2010-04-23, 16:42 | Link #8841 | |
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So "they" refers to "the people in the servant's room" right? They = Gohda, Nanjo, Kumasawa, Genji, Shannon Gohda, Nanjo, Kumasawa, and Genji would not mistake Shannon for Kanon. So Shannon cannot be Kanon, because Shkanon requires that they are mistaken. |
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2010-04-23, 16:42 | Link #8842 |
Kupo
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The exact wording of that red text literally means that in looking at a different person they wouldn't think that it was Kanon. The opposite is still technically possible.
EDIT: I'm speaking in terms of how you could look at a Kanon corpse and think that it was somebody else, not of Shkanon of course.
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2010-04-23, 16:46 | Link #8843 |
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Lets try something different for alibis. So with the red we have
any others?
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2010-04-23, 16:53 | Link #8846 | |||
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Kanon did not disappear in EP1 or EP3. He did disappear in EP2, but that can be easily explained with the same theory: that his body was disposed of to cast the suspicion on him. Given where he disappeared from and hints that bodies could be disposed of by dumping them out a window, this isn't much of a problem. The existence of a hiding place for Kinzo's body has already been clear since EP2. Reusing it for EP4 shouldn't be a huge stretch. You asked me what purpose my theory would serve. If Kanon's body was incinerated, it would demonstrate that Kanon had polydactyly. You cannot argue this, because Battler observed that the burnt corpse had six toes. Quote:
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2010-04-23, 16:56 | Link #8847 | ||
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I can, and it's very awesome. It would make him seem incredibly crazy. Reminds me of Lio Shirazumi.
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Shkanon by itself is not the only possible answer. In fact, I'd go so far as to agree with Renall in saying that it doesn't actually solve, and cannot solve, most of the closed rooms in any of the games. It certainly doesn't solve the final closed room in Ep2 any way you look at it, for instance. I'm sure someone with more time on their hands and more adept at seeing connections can come up with more examples. Then why does Ryukishi seem to believe that Shkanon is the key to solving everything? Is he honestly just that clueless about his own work? That it doesn't matter because it's something that can just be glossed over? |
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2010-04-23, 17:02 | Link #8848 | |
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I still don't see why "the key" has to automatically refer to Shkanon. Do you honestly think the author is that arrogant and stupid? Show me one reason why I should interpret it that way. Aren't the core arcs supposed to help us understand Beato's game? How can we solve everything if we don't know what the hell she is thinking?
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2010-04-23, 17:02 | Link #8849 | ||
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http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=8815 it's never a good idea trying to disprove a theory starting from the assumption the theory is wrong... You are basically assuming Shannon and Kanon are different person therefore proving that Shannon (person A) cannot mistake herself for Kanon (person B). If you just assumed Shannon is Kanon you'd understand that this whole issue would become "Shannon/Kanon cannot mistake another person for herself"... meh.. try harder. Quote:
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2010-04-23, 17:04 | Link #8850 |
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Well, she is still allowed to lie about identifying herself as Kanon, but she cannot be mistaken about it. Which implies that if we assume Shannon is posing for Kanon, red statements about his life or death status become highly dubious, as in no sense of the word he can actually be alive.
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2010-04-23, 17:09 | Link #8851 | ||
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So what it does say is that everyone present at the scene lied. Big deal.
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2010-04-23, 17:09 | Link #8852 | ||
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2010-04-23, 17:13 | Link #8854 | |
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But I still don't like it. |
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2010-04-23, 17:15 | Link #8855 | |
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http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=8732
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2010-04-23, 17:15 | Link #8856 | |
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...And? There are so many extraneous things in Umineko anyway. A fat old man waltzing around in that dress while pretending to be a hot young woman wouldn't really make it any more ridiculous than it already is. And it would make Nanjo interesting, at least. And were solved by the fanbase after Ep4 anyway. Although those are supposed to be the easy mysteries, I guess. |
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2010-04-23, 17:18 | Link #8857 | ||
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If Shkanon is in any manner true, the list of 'they' in that particular case closely corresponds with the minimal list of people who have to be in on it and support it.
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2010-04-23, 17:19 | Link #8858 | ||
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Yeah, I want to see her picture. Well for last murder of EP2 I thought that whoever was the last one alive in the room suicided after the door was locked. The next deaths would be caused by the explosion anyway. My theories seem to heavily rely on a fake death, one in all except EP4 So what are the chances of Jessica being alive after the second twilight of EP2? EDIT: I'm pretty positive that Ryukishi has learned from back then. |
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2010-04-23, 17:20 | Link #8859 |
別にいいけど
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I don't suggest modifying the red to that extent.
what we have is They definitely would not mistake any different person for Kanon! which in case shkanon is true, "any different person" doesn't include Shannon.
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2010-04-23, 17:20 | Link #8860 | |
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This is why I don't like it. |
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