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2011-12-28, 00:18 | Link #18724 |
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Federal forces sully Mexico's war on drugs
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7BQ0BN20111227
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2011-12-28, 00:19 | Link #18725 | |
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Try studying Kabbalah, gotta say it's certainly is interesting. However, with regard to the laws of the Hebrews. Many of the old Hebrew laws are believed to have been passed down from the Code of Hammurabi. Hammurabi's code came from the law of Ur-Nammu, and that law is believed to have come from Shem (the so called 7 Noahide Laws). Please note, I said these laws are believed to come from one another, there is no definitive proof that they do.
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2011-12-28, 01:00 | Link #18726 |
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It is interesting to discuss the origins and merits of certain societal laws, however, that's obviously not the issue with the debate about UOD Jews harrassing a schoolgirl. They have the right to their opinions, but as I see it, not to "enforce" them with harrassment on public streets. Visitors to, say, Amish country in the US are obliged to drive a little more cautiously on roads frequented by buggies, but I venture to say few would find that offensive. Spitting and, frankly, acting like Fred Phelps' followers, on the other hand... When was the last time you heard of Amish people spitting at and denouncing as whores women who dared enter Lancaster County, Pennsylvania without a full dress and shawl? Yes, unfortunately, people who enter those neighborhoods in Israel should be forewarned of certain loose-cannon UOD's, just as people should be forewarned when vacationing in Mexico these days, but is it at all justified if they get harrassed or hurt?
Meanwhile, I must admit that I support the idea of woman-only rail cars in Japan. If certain rail lines have a persistent groper problem, are too crowded for security cameras to have much effect, and women demand them, then I feel it's a sensible choice. I think it's sad that things have supposedly gotten to that level, and there would probably be some significant legal/civil rights issues over such a thing in America, but this is an issue only the Japanese themselves can figure out. Likewise, same with Israel. I'm just a stupid American; I'm not exactly familiar with the labyrinths of Japanese and Israeli laws and customs, so I can't prescribe their solutions for them. I can only offer my opinions. Unfortunately in both societies, it seems some women are being victimized with opposite motives, if you will. |
2011-12-28, 11:13 | Link #18727 |
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There's a difference between the Japanese rail car example, and the girl walking through the ultra-conservative neighbourhood example.
In the former, the state is giving an option to women, IE you can stand in a normal rail car, or stand in one of these women-only rail cars we have provided. They're never compelled to go into the railcar (other then by the groping the male passengers perform). For instance, the female passengers won't be harrassed to go into their car, though one could foresee a situation where any woman in a normal car was seen as "fair game" by potential gropers, as they "knew" that groping always occurs in the mixed gender cars etc. In the latter case, the woman doesn't have a choice, other then to avoid that neighborhood entirely. That may not be possible if the woman has to pass through the neighborhood to reach her workplace, for instance. It's never right for any residents to harass someone physically for not abiding by one of their customs, however, communities to have a right to define their own norms, and people visiting such a community should always attempt to abide by them. This is a grey area though, for instance, what if half the community is ultra-orthodox, and the other liberal? One community does not have any right to inflict their beliefs on the other. In this case, the communities would need to be seperated. Furthermore, while it may be proper to restrict superficial matters like clothing, conservative communities should not have a right to dictate the activities of anyone, EG whether a woman has the right to walk alone, or to work. Likewise, no community has the right to discriminate against a person for something they cannot change, like their skin colour, or gender. This applies anywhere, conservative communities can be allowed to do as they like, so long as they're not imposing themselves on anyone else. If a foreign person enters that community, it's correct to expect that person to pay heed to the societal mores of the area, unless they are overly onerous (dress in a certain way- yes, have to go to church or not work- no). When in Rome, do as the Romans do, but the Romans should never force you to be fully Roman. |
2011-12-28, 11:50 | Link #18728 | ||
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We surely can be mortified by the actions of the UOD Jews, and condemn them for this ridiculously primitive behavior (spitting on anyone reminds me of monkeys throwing feces at the zoo), but do we have a right to tell another country what traditions it should be allowed to have? Quote:
I've the rumors, but I thought that's all they were. If we are going to get angry about Japan and Israel making these types of laws or tolerating the bad behavior of some of their citizens, then we had better get serious about "White Slavery" worldwide first. These things need to be prioritized IMO, and human trafficking is far worse than what either Japan or Israel has done and/or tolerated. The Sex Trade in the United States http://updates.adventures.org/?filen...-united-states The Protection project has been trying to help stop this horrible practice since 1996, but there simply isn't enough public support. I blame the media for this. The US media are quick to attack policies that segregate women, and rightfully so, but are in general silent about the sex trade right here in the United States.
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2011-12-28, 12:02 | Link #18729 | |
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2011-12-28, 12:02 | Link #18730 | |
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Wendy's returns to Japan, with foie gras on menu
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2011-12-28, 12:15 | Link #18731 |
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Ahh, Wendy's. We used to have one not far from the campus, and for 3 dollars you can get a quite decent lunch. We visit the place very often and order the same thing almost every time. Unfortunately the place closed down after a couple of years, and it become a joke among our buddies that we ate the restaurant to bankruptcy.
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2011-12-28, 12:25 | Link #18732 |
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"Nothing frightening" seen in Syria protest hotbed: monitor
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7BO0B620111228 Of course, as if the millitary would shoot civilians in front of the monitor team.
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2011-12-28, 17:39 | Link #18734 |
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Netanyahu: Israel will fight harassment of women in the public sphere
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...phere-1.404189
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2011-12-28, 21:16 | Link #18735 | |
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2011-12-28, 23:03 | Link #18736 |
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There's no magic wall between countries... you see someone beating the crap out of their family member next door and do nothing? No, you at least call authorities - or shame them publicly, or get the village together and lynch the guy Countries are no different (Chinese assertions aside).
Even if the guy is just making his family wear funny hats, he should expect others on the street to raise their eyebrow and comment.
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2011-12-28, 23:14 | Link #18737 |
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U.S. Fifth Fleet says won't allow Hormuz disruption
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7BR09E20111228
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2011-12-28, 23:19 | Link #18738 | |
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"Mother" tortures boy for 2 years The thing is, the neighbours just pretend that it isn't their business. I think Singapore can uphold their standard of being a "fine city" by dishing out fines to ignoring neighbours on the same floor if they are unable to prove that they are not at home at the time. There have been calls on the local net that call for the burning of the witch, but as usual, it will subside, nothing will be done until the next incident.
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2011-12-28, 23:30 | Link #18739 |
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Well presently, the Fifth (Arabian Sea/Persian Gulf/Red Sea) and Seventh Fleets (Western Pacific/Indian Ocean) are the forward active combat fleets, so they do know what they are doing.
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2011-12-28, 23:54 | Link #18740 | |
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Though I think they might have the ability if they are launching ballistic missiles against the fleet.
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