(L) Rosario+Vampire Manga

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Chris38

Spoiler for 41:

I wouldn't say that Gin X Kurumu has been broken, but rather delayed. After all, chapter 40 and 39 weren't the first time, where Gin and Kurumu had some moments with each other, so it still remains a possibility that Kurumu is going to end up with Gin in the future - since, I don't think anyone knows for sure, how the R+V manga is going to reach it's conclusion.

In my opinion, the kiss, that Kurumu had with Tsukune in the current chapter, is just Ikeda's way of "resetting" Tsukune's harem, after he made Tsukune confess his feelings foreword Moka in chapter 35, but I don't think that the events of chapter 41, prevent Gin X Kurumu from occurring in the future.

Spoiler for 41:

i think it could speed it up personally. The kiss might be just what Kurumu needed to evaluate her feelings and start to move forward rather than sticking to the impossibility of tsukune.

[tyranuus]

Spoiler:

Actually I'd been thinking along the lines of this theory before (If Alucard was originally human) for quite some time.

I mean, I could be wrong but I dont remember it being specified who or what Alucard was exactly before his transformation to the ball of love and cuddles we know now, beyond he was a servant of the Shuzen family in years gone past. This tells us other vampires existed before him, Shinso or not.

Given we don't know his exact age, is it not possible that he was indeed human, but one who was corrupted, similarly to how Tsukune has been?
It could be that Alucard's body reacted similarly to Tsukune, rather than killing him, turning him into some other sub-breed/revision of vampire, but unlike Tsukune who retained his humanity, Alucard gradually lost his, especially as he began to absorb more and more blood.

Additionally, we had that scene where it appeared Akasha was almost staring sadly at him in his dormant state. I'm not saying she's the one who turned him, but could it not be that it was a descendant of hers, and this is why it became her duty to guard him after defeating him, or even her task to defeat him in the first place. Perhaps she possessed the Shinso blood because it was originally passed down within her own bloodline, rather than Alucard, but that Alucard has become the most famous carrier of this bloodline, as the bloodlines became intermingled.
It would be a fairly haunting experience to have to do as such to one of your own kin, even if they had become as twisted as Alucard.

If, and just if, Alucard WAS originally human, it would explain why beings like Tsukune are nearly always purged at first signs, and also why the rules about vampire mating had existed in the first place. Would also explain why Touhai felt the same kinda of cursed aura from him, given the similarities in thier genesis and power source.

Lots of thoughts running in my head about this sort of stuff I struggle to put pen to paper on, but hey

[Chris38]

Spoiler for 41:

Well, I believe that until Ikeda reveals more information about Alucard's history.

Although, it's true that there exists some sort of contradiction in what we know about Alucard's past, since on one hand he is said to be a former servant of the Shuzen family, while on the other he is considered as the oldest vampire.

Of course, it might be possible that at the beginning the Shuzen family wasn't a "vampire family", and that it was actually Alucard who has turned them into vampires - after all, if we take Tsukune into consideration, it's certainly possible for some other species to be injected with the blood of a Shinso vampire.

Whatever it is, I think we will know the details, once the Shuzen family takes an even more active role in the story, since at this point, everyone is probably going to agree that Alucard is directly tied with the main plot of the R+V manga, and since Alucard's history is directly tied with the Shuzen family, I belive that we will be provided with more information about Alucard, once Ikeda is going to be revealing more things about the Shuzen family and their past - which is definitively going to happen, if Tsukune is going to "join" the ranks of the Shuzen family, by getting together with Moka.

[Magin]

Spoiler for Alucard + 41:

My own thoughts on Alucard... as we all know, Alucard= Dracula in most stories these days, and Dracula in western mythology is the first vampire, and usually he is said to have been human first. Given that we know he was originally a servant of the Shuzens... well, it's possible that he absolutely hated and loathed them, all started out as humans, i.e. the Shuzens were upper class while he was lower. He somehow gets killed, but his hatred for the family keeps him alive (or perhaps a contract with the devil- there's a lot of possibilities here), and he becomes the first vampire. In his rage and with his new power, he goes on a rampage, biting all the Shuzens, and turning them into vampires as well. Which is where we get Akua's legacy from.

