Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon - S2 - Episode 08 Discussion / Poll

[Xellos-_^]

so i was wrong about the pole dance. Toori was trying to pull it out.

[Ray]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

so i was wrong about the pole dance. Toori was trying to pull it out.

I guess. It still looked like one, though. And thus, I will consider it to be one.

[shadow1296]

Originally Posted by Aphrah

I guess. It still looked like one, though. And thus, I will consider it to be one.

pole dance? i thought he was just humping the sword

[Ray]

Originally Posted by shadow1296

pole dance? i thought he was just humping the sword

Same difference. ;p

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

England has also earned P.A ODA's enimity....and P.A ODA is easily the strongest single faction around.

Well I think another factor why Elizabeth sided with Musashi is that it seems that deep down, she wants Toori to succeed and put a stop to the Apocalypse and the history recreation considering how the latter tore her apart from her sister.

I'm not particularly well versed in history, but I don't think this incident will have a huge impact between England and P.A ODA, considering I doubt there will be a major event England will have to reenact with them anyway. At most it would definitely lead to tension between them, but P.A ODA wouldn't have much benefit to wage war against England, especially if you consider the numerous events during the Sengoku and Tokugawa period they would have to deal with.

[Cosmic Eagle]

There is no recreation yes....at least because the next major step that P.A ODA plays in involves Musashi and Russia mainly....

But actual history then is very different from the GENESIS era where people can run around and interfere in backroom scheming and such. They can still strike against each others' interests.


Especially when you consider how closely related P.A ODA and M.H.R.R are....

[j0x]

so England and Musashi have team-up now but Tenzo is going to save Bloody Mary and will that break the team-up of England and Musashi later? those darn cliffhangers lol

[Marcus H.]

Especially when you consider how closely related P.A ODA and M.H.R.R are....

It's funny, though. They represent two powerful religions during that time: Islam or Murasai (P.A. ODA) and Christianity or Tsirhcianity (M.H.R.R.).

And as for Toshiie Maeda's Kaga Milliongeist, I think that army is just a million ants compared to the power of Horizon's Lype Katathlipse + Aspitha Phylargyria. Horizon's exposure to Akedia Katathlipse unlocked the pain of dejection, and this will become a secondary source of power if Toori is elsewhere.

Of course, add Toori to the equation and we have an entire class of elites.

But that's just 3-Plum versus Maeda. There's still five members of the Five Great Peaks to handle.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by j0x

so England and Musashi have team-up now but Tenzo is going to save Bloody Mary and will that break the team-up of England and Musashi later? those darn cliffhangers lol

From my understanding part of the agreement is that as long as Mary wanted to die Musashi would not turn on england which is why what Tenzo is going to do is try to change her mind.

Also Toori never stops amazing me at how he can be so silly yet serious at the same time.

[Xellos-_^]

since Asama is a Cleric, does she have a Bonus against Toshii's undead army?

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

It's funny, though. They represent two powerful religions during that time: Islam or Murasai (P.A. ODA) and Christianity or Tsirhcianity (M.H.R.R.).

And as for Toshiie Maeda's Kaga Milliongeist, I think that army is just a million ants compared to the power of Horizon's Lype Katathlipse + Aspitha Phylargyria. Horizon's exposure to Akedia Katathlipse unlocked the pain of dejection, and this will become a secondary source of power if Toori is elsewhere.

Of course, add Toori to the equation and we have an entire class of elites.

But that's just 3-Plum versus Maeda. There's still five members of the Five Great Peaks to handle.

P.A ODA and M.H.R.R are linked more by the clan ties on the Sengoku side....Hashiba and the Oda faction etc...

[Silvance]

That was a good episode. The part with Asama definitely cracked me up. Her reaction to the awkward silence was just cute.

[~Yami~]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Thousands of undead doesn't mean that much: actually, they are only undead, so the only advantage would be their sheer numbers.

Musashi's fleet also includes their officers, which means: A god of War, 2 witches, a Divine Weapon wielder, a Miko, enormous ether reserve with a special supplier, several special agents etc.
Also, most of them have contracts with Shinto Gods, an ability for Musashi Residents that allows them to use shinto spells, and relying on offerings instead of only ether (that was considered by both Muneshige and Gin as a very troublesome point in season 1).
Finally, they have Horizon and her DSA, which alone trumps whatever Toshiie can pretend to offer.

Really, Musashi's firepower is by far much more destructive and useful than Toshiie undead army, which is why everyone in the meeting room were shocked to hear that, while Elizabeth was plenty satisfied with it.
Having a DSA is already a huge factor in battle, so a nation with 2 of them would definitely have an edge in a war, especially considering the one Horizon currently has, while Tres Espana will not be able to use their Testament Arma, so they would be stuck with only Byakko and their agents, and without any DSA to back their own army.

And no, that scar Tenzou got was when he shielded Mary when the convoy ship crashed in England, to which she was supposed to have healed it completely during the bath scene.

ah! when I think about it, that makes sense...

so Mary actually didn't heal Tenzou's scar.... that's sweet...

so if Tenzou actually can change Mary's determination to die, Musashi will take action to rescue Mary...
if it's happen during war with Tres Espana, it will turn to be a big disadvantage for England... although I'm sure Elizabeth is aware of it and hopefully really wish her sister to be saved by Musashi

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

It's funny, though. They represent two powerful religions during that time: Islam or Murasai (P.A. ODA) and Christianity or Tsirhcianity (M.H.R.R.).

I've always wondered, how did they come up with those Acronyms ?

[NoemiChan]

The Samurai guy.... no fighting...

*sleeps again...

[articuzwolf]

when Toshiie summoned that thousands of dead soldiers

I'm surprised that there is no joke or at least reaction from Christopher Hatton

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by articuzwolf

when Toshiie summoned that thousands of dead soldiers

I'm surprised that there is no joke or at least reaction from Christopher Hatton

Funny.. when these two clashes against each other... It'll be a bloodless battle...

Anyway...Freebies

[Marcus H.]

I've always wondered, how did they come up with those Acronyms ?

P.A. ODA represents Persia, Arabia, and the Oda feudal clan. The M in their academy, P.A.M., means "madrasah", the standard educational institution in Islamic countries.

I don't know what the M in M.H.R.R. means, but H.R.R. means "Heiliges Romisches Reich", "Holy Roman Empire" in German.

[Cosmic Eagle]

It stands for Momoyama.

As in Azuchi-Momoyama period of the Sengoku Jidai

The name comes from the Momoyama Castle of Toyotomi Hideyoshi (M.H.R.R are the Hashiba faction of Hideyoshi)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Okay, I'll try to commit all that to memory this time