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2009-05-04, 05:52 | Link #42 |
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If people are using the IE8 installer, it says right there under the Express Install Settings: "Make Internet Explorer 8 the default browser." So Microsoft isn't hiding anything at all. I'm not sure if it displays the same thing when upgrading via Windows Update though as I used the standalone installer.
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2009-05-04, 07:18 | Link #43 | ||
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Microsoft knows that many, many computer users are simply incapable of fixing things like a change to the default browser. Perhaps someone else installed Firefox or Opera for them, but now that Windows Update switched them to IE8, they'll just stick with it because they won't know how to switch back. I'd also suggest that most users will choose the "Express" settings on that screen you included which will also change their default browser. I realize it says in the list of Express settings that IE will become the default, but how many people will actually read that list and think about them? Why shouldn't the default setting be "leave things as they are" rather than making IE be the default? I've been wondering why Microsoft doesn't think this little trick won't run afoul of the EU's competition regulators.
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2009-05-04, 07:23 | Link #44 | |
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Hmm I'll try and see whether installing IE8 through Windows Update doesn't bring up the first run Setup. BRB with results.
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Nevermind. I read the updated article and the guy admits his mistake. UPDATE: Installed IE8 via Windows Update. It still didn't set itself as default browser. All those articles crying about IE8 being all sneaky and making itself the default browser are spreading FUD. Last edited by mechabao; 2009-05-04 at 08:19. Reason: clarified something |
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2009-05-04, 13:59 | Link #45 | |
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I will test via installing via the installer. *snapshots his pre-IE8 install of Windows XP in a VirtualBox VM and attempts an installation* I can definitely confirm that it does not usurp the status of default browser during installation. I opened another application, notably Mozilla Thunderbird, and it opened a link in Firefox like it's supposed to. During the first run of IE8, it does specifically ask you if you want to set IE8 as your default browser. I told IE8 to leave my system alone. However, it WAS set to usurp control if I didn't make a choice, which I will get to in a bit. Your point has been made, but I still have a few points of my own to make. The fact of the matter is that it's still rude to usurp control of which browser is considered "default" if it does so with neither knowledge nor consent. While it is good that IE8's first-run program does offer you the opportunity to tell it which browser should be the default, it is not cool to arbitrarily make the default answer itself. And yes, you do have to pay attention when you're doing this because the option DOES rather blend in, so the quick-clicker will miss it. As such, this can (key word) qualify as "sneaky" or "underhanded". However, to get this window, at least via the installer I ran, you must consciously run iexplore.exe however you do it (I do it through Start/Run because I told Windows to remove the icons). The moral of this story:
Just because it does work as you said, that's no excuse for you to hurl insults at people. --Ian, who considers IE8 to be little more than yet another hotfix to be installed... |
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2009-05-04, 14:19 | Link #46 |
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They're called Express Settings for a reason. Microsoft did its job and listed the things that the Express Settings changes so really how can you blame them? Would paying a little attention to the setup process kill people?
If there are complaints to be made about IE8 they should be about how it utterly fails the Acid 3 web standards test, or how it's slow compared to Opera/Firefox/Chrome, or how slow it is to open new tabs(UPDATE: It's most likely due to Spybot S&D's Immunization), it's listed under Windows Updates instead of Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel etc. Last edited by mechabao; 2009-05-04 at 16:46. |
2009-05-04, 16:52 | Link #47 | |
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Yes, I agree that people should pay attention and make choices accordingly (like I did with my VM which I have since reverted to pre-IE8 install). Allowing people the chance to make the choice is good, make no mistake. However, Microsoft really needs to respect how people wish to operate their computers a little more, especially given what was mentioned about their case in Europe where they're essentially getting garroted instead of slapped on the wrist as they are here in the States. Some people really are going to actually treat the software the same way as I regard it, little more than yet another in a VERY long string of security fixes. --Ian. |
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2009-05-04, 17:01 | Link #48 | |
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PS I don't even use IE8 but all the FUD about this that I've seen on the Web is annoying as hell. Last edited by mechabao; 2009-05-04 at 17:26. |
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2009-05-04, 19:29 | Link #49 | |
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Well, I have installed IE8 on the system, but I always do a custom setting... If the default browser change, just change it back... it's not really that hard to do... but it's clearly said in Express that it would change it. It's pretty much FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. if nobody seen that term before) like mentioned earlier. Not only IE does it, but other windows software does it too and you won't realize something else is installed... At least this stuff doesn't happen on Mac OS X and Linux.
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2009-11-20, 17:12 | Link #50 |
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If when using opera you occasionally get the opera torrent dialog or get to choose between it and your default, then try disabling opera's torrent manager (don't forget to save).
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