Now at some point, Alucard ends up getting a human female pregnant, either before or after he becomes a vampire. However, this offspring goes and has offpring with other humans down the line, and eventually Tsukune comes around... he's 99.99999999999% human, but similar to Yusuke, because he's still got a supernatural being as an ancestor, the blood within him awakens... though personally, I like the idea of Tsukune being the product of vampire hunters better. Either way, as long as this is shounen, Tsukune's going to have some unknown heritage.

As for the chapter itself... well, this certainly ups Kurumu in my book, even though I'm still with Moka. And I gotta say... those streams coming from his eyes seem more like tears than any power channel. I can also see this manga now becoming more love triangle-ish, unless the other girls step up there game. Unfortunately, I also don't think Tsukune's going to remember that kiss... he'll remember "something", but no details. Damn, it's gonna hurt to see Kurumu get her heart broken big time after this (yes, it's probably already broken, but I suspect that worse damage is going to come)

I also forsee after all this serious stuff winds down, we're going to have some Kurumu vs. Moka chapters... potentially. Dammit Tsukune, ypu'd better kiss Moka when yuo rescue her, in true shounen fashion

[Tachibana]

Originally Posted by Magin

Spoiler for Alucard + 41:

I also forsee after all this serious stuff winds down, we're going to have some Kurumu vs. Moka chapters... potentially. Dammit Tsukune, ypu'd better kiss Moka when yuo rescue her, in true shounen fashion

Spoiler for 41:

It's a good thing Kurumu Kissed Tsukune when he was in that Alucard-like form, but don't worry Tsukune will kiss Moka in true shounen fashion.

Or perhaps even a french kiss!

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Magin

Spoiler for Alucard + 41:

My own thoughts on Alucard... as we all know, Alucard= Dracula in most stories these days, and Dracula in western mythology is the first vampire, and usually he is said to have been human first. Given that we know he was originally a servant of the Shuzens... well, it's possible that he absolutely hated and loathed them, all started out as humans, i.e. the Shuzens were upper class while he was lower. He somehow gets killed, but his hatred for the family keeps him alive (or perhaps a contract with the devil- there's a lot of possibilities here), and he becomes the first vampire. In his rage and with his new power, he goes on a rampage, biting all the Shuzens, and turning them into vampires as well. Which is where we get Akua's legacy from.

Now at some point, Alucard ends up getting a human female pregnant, either before or after he becomes a vampire. However, this offspring goes and has offpring with other humans down the line, and eventually Tsukune comes around... he's 99.99999999999% human, but similar to Yusuke, because he's still got a supernatural being as an ancestor, the blood within him awakens... though personally, I like the idea of Tsukune being the product of vampire hunters better. Either way, as long as this is shounen, Tsukune's going to have some unknown heritage.

As for the chapter itself... well, this certainly ups Kurumu in my book, even though I'm still with Moka. And I gotta say... those streams coming from his eyes seem more like tears than any power channel. I can also see this manga now becoming more love triangle-ish, unless the other girls step up there game. Unfortunately, I also don't think Tsukune's going to remember that kiss... he'll remember "something", but no details. Damn, it's gonna hurt to see Kurumu get her heart broken big time after this (yes, it's probably already broken, but I suspect that worse damage is going to come)

I also forsee after all this serious stuff winds down, we're going to have some Kurumu vs. Moka chapters... potentially. Dammit Tsukune, ypu'd better kiss Moka when yuo rescue her, in true shounen fashion

Another idea

Spoiler for alucard:

alucard was a human, however he wasn't directly related to tsukune. Instead maybe tsukune was descended from a family member of his like a brother or sister. Hence why mikogami brought him to the school. Alucard got involved with he ayashi world and maybe romantically involved with akasha. He ended up taking on her shinso blood to survive but came to detest her for it and detest the human world for shunning him after his change. This is in direct contrast with tsukune who was will to go that length and cast off his humanity for his love for moka.

