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Ayhashi · 2006-06-08, 17:16

Well, i went by you advice of self learning shinjipierre. And i got it. I create this file and then animated with AE. added to the particular option and got the perfect effect. nice. Thanks.

evil · 2006-07-13, 19:59

I got a qs, I want to add a border to the words, but when I use /bord , it gives me a box all around every single word.

What can I use to make the borders or outlines or watever =]

jfs · 2006-07-14, 16:29

Sure you mean \bord and not /bord ... anyway...
It sounds like you have set the border style to 3 (ie. "box behind subs" rather than 1 which is the most common, and means "outline"). Just change that in your style definition. (In case you use Aegisub, it's the "Opaque box" option in the style editor, it should be unchecked.)
Another possibility is that you simple make the border so huge it appears as if it was a box. Usually borders around sizes 2-5 pixels work the best, from my experience. Single-pixel borders more often than not make the text [i]less[/]i readable, or at least just look ugly.

You can also experiment with putting two copies of the same text on top of each other (put them in different layers and give them the same \pos) with different border thickness and border color, to get a kind of "double outline" effect.

mad_cracker · 2006-07-15, 12:32

hi there. I've made some karokes for my fansub with AFX and now i'm with a problem. Does anyone know how to make the explosion effect of the sylabs like the ending of [KAA]Mai Hime. Its not realy like an explosion but my english is very bad and it was what came out first^^
Thanks for your time.

jfs · 2006-07-15, 15:23

AFAIK, the [KAA] My-HiME effects are made by Tentacle with his own TexFX thing (which is neither ASS nor AFX based). I have no idea if AFX can do the same thing, but with enough persuation you can probably make it do it :P
Since I'm an ASS guy, the most immediate way of doing the effect I can think of is to simply make lots of copies of the text to explode, clip it into small dots (such that you get colored, uncolored and partially and differently colored dots) and make those dots move in an explosion-like way. I hope you get what I mean :P (Of course that's horribly ineffecient to do with VSFilter and just might make it crash if attempted

)

mad_cracker · 2006-07-15, 20:09

It seems quite difficult to make it with ASS^^
But for Pros like you and the way you say things it looks very simple.
Thanks for your time and for the help^^
And ASS rulez
Peace
Edit: Sorry to ask^^' Tentacle is the name of the software? loOl stupid question...

jfs · 2006-07-16, 06:15

No, Tentacle is the nick of the guy who wrote it. The software is called TenFX. I'm not sure if it's publicly available though.
(He's also created the dreaded Asscalc program, which some people might know. I never tried to actually use it, but it really looks like black magic. As the name implies, it's a tool for creating ASS karaoke effects.)

mad_cracker · 2006-07-17, 11:32

That seems interesting^^
Thanks for the help again. My first impression of the ppl of this forum is realy good. Some times we get kicked just to say "hi" or something. its realy annoying^^'
You seem to enjoy helping ppl. Thats good stuff.
hountou arigatou oni san

mad_cracker · 2006-07-17, 19:42

That software sure is hard to find^^'
I've been lokin for it but it seems that i'm searchin in the wrong places...
If you could give me a light where i can find it^^
I know i'm askin too much.. Gomen
Thanks a lot.

Schneizel · 2006-07-17, 19:50

...yeah, good luck googling for TenFX.

xat · 2006-07-17, 21:42

http://tentacleworks.net/index.php?o...electcat&cat=1

That's about as good as it'll get aside from contacting Tentacle personally. And yes, trying to achieve an effect like that via vsfilter is rather painful. If it doesn't crash, it'll take forever to encode.

mad_cracker · 2006-07-18, 08:00

Geez man. I'm realy thakful. I've never expected for so much help.
As I thought before, googling for it its almost impossible^^'
Thanks for the help^^

mad_cracker · 2006-07-18, 09:28

The program seems to have just 3 simple effects in it. I guess we have to make our own scripts and put them in asscalculator. The snow effect its cool^^
Since i'm no good at scripting, can someone help me how to make tha [KAA] Mai Hime's End effect with TenFex? I'm not quite sure how to use asscalculator. If anyone want to share feel free to do it plz^^

xat · 2006-07-18, 09:36

TenFex is not Asscalc, as far as I know. With regards to using asscalc, its function is rather obsolete in light of Aegisub's automation capacity. You might as well learn automation/lua scripting instead. Both asscalc/automation assume you have somewhat of a scripting/programming mentality, and it is definitely helpful if you are comfortable with ASS and all of its overrides. If you're weak in any of those fields, you need to learn some more.

