfaction from how you've left clues for the other person, even if they never understood it. It's sort of shifting the blame from you having not told the other person, to him/her not figuring out what you've said. The last 5 minutes of the episode where Taiga appeared at the doorstep of the Takasu residence was beautifully crafted. It was as though the atmosphere and dynamics of the show had returned to the way the previous episodes were. It had the same feel as the scene in the villa with the dimmed lights, with Taiga commenting that with just her and Ryuuji in the room, it felt as though they were back in the apartment even though they were in a huge room. Ryuuji turned back to normal with Taiga around, rather than his broody self earlier in the episode. It was as if I was watching ToraDora! again (not that the earlier half wasn't ToraDora, but it felt different). Best quote of the episode (for how I LOLed): Whatever, talking to you feels like having a period - Ami

2009-03-06, 05:13	Link #109
Tsukuyomii Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	lol, Amy had some awesome stuff to say in this episode... XD "Now that the kid is at home, daddy can do whatever he wants..." "Don't go near me. Stupidity is contagious." "Talking to you is like having a period..." XDXD I really liked the fight between them. Also, Minori kept going back to the ghost and "seeing" things over and over again... I was able to follow it, but I think the conversation between the two was a little "high" for normal viewers. So, in simple words, Minori is scared of love because it's the first time she's feeling it. Well, as we know this "freaky-crazy" girl, she can just enter the class and kiss Ryuuji infront of everyone! ...But as we know anime and novels, it wont happen. >,>

2009-03-06, 07:41	Link #111
KingOfWorlds The Destined One Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Capital of the Nation	"Talking to you feels like having a Period" Damn! Lol Ami can be mean as shit when she want to

2009-03-06, 07:45	Link #112
-Sho- ~Omedetô~ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Somewhere between heaven and hell !	Just watch this episode : Great episode . Taiga was with her mother . I want to see how is her mother ^^ Ryuji lie to Taiga , he didn't want that she worry . Ryuji with his mother moment was good ^^ Minorin change , she will get wha she want now ^^ So , do she will move forward and confess to Ryuji ? Ami was still angry ... poor ami ... Well , We saw once again that Ryuji is better with Taiga "As i thought being with Taiga is the best" Next episode : Valentine's day , it will be good ^^ Taiga in maid outfit Ryuji will get 3 chocolates ? ^^ 3 more episodes ..

2009-03-06, 08:28	Link #113
typhonsentra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA	AM I the only one who got a "Honey and Clover" vibe from the ramen shop owner? The way those guys were glowing over the guy's "Attack" was pretty reminiscent of the ones from those teachers fawning over Takemoto's "Spirit of youth".