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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 162 | 45.38% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 29 | 8.12% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 8.96% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 42 | 11.76% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 15 | 4.20% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 15 | 4.20% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 7 | 1.96% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 5 | 1.40% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 10 | 2.80% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 40 | 11.20% | |
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2009-09-13, 17:53 | Link #1021 | |
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I'm speaking from a community wide perspective, not a personal perspective. I loved Endless Eight but regardless of that fact it is always going to be somthing negative which is associated with the series. |
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2009-09-13, 18:06 | Link #1022 |
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I'd say the primary cause for the defense of Endless Eight is that there must be a logical reason for it to have been produced. While I've seen companies and stories that make no sense, Haruhi has never been one of those. And aside from Munto, KyoAni hasn't been a company that seems to make extremely bad judgement calls...and Munto was their own baby...and they themselves cut it short so they could do their movie.
Everything else suggests there must have been a viable reason to make Endless Eight eight episodes long. It might not have been a good idea, but there must be some logic behind it, or else it wouldn' have been produced...as the way they produced it seems expensive, with the primary suggestion that the finacial returns won't be up to par with normal sales results, and possibly result in a loss of money...at least for some of those episodes.
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2009-09-13, 18:06 | Link #1023 | ||
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Simply wow. How can you be so certain that all of the source material is going to be adapted? We're talking about an animation studio that took three years to produce any new episodes for what was a phenomenally well-received anime that took the anime world by storm. If you compare Haruhi to somewhat similarly well-received anime (Code Geass, Nanoha, Shakugan no Shana, etc...), Haruhi stands out as a prominent anime that took an unusually long period of time to produce any new episodes after the conclusion of the original run. That, in and of itself, is enough to question KyoAni's ability, desire, and willingness to animate all of the source material. I think that there's a very good chance that one of the costs of E8 is that at least some of the Haruhi source material may never receive the animation treatment. Beyond that, there's any number of things that could result in some of the source material never being animated (don't forget that we're in a weak global economy right now)... and a lot of that source material could have already been animated if less episodes were used for Endless Eight. There's no good reason whatsoever for why they couldn't have done 3 episodes for E8, and 5 for Disappearance, instead of 8 for E8. Beyond that, E8 became painfully boring for me after awhile. The subtitles made my eyes metaphorically bleed out of excruciating familiarity with them. Is a joke funny the seventh time that it's said? Not for most people; most people are bored of it by then. The same is certainly true of having to endure Itsuki's lengthy exposition on the time loop seven times (thankfully, the first E8 episode never had it). You obviously have a high tolerance level for repetition, and that's fine. A lot of people don't. I don't (not that high, any way). And that's ultimately what it comes down to. 1. E8 may very well come at the price of less Haruhi novel material getting animated. 2. A lot of people simply do not want to watch the same basic narrative eight times over. Period. This really shouldn't be hard to understand.
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2009-09-13, 18:30 | Link #1024 | |
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The point of the story did NOT need so many episodes, and most of them have absolutely no storytelling value over the previous or the next. They were simply waste. E8 felt like a challenge to make "art for the love of art", but failed because art has a point and a value, and repeating the same episode over and over had neither - in the end, it wasn't "art", it was "soul-less technical performance". |
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2009-09-14, 12:19 | Link #1025 | ||
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Endless Eight by your description is boring yes, You are however missing a LOT of the hidden little touches which make it a good arc (Not the best in anime history but tolerable at least). The ending simply could not have been done without that length of the arc, And on the point of story telling value. I believe that is EXACTLY what they are going for. They wanted it to feel like it was a repetition with no worth, nothing special about it. At least that's what i think. Quote:
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2009-09-14, 12:39 | Link #1026 |
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By this argument, you're denying that an entire genre of music (minimalism) is art, and I have to disagree with that. A point and a value can be present in repetition. (Also, have you heard of the music composition 4'33"?)
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The thing is, these points and value and character development didn't need it to be stretched for such a long time. Imagine a piece of rubber, 10 cm long. You write a message on it. No you can grab its side and stretch it to 50 cm. The message doesn't improve nor multiply, it's just deformed and annoying to read. |
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2009-09-14, 14:25 | Link #1029 | |
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Everything about EE can be argued based on opinion, Nothing else we can really do there :/. |
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2009-09-16, 05:16 | Link #1031 | |
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You know, a decent team of script-writers could do that. And don't get me wrong, I don't hate EE arc, but understand why people hate it. |
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2009-09-16, 11:30 | Link #1034 | |
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What else could they have done with four episodes? There's not too much more canon material they could use. There's the Melancholy of Mikuru Asahina, which fits in this time-frame, and would be perfect for the moe-tastic 2009 art style. It's not really good for more than an episode. There's also Editor-in-Chief, which I think occurs in this timeframe, and could've been dragged out to two episodes. Which would've left one or two anime-original episodes. Arguably, though, we got six anime-original episodes instead.
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2009-09-16, 11:55 | Link #1036 |
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You see, this is what happens when I can't get to baka-tsuki and have to rely on Wikipedia's craptastic novel synopses. In that case, KyoAni would've needed four to six anime-original episodes to round out a S1 chronology. Which, strangely enough, leads us back to the endless E8, or a long E8 and a couple, or more, original anime-original episodes (where would you fit them, though? As it is, the SOS-dan has so much crap going on during its first half-year, it's a wonder any of them ever get any sleep. ) Which would probably anger the novel purists that the production committee believes makes up the Haruhi fanbase. Possibly more than grossly stretching out a canon story has already.
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2009-09-16, 12:13 | Link #1037 | |
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2009-09-16, 14:12 | Link #1038 | |
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And actually, the ratings started to fall with the third E8 ep, and plummeted by the fourth. The people who LIKED it are, actually, the vocal minority. |
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