jfs · 2006-07-18, 15:35

While it is still somewhat a work in progress, I can point you to the tutorial for multi-template.lua, a script for Aegisub Automation that is (somewhat) reminiscent of what AssCalc (as I've understood it

) does, but I hope it's better documented. You'll need to follow some other links around on the wiki for more info though. Probably.

As for getting TenFx, apart from probably needing a very good reason, you'll also need to get hold of Tentacle, that's just as hard

He only shows up very rarely, and tends to quickly disappear again.

mad_cracker · 2006-07-22, 08:15

Thanks for the tut. This is just a thought but i think that is too much easyer to work with AFX then aegisub. Why do ppl prefere to use ASS? When i saw shinji's works in karaokes he became my idol in this matter. The quality of AFX (well made) karaokes is far better than the best of ASS. This is just what i think. Can you give me a reason to work with ASS instead of AFX? (just askin^^)
Question: when you have the script what do you do next? do you have to make more effects on aegisub or do you only need de {\k}? where do i put de script and make it run? Thanks for the help

SCR512 · 2006-07-22, 08:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad_cracker

Thanks for the tut. This is just a thought but i think that is too much easyer to work with AFX then aegisub. Why do ppl prefere to use ASS? When i saw shinji's works in karaokes he became my idol in this matter. The quality of AFX (well made) karaokes is far better than the best of ASS. This is just what i think. Can you give me a reason to work with ASS instead of AFX? (just askin^^)
Question: when you have the script what do you do next? do you have to make more effects on aegisub or do you only need de {\k}? where do i put de script and make it run? Thanks for the help

To answer the first question why people use ASS as opposed to Adobe After Effects:
1.) The largest reason would be due to the fact that Adobe After Effects is a professional program with a professional price. That and it is a very versatile program. It wasn't designed for just solely creating karaoke effects.
2.) ASS is much more suited for karaoke effects because it is a specialist application (well not really an application but more like a framework) that is more-a-less built for making only karaoke effects.
3.) ASS is free!
4.) IMO it takes much more skill to do a really fancy or nice effect in ASS then Adobe After Effects. Trust me, hawt girls are more impressed with 5000 \clips than some simple Box Blur =p

So with 4.) that would make me a non-skilled bitch... or something

Regarding your other ASS question look back in this thread, there is a great wealth of information that should help you figure out how to create karaokes effects. Also, if you plan on doing karaoke effects in Adobe After Effects then you had better learn at the very least the basics of doing it in ASS. This will make you life SO much easier. The reason why I say that is because the people making fancy effects in Adobe After Effects more than likely have a good deal of experience doing it before in ASS.

mad_cracker · 2006-07-22, 11:21

In the past i used to work only with Aegisub. But then i saw shinji's works and i thought that is mutch funnyer to do with AFX. Have you ever tryed it? You can do much more things and more easyer than ASS. In the beggining of my miserable karaoke life (lol) for me aegisub was the best thing that hapened but than i saw AFX and it was like a dream. The tool is so powerful. You can do whatever you want.
By the way: are you a girl?

SCR512 · 2006-07-22, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad_cracker

In the past i used to work only with Aegisub. But then i saw shinji's works and i thought that is mutch funnyer to do with AFX. Have you ever tryed it? You can do much more things and more easyer than ASS. In the beggining of my miserable karaoke life (lol) for me aegisub was the best thing that hapened but than i saw AFX and it was like a dream. The tool is so powerful. You can do whatever you want.
By the way: are you a girl?

... Dude read my profile.

