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2013-02-20, 03:09 | Link #5923 | ||||||||||||
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And beside, it's not like nuclear weapons is the only option for the EA. Quote:
The EA didn't have a reason to attack Orb in SEED ... until it did. ZAFT didn't have a reason to attack Orb in Destiny ... until it did. Joining the EA is a preemptive move to ensure the EA will not have a reason to attack Orb. Quote:
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2. The Destroy was meant to destroy all resistance. 3. Sure, most would not. Still, the EA didn't bother distinguishing ZAFT forces from the EF civilians living there. 4. Neutral party is only neutral as long as the EA doesn't want anything from it, as Orb found out in SEED. Quote:
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2013-02-25, 02:10 | Link #5925 | |||||
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Since Orb got a taste of how the EA acted in SEED, of course they would think twice instead of flat out saying no, you don't want to repeat history, better safe than sorry, to put it short. The decision that was made wasnt about pride, but rather survival of the country (or the seirans). Quote:
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No, once again, you are assuming that Athruns squad=The entire Zaft army, he was reasoning with his forces at hand, not the entire Zaft army. The Creuset/Creuzet squad was enough for the stealth/diversion/attack on Heliopolis with severe tactical advantage, doing the same with less manpower, no diversions would be reckless, not to mention suicidal, Athrun knew this, that's why he shot the idea down before it was brought up. Quote:
Change in leadership ??? Cagalli suddenly had no political power/Profit? for Seirans. And honestly, Orb acting the way it did after what happened in the earlier episodes of Destiny and in SEED, the way it acted in Destiny does make sense. Atleast more sense than some other parts of the show. |
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2013-02-25, 05:48 | Link #5926 | ||||||||||||
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Junius 7 attack was to cripple the PLANTs while, in Destiny, they were not successful. Quote:
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2013-02-26, 20:57 | Link #5927 |
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Athrun could not have mobilized a full out in invasion of Orb by Zaft just over Strike and AA. It just wasn't a priority to them. The council really did not care that one MS got away as they had what they needed for the Guaiz's and the Freedom/Justice/Proviendence project. And their priority was Spitbreak, which basically recalled everyone except the Athrun's group and that one ship they had. Even Cruset was recalled for it. They only let Athrun's group keep persuing it out of pride. Strike wasn't that big a deal and they knew it. (Really even if AA made it Alaska with Strike and tow, both would have simply been destroyed there without Freedom to break through an escape for them). Yzak was simply overestimating their own importance in the scheme of things. Requesting more pressure to be put on Orb would almost certainly be turned down, and they never would have moblized and army to go to war over one ship and MS when they had a primary base to invade elsewhere.
They knew it was a lie both times, but the difference was the first time it was a minor target that wasn't worth starting an international incident over, where as the 2nd time they had the guy marked as the eviliest person in the world that was wanted by everyone. Yuna inability to realize the difference is why he was not cut out for leader ship. |
2013-02-27, 17:01 | Link #5929 | ||||||||||||
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It was on NJC to prevent the use of nuclear weapons. You can't ban something that's already been deployed deep under the Earth.
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But after rereading what you post after the part in bold, my answer will be that ZAFT wasn't surprised by the second attack. Quote:
So, again, my response after rereading your post is that ZAFT was not surprised by the second attack. Quote:
It basically turned the EA ships that are carrying those weapons into a walking time bomb, so to speak. And since you need to get relatively close to your target to make use of the nuclear weapons, it's too risky in the face of such an effective display of countermeasure. Quote:
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But think about this, in both SEED and Destiny, the final battle still ended up in space. So the Earth isn't really as important as long as the EA can get at the PLANTs in space. Quote:
Another thing: anyone's perspective is not the same as EA's perspective. So, again, Orb cannot make a decision by assuming that the EA would be reasonable. Quote:
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His whole reason for wanting to get proof was because of Orb's military power. |
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2013-02-28, 03:32 | Link #5930 | ||||
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The Seirans, are shitty characters, but atleast we where given a reason to why Orb suddenly changed from Seed. It's not the best, but atleast its something that makes sense in the end. Quote:
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2013-03-01, 10:48 | Link #5931 |
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...e-english-subs
"The Blu-ray Discs for the Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny HD Remaster project will have English subtitles. According to online retailers, the series will be collected into four box sets with three discs each. The first boxset contains episodes 1-12 and will be released on June 21. The limited-edition box set retails for 21,000 yen (about US$227) and includes a special booklet, audio commentary, clean opening sequence, promotional videos, and a disc jacket and storage box designed by Hisashi Hirai and Satoshi Shigeta. The standard edition retails for 18,900 yen (US$204). The following box sets will be released on September 25, December 25, and March 26, 2014. The remaster will begin streaming on the Bandai Channel service on March 29 at 11:00 p.m. in Japan. The series will then start running on the BS11 satellite channel on April 7 and on the Tokyo MX TV channel on April 9." |
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2013-03-02, 16:52 | Link #5935 | ||
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Can I ask where you're getting this? Admittedly, I'm looking at a wikai but it seems a little too specific for me to completely deny it:
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The problem with nuclear weapons is that you have to deploy it when it's close. If they deploy it too far away, the nuclear weapons would be destroyed before it could reach its target. And with the stampeder, that is almost a certainty, and not just the missiles deployed, but any remaining weapons in their ships. Quote:
Yeah, that fits GENESIS as well, or any other giant beam in Gundam. Quote:
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If the EA never attacked Orb, you might have a point. But since the EA did attack Orb, they also can have the perspective that they do, especially since Cagalli wasn't able to get support in the government. Quote:
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2013-03-03, 04:16 | Link #5937 | |||
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Doesn't matter if you call BS on it, Orb still signed the treaty and joined the alliance. All evidence points towards that Orb was threatened into joining it including character actions. Nothing points towards anything else, you saying its " BS " all the time doesnt make it true.
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The NJC was banned.
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The EA has attacked Orb with no provocation. With that experience, Orb, especially with the Seirans' influence, doesn't have a reason to believe that they could deter an attack from the EA. Given that perspective, joining the EA helps them to stay on the EA's good side. Quote:
Thus, joining the EA was a preemptive move so that the EA would not have a reason to attack. |
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