A random thought though. Maybe moka is alucard's daughter. Mikogami saw what was to come and convinced akasha to use magic to still the pregnancy for a LONG time knowing tsukune would come and they would save everyone. Hence the real difficulty behind her pregnancy

[FriedRice84]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Another idea

Spoiler for alucard:

alucard was a human, however he wasn't directly related to tsukune. Instead maybe tsukune was descended from a family member of his like a brother or sister. Hence why mikogami brought him to the school. Alucard got involved with he ayashi world and maybe romantically involved with akasha. He ended up taking on her shinso blood to survive but came to detest her for it and detest the human world for shunning him after his change. This is in direct contrast with tsukune who was will to go that length and cast off his humanity for his love for moka.

A random thought though. Maybe moka is alucard's daughter. Mikogami saw what was to come and convinced akasha to use magic to still the pregnancy for a LONG time knowing tsukune would come and they would save everyone. Hence the real difficulty behind her pregnancy

Spoiler for Chapter 41:

That's certainly an interesting yet very ironic theory. However, I thought Alucard was the oldest Shinso? So he probably wouldn't have been human before he meet Akasha.

On another note, I think it's great that Kurumu kissed Tsukune even though I'm entirely for Tsukune x Moka. It'll make Moka more aggressive and less wishy-washy. I can see a rapid increase in Ura-chan deredere and moe in the near future.

Also, looking over the raws again, it didn't really look like a full on lips-on-lips kiss. Touhou Fuhai mentioned that Kurumu probably used the same technique on Tsukune that she used on Moka. The kiss looked more like Kurumu might've transferred an essence from herself into Tsukune to pull him out. I've seen something similar in other movies/manga/anime. Not quite a kiss but lips and mouths are very close to transfer essence/spirit. Just a thought, I could be wrong and it was a full on kiss.

[dosetsu]

Double issue, huh? That means the next issue of Jump SQ (issue 07) will be out in June, rather than May, since issues 05 and 06 were released together (although, it's actually only just issue 05.

Meh, I hate double issues, but I see its purpose here.

[Chris38]

Spoiler for 41:

Well, here are the summaries / rough translations (which should be taken with a grain of salt) that I have found so far.

Spoiler for brief summary:

Okay here is a breif summary of the chapter. Basically Ghoul form Tsunkne goes out of control. The old man says that Tsukune Ghoul form has evolved and now a part of him. The old man also says that he has the same vibe as Alacard and tries to kill him with a sword. Tsukune gives him a punch from hell. But Kurumu intervenes and tempts to do the same tech. on Tsukune that she did on Moka by drawing out his consciousness. Then the old man uses the final needle on Tsukune and Tsukune goes back to his human form and the two kids passes out.

Spoiler for rough translation of the two last pages:

First panel: I think he says he's turned back human again
Second panel: This one's a doozy. The first bubble says "It's not the power of the eagle (wat)", but I think he's saying "It wasn't my power...". The rest of the bubbles say that Kurumu kissed Tsukune to dive into his "spirit" and bring his human side back, like she did during Moka's seal collapse.
Third panel: What a strange girl... She dives into spirits, barriers, etc. so easily...
Fourth panel: I say she has talent... and a single-minded desire (i'm not sure if he said she USED this single-minded desire or that she just had it, but that was her inspiration)
Last panel: You would give yourself to Tsukune, Kurumu... (definitely something about losing "herself" for Tsukune, so this is what I assume this is)

Spoiler for rough translation of page 19:

