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One person may find himself magnetized towards a pair of bewbies in a catfight between ninja, but another may acknowledge the presence of scanty clothing and provocative poses and still look at the scene as a battle between two warriors. Following that analogy, it's seeing someone wearing an otaku shirt in the middle of a crowd of normal people. It can be distracting to some, but some may choose to admire the guy's guts to wear a MEGA MILK shirt or to plainly ignore it. Quote:
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2013-01-11, 21:19 | Link #43 | |
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This was just the one element of VRO that I didn't like. Most of my post on VRO's first episode was complimentary in nature, and I largely enjoyed it, but alas, the one criticism I made is what spurred a lot of discussion. So much so that it started this thread on General Anime which, I should add, is not a discussion that I personally wanted to have on General Anime (relentlessflame moved it here, and I never asked for it to be moved). I was just interested in discussing VRO itself on the VRO thread.
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2013-01-11, 21:19 | Link #44 |
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This is more or less exactly what happened to me with Senran Kagura. The show has a lot of fanservice by design, but because of the way it was presented (around the time the transformation sequence and jidai geki narrator kicked in), I had become more interested in it as a ninja-styled magical girl show than anything else. Sure, Asuka had fallen into the river and gotten a gratuitous wet t-shirt scene, but the start of her friendship with Homura was also shaping up to be interesting. In the end, I had barely noticed the fanservice.
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2013-01-11, 21:21 | Link #45 | |
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There, I said I only read short synopsis (and a promotional pic of it with magical girls in it). I haven't visit VRO thread or watch any PV before it.
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2013-01-11, 21:25 | Link #48 | |
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Pocari_Sweat: You had me at "You do not watch this show for action (at least serious action), though it is part of it," the same thing I heard from Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon early into the series. Of course I'm annoyed, but hopefully those people have been silenced by the series' sales over two seasons. But it did change how I see people right now; they're more impulsive when it comes to reacting over stuff, and I certainly am no exception to that.
TLR is different because it's based on the manga, unlike Vividred that is an anime-original series. You cannot read about Vividred in advance. For those who expect To Love-Ru to be a sci-fi, there's more than one hundred chapters of the manga to read, and they only have themselves to blame for that. Quote:
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2013-01-11, 21:26 | Link #49 | ||
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2013-01-11, 21:29 | Link #50 |
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I've seen more than enough anime threads to know that when fanservice happens in an anime episode, very often discussion centers around that fanservice shot.
Let's not play coy here - People tend to notice fanservice shots; the amount of discussion surrounding them is proof enough of that. Fanservice shots do tend to be loud. No, it's not. Were discussing whether or not we like it being there. That's entirely different than discussing whether or not it can be there.
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Everyone can still discuss VRO in the VRO thread, of course.
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2013-01-11, 21:43 | Link #53 |
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I suspect most people these days will find fanservice to be very distracting and unnecessary. It obviously serves no purpose except behind the fourth wall.
It annoys me to see all of these action anime coming out and they're full of fanservice. I hated Highschool of the Dead for that reason, because all it was was fanservice and girls with unrealistic bust sizes slaying zombies. Sure, it's entertaining to some people, but not to critics and not to vocal viewers. The worst thing about it is that it hurts the characters and by doing so it diminishes the quality of the anime overall. The more pointless fanservice I see of a character the less I care about that character, and by that I also care less about what I'm watching. When fanservice shots are a huge part of an anime it becomes an anime centered around a gimmick, which is a fantastic indication that I'm watching something that was intended to get sales and not ratings. I don't want to watch anime pandering to the masses of people that like copious amounts of fanservice. I want to watch quality entertainment. As far as fanservice in general, I don't mind fanservice as long as it's rare or there's a purpose. I don't need to see side boob and ass shots every five minutes to be entertained. If the character is attractive and likable, and there's some funky situation going on or it's something where fanservice is obligatory, shoot. Shoot all you want. Do I want to see women getting their clothes ripped off and then close-ups of it? No. I want to see women ripping people's heads off, and then close-ups of them swimming in a pool of blood, AND THEN I want to see fanservice. Because I'm a man! The fanservice issue kind of goes along with an issue that I have with a lot of anime. "Camera" work. I've seen too many anime with shoddy perspective on action shots, and it ruins those scenes because it's very difficult to process what I'm seeing when it's just not clear. I want to "see" the action, not the lightning quick flashes of something that's supposed to look like action. For all I know they could be doing the tango instead of swordfighting! Just stop. No, literally. Point the "camera" at the action, and stop moving it around everywhere.
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Let's look at it another way. Let's reveal another one of Random32's weird hobbies. I enjoy watching (hot) girls wrestle. I want the best, most fanservicey shots of them possible. When I watch magical girls fight, I really wouldn't mind a similar philosophy in choosing where the cameras are positioned and focused. It's all about how you approach it. I approached Fate/Zero from your point of view, so I wouldn't like fanservice in it, but I approached Vividred in the point of view present above, so I do like fanservice in it. Quote:
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I like overeating, but I know that it's wrong. Overeating at Christmas-time is a "guilty pleasure" that I allow myself. By recognizing that it's a guilty pleasure, I'm less likely to overindulge in it to the point that it could be counterproductive. Quote:
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People have a right to their opinions. People have a right to disagree with any approach that an anime chooses to take. People have the ability and the right to like some of what they watch, but not all of it, and to express both. There's nothing wrong with any of that. Quote:
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I'm guilty for watching fanservice since the community around me tends to think it's wrong, but there really isn't any reason other than societal conditioning for that. Quote:
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2013-01-11, 22:09 | Link #57 | |
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In the right context "fanservice" is fine. I don't even believe every instance of an ass shot or whatever should even be called fanservice but the community seems to be content on labeling it as such so what can I do...
Anyway it doesn't bother me that studios do this, what bothers me is how enamored fans are by these scenes. I've said this before, unless you're 13, 14, or around that age then you have no business making "bewbz" the focus of your viewing experience with an action orientated show. If you want porn, watch porn. There are certain series I won't even discuss with people because the fanbase seems to center around the fanservice. Fans make that a reality. Quote:
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2013-01-11, 22:10 | Link #58 | ||
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This is the very same straw man that you used the other day. You said yourself that there are plenty of other shows that keep the fanservice out of the serious action scenes. The fact that this show may not is part of the global "clothing variety". So, in that sense, it's better that some shows like this do exist. It doesn't mean all shows will do this (and they haven't so far).
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