2010-01-02, 01:55 | Link #701 |
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tousen only said you have to defeat the previous captain. (chapter 146) the fact that kenpachi went for the kill is a panel later.
i can't find where yoruichi talks about it (other than to say zaraki doesn't have bankai) so i can't say for sure on that one.
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me: "..if he was the unnamed kenpachi captain from 100 years ago.." you: "it's been said over and over that the captain kenpachi fought is dead. So that's out the window.lol" me: "except we don't know who was kenpachi before zaraki or during the period 100 years ago." you: "Wait, I thought we were talking about the captain? LOL I didn't know Zaraki actually killed someone or not for that title." me: "err, then who were you talking about? zaraki is the one who is reported to have killed his predecessor. the unnamed captain from 100 years ago was only reported to have defeated his predecessor." Quote:
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2010-01-06, 19:29 | Link #706 |
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Perhaps there is even another section of Shinigami that the Gotei 13, Omnitsuko and the Kido Corps that could revolve around more secretive missions. But then again, that's a large part of what the Omnitsuko does.
I also have a strong belief that the Royal Guard has a power that is beyond the Bankai and doesn't revolve around Hollowfication
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2010-01-07, 03:37 | Link #708 |
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aizen isn't all knowing. he didn't even seem to know about the royal guard initially. he was still dabbling in hollowification when urahra had already perfected it by creating the hogyoku (a feat aizen couldn't duplicate even with another 100 years, instead needing to steal the original).
there very well could be more about shinigami that aizen doesn't know. perhaps a powerup that doesn't come directly from a zanpakuto or perhaps learning additional stages of bankai. byakuya has three stages of bankai at least so i'm sure others could learn multiple stages as well (and the very existence of said stages make the name 'final' seem rather dubious).
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2010-01-07, 13:37 | Link #710 |
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After all, if joining the Royal Guard is considered a Promotion for Captains, then there must be a reason they are more powerful than traditional Captains. It's not like they can just be stronger because they slightly increase their Reiatsu. The strength difference must be comparable to the difference between a Shinigami that has access to their Bankai and those who don't.
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Oh yeh umm didnt Isshin say Captains cud control the size of their Bankai?? Am i dreaming this??
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grand fisher was like "look how huge my thang is!" and isshin was all like "lolz noob /pwn"
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2010-03-08, 10:18 | Link #713 |
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this is my take on who isshin is...
Isshin is an old shinigami captain... he maybe was urahara's predecessor. He also may have helped Urahara and the Vizards move to the real world. That's why he can't return to the Soul Society same as them. He may have lost his shinigami powers because Urahara gave him a special gigai like rukia's. It was a gigai that eats the spiritual energy of the shinigami thus making him/her human. Therefore, he may have been helping urahara hide the hogyoku before rukia came. That may also explain why Isshin regained his powers back when urahara gave rukia the speial gigai and gave isshin a normal gigai instead. I also agree with the possibility that Isshin's wife, Masaki, is a relative of Ryuken Ishida. That's why they know each other. They never intended to let Uryu and Ichigo know because of the quincy-shinigami conflict. Sorry if these have been mentioned in previous posts... Last edited by raimun; 2010-03-08 at 10:25. Reason: added something |
2010-03-08, 23:33 | Link #715 |
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I always thought he could have been the previous captain of the 10th division.(among other possibilities) I wonder why this isn't brought up more often? Hitsuguya is the youngest captain after all.
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2010-03-16, 17:26 | Link #716 |
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._. Not that I want to get flamed (which I most certainly will) but I have just been watching the anime over again with my boyfriend and I decided to pay a bit more attention than I perhaps did that first time around, I'll try and keep this information strictly directed towards the anime viewers:
Aizen is after making a "key" into the dimension wherein the "Soul King" resides. This said king and his "Royal Guard" are in a separate dimension then the Seireitei/Soul Society. The Captains Captain, squad 1 leader, told this to Tosheiro and his lieutenant about this information while they were staying at Orihime's in the world of the living. From all of this, it is very important for you to realize that there are still an elite guard that we have neither seen or heard of in any complete detail. Being as these elite members guard the KING of the entire Soul Society, there's a good chance that they are at least "Captain Level" or high. Which is all Ishiin eluded at, that he was merely captain LEVEL or higher. It's nearly impossible, given the time line information that has been hashed and rehashed in this thread for Ishiin to have been a captain of the thirteen court guard squads simply due to the Vizards (having sensed his spiritual pressure) to have not recognized his spiritual pressure as being his. That completely nullifies a good amount of time 110 years ago and back. And as for after they departed, Byakuya and Rukia most likely would have recognized his spiritual pressure, or namesake, or kin (Ichigo) if they had known Ishiin in any way. And Kisuke Urahara? Simple enough that Kisuke would have been the one to make the Gigai he is/has been residing in for the past 20 years. Also note, that while we may not know the complete details of how a gigai functions, we do know that all the shinigami that reside in them continue to eat and what have you, so there's a good chance that the gigai is literally and empty organic body. Most likely fully capable of producing offspring. And nothings to say that Urahara isn't fully capable of making a special request. ::deep breath:: So basically my theory is that Ishiin, while he may have been a captain once a very long time ago- may have been promoted or moved into the ranks of the Royal Guard. Whose sole duty is to protect the king, not the Soul Society- therefore they would have no need to involve themselves with Aizen or anything that would threaten the Soul Society itself. Flame away. |
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I doubt you'll get flamed. People might disagree, sure. But that's about it. Friendly debates seem pretty common around here.
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2010-03-17, 22:08 | Link #720 |
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I personaly am fond of the idea that Ishin from the Royal Guards. It just makes sense for me and explains why he wears his haori on his shoulder like that, why Shinji didn't recognize his Reiatsu, why no one connects the name Kurosaki to any known Captains and why he and Ichigo are so powerful.
I also like the idea that Ishin is from the Shiba clan. Think about it, Ichigo and Kaien share the same looks, Ishin and Ganju share the same looks and Kukkaku and Karin share certain appearance and personality traits. IT ALL FITS!!!!!!!
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