Page 19:
Kurumu: Tsukune?... It can't be..!
TF: Get away from Tsukune, Kurumu!
TF: That guy isn't a ghoul, but something far more evil!
K: Touhou Fuhai sama!?
TF: Inside his body, abnormal transformations are beginning to awaken! Right now, Tsukune is giving off the same odor as Alucard... the one that brought a calamity upon the world!
TF:　I will use the Jigentou. I will use the little energy I have left to　（??? it says compensate or complete)// He is too dangerous to keep alive!
K: Wait please!... Tsukune is...
TF: Stand down, Kurumu! This is for the [safety of] the world.
K: The world..? Tsukune is more important to me than the world! (hurdurp TsukunexKurumu)
TF：　I regret to say that he is no longer Tsukune...! [Houge Jigentou!]
K: Nooo! (or stoooop! XD) If you're going to hurt Tsukune, I won't allow it!
TF：　You idiot! Are you trying to escape the barrier?
K:　Tsukune hasn't lost his heart yet! I believed it before! He looked at me with kind eyes, like he wanted to tell me "Run away!" ... I'm sure that inside his heart, Tsukune is fighting! So, I will also fight, to try to pass this barrier!
TF: Stop it! You'll really die!
K:　I am a succubus, an ayashi who lives on love! If I die for love, then "I'm true!" [I think this means something like "I'm really true to myself!" or "I"m really a succubus!"]
TF:　You...!
K:　[I'm thinking she's charming here, but apparently there's dissent on otherwise. It wouldn't make too much sense though...] He's calm... it's okay...// I like you, Tsukune. From now on I promise I'll always protect [Okay, this is the really confusing part. It either says "I'll always protect you from this side (of you)" or "I'll always protect you from the side"... or both!? XD d'aawww. Kurumu's not so bad anymore. XD

Spoiler for my opinion:

So based upon that, I think that Tsukune has started to smell similar to Alucard, because his "Ghoul side" had become a part of him - which, is probably going to bring a lot more issues then what we have currently seen.

In other words, Tsukune has reached a next stage of evolution (or rather degeneration - depending on how you look at it) and now has a "darker side" to his (probably upgraded) powers that he will have to bring under his control in the future.

Not to mention that with this development I think we can all agree that Tsukune isn't a human anymore, even if he is going to have problems with controlling his powers in the future - after all, I doubt that this is the last time that Tsukune's "berserk side" is going to emerge, and it will probably take some time, before Tsukune is going to be able to take control of it (which, considering that R+V is a shounen manga, is probably something that Tsukune is going to have to do, before he will be able to fully control his vampire / Shinso abilities)

[kenjiharima]

Totally Agree Chris38.

Spoiler for Ch.41:

So the only thing that is human about him is his looks, but still why hasn't his scars healed? The only time we see his scars healed when his in new evolved ghoul form

[Tachibana]

Spoiler for 41:

I think it's wicked on how Tsukune is now compared to Alucard by Touhou, He should be very powerful now. I agree with Chris38 as well, Tsukune has takin his next step in evolution, Tsukune is probably nearing the achieved evolution that Alucard has

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Totally Agree Chris38.

Spoiler for Ch.41:

So the only thing that is human about him is his looks, but still why hasn't his scars healed? The only time we see his scars healed when his in new evolved ghoul form

Spoiler for 41:

Probably, because Tsukune's scars are a part of his character design, and Ikeda didn't want him to lose them. At least that's the only explanation that I can think about.

@Shinso Tsukune

Spoiler for 41:

I don't think that Tsukune is going to evolve into the same type of being that Alucard is . I mean that what Alucard has become is pretty much a "failed evolution" - because Alucard has lost his sanity in the process (in other words, Alucard "degenerated into the type of being that he currently is, which might be more powerful, but at the cost of becoming - pretty much an animal) , while Tsukune is probably going to be a more "successful" evolution, since even though it's probably going to be difficult, I believe that in the end Tsukune won't lose his sanity and is going to be able to fully control his vampire abilities, but there is still a long road ahead of Tsukune, before he manages to achieve that.

[HayashiTakara]

Spoiler for 41:

what did I tell you non-believers? the power of love brought him back!!! lol.

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Totally Agree Chris38.