Date of Birth:
September 5, 1982 Age:
23 Gender:
Male

The whole comment about being a "bitch" is because I do most of my karaoke work SFX in Adobe After Effects. Again, look at my profile... Does Ayu or Eclipse ring a bell?

mad_cracker · 2006-07-22, 21:26

Geez man. Sorry^^'
It was the way you talk that made me think..
Btw Eclipse have some cool stuff^^

2006-07-14, 16:29	Link #223
jfs Aegisub dev Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 39	Sure you mean \bord and not /bord ... anyway... It sounds like you have set the border style to 3 (ie. "box behind subs" rather than 1 which is the most common, and means "outline"). Just change that in your style definition. (In case you use Aegisub, it's the "Opaque box" option in the style editor, it should be unchecked.) Another possibility is that you simple make the border so huge it appears as if it was a box. Usually borders around sizes 2-5 pixels work the best, from my experience. Single-pixel borders more often than not make the text [i]less[/]i readable, or at least just look ugly. You can also experiment with putting two copies of the same text on top of each other (put them in different layers and give them the same \pos) with different border thickness and border color, to get a kind of "double outline" effect. __________________ Aegisub developer [ Forum \| Manual \| Feature requests \| Bug reports \| IRC ] Don't ask for: More VSFilter changes (I won't), karaoke effects, help in PM's

2006-07-15, 15:23	Link #225
jfs Aegisub dev Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 39	AFAIK, the [KAA] My-HiME effects are made by Tentacle with his own TexFX thing (which is neither ASS nor AFX based). I have no idea if AFX can do the same thing, but with enough persuation you can probably make it do it :P Since I'm an ASS guy, the most immediate way of doing the effect I can think of is to simply make lots of copies of the text to explode, clip it into small dots (such that you get colored, uncolored and partially and differently colored dots) and make those dots move in an explosion-like way. I hope you get what I mean :P (Of course that's horribly ineffecient to do with VSFilter and just might make it crash if attempted ) __________________ Aegisub developer [ Forum \| Manual \| Feature requests \| Bug reports \| IRC ] Don't ask for: More VSFilter changes (I won't), karaoke effects, help in PM's

2006-07-15, 20:09	Link #226
mad_cracker AFX ADDiCT Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal	It seems quite difficult to make it with ASS^^ But for Pros like you and the way you say things it looks very simple. Thanks for your time and for the help^^ And ASS rulez Peace Edit: Sorry to ask^^' Tentacle is the name of the software? loOl stupid question... __________________ ::AFX ADDiCT::. Last edited by mad_cracker; 2006-07-15 at 20:33.

2006-07-16, 06:15	Link #227
jfs Aegisub dev Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 39	No, Tentacle is the nick of the guy who wrote it. The software is called TenFX. I'm not sure if it's publicly available though. (He's also created the dreaded Asscalc program, which some people might know. I never tried to actually use it, but it really looks like black magic. As the name implies, it's a tool for creating ASS karaoke effects.) __________________ Aegisub developer [ Forum \| Manual \| Feature requests \| Bug reports \| IRC ] Don't ask for: More VSFilter changes (I won't), karaoke effects, help in PM's

2006-07-17, 11:32	Link #228
mad_cracker AFX ADDiCT Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal	That seems interesting^^ Thanks for the help again. My first impression of the ppl of this forum is realy good. Some times we get kicked just to say "hi" or something. its realy annoying^^' You seem to enjoy helping ppl. Thats good stuff. hountou arigatou oni san __________________ ::AFX ADDiCT::.

2006-06-08, 17:16	Link #221
Ayhashi Anime Madness Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 38	Well, i went by you advice of self learning shinjipierre. And i got it. I create this file and then animated with AE. added to the particular option and got the perfect effect. nice. Thanks.

2006-07-13, 19:59	Link #222
evil Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	I got a qs, I want to add a border to the words, but when I use /bord , it gives me a box all around every single word. What can I use to make the borders or outlines or watever =]

2006-07-15, 12:32	Link #224
mad_cracker AFX ADDiCT Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal	hi there. I've made some karokes for my fansub with AFX and now i'm with a problem. Does anyone know how to make the explosion effect of the sylabs like the ending of [KAA]Mai Hime. Its not realy like an explosion but my english is very bad and it was what came out first^^ Thanks for your time.

