2010-11-02, 15:32 | Link #18321 |
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Based on what little sense the rules make, those reds are valid... for Bern's side. If they choose not to use them, Battler isn't permitted to rely on them.
Which is flat-out moronic, of course, but I get the sense he was having trouble writing ep5 cogently and had to do something to drum up tension to bring about the endgame.
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If you want an executive summary:
Original Work -> Interactivity -> "Episode" Transformation The episodes we read are the final layer. We call these the "episodes," so when I refer to ep1, ep5, etc. I mean the actual novels we've got to read. They contain everything we see. Board scenes, magic, meta-world, 1998, the works. When I refer to the works by name - Legend, End, etc. - I am referring to the mythical in-universe works, in whatever format they take. They could be identical to the versions we read, but my personal opinion is they almost certainly aren't. The question is, how far down the chain do each of those elements go? That is harder to say. If you want my opinion, I suspect the first-order fictions have, at most, the board + magic scenes, but I really am starting to think that they're all like Legend and contain no explicit magical elements. Those are layered in by the in-universe "readers" and interpreters, and their interpretation forms the meta-layer. We're then presented with the whole package at once as though it were a single work. Can I back that up? Only circumstantially, hence my opinion. Anyway, the in-universe fictions probably have to have been written between 1986 and 1998, but there is always the possibility that ep7 and ep8 come later and the "present" of Umineko is some time in the future. No way to know, except the occasional anachronistic reference by the author (there's one that potentially fixes it as late as 2006, if we ignore the Higurashi stuff and Jessica's concert, but that reference is probably a joke like those things).
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2010-11-02, 16:45 | Link #18323 |
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I thought it was pretty clear that the purpose of the inconsistencies were to show how disrespectful, assholish, childish assholes Bern and company are. They don't care about anything but scribbling all over other people's work, making a mess, breaking the rules, and bullying people, and they don't care if they look stupid and immature doing it.
They're basically sociopaths.
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Another thing that somewhat bothers me relating to the net is... well in 1998 the net wasn't that much, the net that Hachijou and Ange speak about seems like it's more what the net became after 2000s. Edit: If anything I seriously doubt Hachijou's letters would've gained that fame back then. |
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And the Touhou reference isn't a joke, Jessica really is Marisa. |
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2010-11-02, 19:53 | Link #18333 |
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Well, I think their being children was a big hint to their personalities a loooong time ago. Generally speaking, if you meet an immortal being that takes the form of a child, get the fuck out of there.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...rtalImmaturity
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2010-11-02, 20:24 | Link #18335 |
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Actually read the article. It's not about immortals acting like spoiled brats or bullies, it's about bullies acting exactly like their age-appearance, instead of their actual age in years. You can't really argue that Hanyuu doesn't act like a cute kid, and she very rarely acts like someone who's been around for hundreds of years.
Rika would be the one who subverts the trope, as her mind actually did develop.
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Ah yeah you're right about the Siestas. Tho I still feel like Hachijou's internet was ahead of it's time. Actually in arc 4 (the parts with Ange in the future) is there any mention of the internet?
Actually neither Higurashi nor Touhou were ever named, only we got the references. Still, this is Umineko, surely one could claim that Jessica's cosplay was nothing but a coincidence and that Battler's favorite mystery novel just happens to have a character's mother saying the same line as in Higurashi. Hey after all, LD is not Takano and Bern is not Rika, so this isn't asking any more. |
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Anyway, I agree with AT. Bern and Lambda both fall under this trope.
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2010-11-02, 20:45 | Link #18339 |
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And boy do they brutally play it for all it's worth. They're basically exactly what you get if you take a 13 year old child, torture and humiliate them for a hundred years, then give them absolute immortality and near-omnipotent, reality-sundering powers. Check back after a thousand years and you basically have Bern.
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My post was towards AuraTwilight's post about watching out for the beings that look like children, not the article on TVTropes. Also if you read my post, you could figure that I was referring to the traits listed and not the general traits regarding this trope, I already knew Hanyuu was on that TVTropes article page and I was in fact pointing that out (This wasn't my first time reading that page). Please watch how you talk to people Mikachiru (or rather "talk at" since my post didn't concern you at all).
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