Spoiler for Ch.41:

So the only thing that is human about him is his looks, but still why hasn't his scars healed? The only time we see his scars healed when his in new evolved ghoul form

It's obvious. The scars are Tsukune's trademark, it's what completes his manliness

[Renegade334]

Originally Posted by Shinso Tsukune

Spoiler for 41:

I think it's wicked on how Tsukune is now compared to Alucard by Touhou, He should be very powerful now.

Not so much powerful as his

Spoiler:

aura has now gotten intrinsically nefarious. Accursed to the point of naturally conjuring disasters. Like a tragedy magnet.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Renegade334

Not so much powerful as his

Spoiler:

aura has now gotten intrinsically nefarious. Accursed to the point of naturally conjuring disasters. Like a tragedy magnet.

Spoiler for 41:

I think that Tsukune's aura becoming darker is only going to occur, if Tsukune's "berserk side" is going to be in control over his body. In other words I don't think that Tsukune's aura is going to be so dark when his "human side" is going to be in control over Tsukune's body and powers - simply saying, I believe that when Tsukune's human consciousness is going to be in control, he's aura is going to be a lot similar to Inner Moka's youkai aura, and only when Tsukune's "darker side" is going to be gaining control over Tsukune's body, his youkai aura is going to be becoming more nefarious.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Totally Agree Chris38.

Spoiler for Ch.41:

So the only thing that is human about him is his looks, but still why hasn't his scars healed? The only time we see his scars healed when his in new evolved ghoul form

Spoiler for 41:

Most likely because he got the scars before he became a full-blown vampire. You can't heal something that's not there to begin with anymore.

[kenjiharima]

@-HayashiTakara LOL

Spoiler for ch.41:

Speaking of scars well I guess if you watched the movie Interview with a vampire, you can't change yourself anymore you're looks are stuck like that when you decide to become a vamp in that certain age or state.

Unless powering up in TSukune's case

Another thing I can say for Touhoufuhai, he's one tough old man taking those blows.

[Tachibana]

Originally Posted by Chris38

Spoiler for 41:

I don't think that Tsukune is going to evolve into the same type of being that Alucard is . I mean that what Alucard has become is pretty much a "failed evolution" - because Alucard has lost his sanity in the process (in other words, Alucard "degenerated into the type of being that he currently is, which might be more powerful, but at the cost of becoming - pretty much an animal) , while Tsukune is probably going to be a more "successful" evolution, since even though it's probably going to be difficult, I believe that in the end Tsukune won't lose his sanity and is going to be able to fully control his vampire abilities, but there is still a long road ahead of Tsukune, before he manages to achieve that.

Spoiler for 41:

I agree with this Chris38, Tsukune would become a more successful evolved being than even Alucard, because like you said he had become a "failed evolved" organism, but Tsukune's case is much different, he has that potential, now that he has been described to have the same "sinister odor" as Alucard and such potential we will no doubt see in the future of the storyline.

[Chris38]

Spoiler for 41:

Well, I just realized that after Tsukune was brought back to a more normal state, his form has changed to how Tsukune looks when he "transformed" into his vampire form (At least Tsukune's hair color is portrayed in a similar why as it did when Tsukune was in his "vampire form" in the earlier chapters.

In other words I think that Tsukune is going to be more similar to regular vampires (well, probably apart from the times when his powers are going to go out of control) in the sense that the only difference between Tsukune's "normal form" and "vampire form" is going to be the presence (or absence) of his "vampire eyes".

[Merilyn Mensola]

Originally Posted by Chris38

Spoiler for 41:

Well, I just realized that after Tsukune was brought back to a more normal state, his form has changed to how Tsukune looks when he "transformed" into his vampire form (At least Tsukune's hair color is portrayed in a similar why as it did when Tsukune was in his "vampire form" in the earlier chapters.

In other words I think that Tsukune is going to be more similar to regular vampires (well, probably apart from the times when his powers are going to go out of control) in the sense that the only difference between Tsukune's "normal form" and "vampire form" is going to be the presence (or absence) of his "vampire eyes".

I think when his power going out, his able to' contro, I don't Speak shinso powers,but the Powers of vampire complete,and i think his change the colour of His Hair, in the same color Moka..