2006-07-17, 19:42	Link #229
mad_cracker AFX ADDiCT Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal	That software sure is hard to find^^' I've been lokin for it but it seems that i'm searchin in the wrong places... If you could give me a light where i can find it^^ I know i'm askin too much.. Gomen Thanks a lot. __________________ ::AFX ADDiCT::.

2006-07-17, 19:50	Link #230
Schneizel uwu Fansubber Join Date: Dec 2005	...yeah, good luck googling for TenFX.

2006-07-17, 21:42	Link #231
xat Senior Member Fansubber Join Date: Dec 2005	http://tentacleworks.net/index.php?o...electcat&cat=1 That's about as good as it'll get aside from contacting Tentacle personally. And yes, trying to achieve an effect like that via vsfilter is rather painful. If it doesn't crash, it'll take forever to encode.

2006-07-18, 08:00	Link #232
mad_cracker AFX ADDiCT Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal	Geez man. I'm realy thakful. I've never expected for so much help. As I thought before, googling for it its almost impossible^^' Thanks for the help^^ __________________ ::AFX ADDiCT::.

2006-07-18, 09:28	Link #233
mad_cracker AFX ADDiCT Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal	The program seems to have just 3 simple effects in it. I guess we have to make our own scripts and put them in asscalculator. The snow effect its cool^^ Since i'm no good at scripting, can someone help me how to make tha [KAA] Mai Hime's End effect with TenFex? I'm not quite sure how to use asscalculator. If anyone want to share feel free to do it plz^^ __________________ ::AFX ADDiCT::.

2006-07-18, 09:36	Link #234
xat Senior Member Fansubber Join Date: Dec 2005	TenFex is not Asscalc, as far as I know. With regards to using asscalc, its function is rather obsolete in light of Aegisub's automation capacity. You might as well learn automation/lua scripting instead. Both asscalc/automation assume you have somewhat of a scripting/programming mentality, and it is definitely helpful if you are comfortable with ASS and all of its overrides. If you're weak in any of those fields, you need to learn some more.

2006-07-18, 15:35	Link #235
jfs Aegisub dev Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 39	While it is still somewhat a work in progress, I can point you to the tutorial for multi-template.lua, a script for Aegisub Automation that is (somewhat) reminiscent of what AssCalc (as I've understood it ) does, but I hope it's better documented. You'll need to follow some other links around on the wiki for more info though. Probably. As for getting TenFx, apart from probably needing a very good reason, you'll also need to get hold of Tentacle, that's just as hard He only shows up very rarely, and tends to quickly disappear again. __________________ Aegisub developer [ Forum \| Manual \| Feature requests \| Bug reports \| IRC ] Don't ask for: More VSFilter changes (I won't), karaoke effects, help in PM's

2006-07-22, 08:15	Link #236
mad_cracker AFX ADDiCT Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal	Thanks for the tut. This is just a thought but i think that is too much easyer to work with AFX then aegisub. Why do ppl prefere to use ASS? When i saw shinji's works in karaokes he became my idol in this matter. The quality of AFX (well made) karaokes is far better than the best of ASS. This is just what i think. Can you give me a reason to work with ASS instead of AFX? (just askin^^) Question: when you have the script what do you do next? do you have to make more effects on aegisub or do you only need de {\k}? where do i put de script and make it run? Thanks for the help __________________ ::AFX ADDiCT::.

2006-07-22, 11:21	Link #238
mad_cracker AFX ADDiCT Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal	In the past i used to work only with Aegisub. But then i saw shinji's works and i thought that is mutch funnyer to do with AFX. Have you ever tryed it? You can do much more things and more easyer than ASS. In the beggining of my miserable karaoke life (lol) for me aegisub was the best thing that hapened but than i saw AFX and it was like a dream. The tool is so powerful. You can do whatever you want. By the way: are you a girl? __________________ ::AFX ADDiCT::.

2006-07-22, 21:26	Link #240
mad_cracker AFX ADDiCT Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal	Geez man. Sorry^^' It was the way you talk that made me think.. Btw Eclipse have some cool stuff^^ __________________ ::AFX ADDiCT::.