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Revolutionist · 2008-09-20, 20:14

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Originally Posted by Vakir

I thought the Shen-Hu was roughly equal to the the Guren Kashoshiki regardless of the energy outage and Bismarck absolutely destroyed the Shen-Hu?

You're oversimplifying it to very basic movements. You're not thinking about how the "Live" Geass might've made him move faster than he would normally push himself to go on his own thought process, or even the tiniest little flows or dodges that Kallen wouldn't know to do in order to lay out the best possible path.

Yes, the Guren Kashoshiki was even with the Shen-Hu, which means that Galahad > Guren Kashoshiki since Bismark whooped Xingke. With Geass Bismark probably would win against Kallen since he seemed to be doing well against Albion until live on activated on Suzaku lol.

Vakir · 2008-09-20, 20:18

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Originally Posted by morbosfist

Questionable source means it's not something to be taken at face value. When it comes to which is the better machine, I consider the show a better indicator. It hasn't shown anything yet that indicates that the energy wing on the Lancelot somehow works better, feather spam aside, from that on the Guren.

It was also designed specifically for him. I mean, isn't that another pretty extensive advantage? The SEITEN may've been tooled around a lot experimentally, but it wasn't custom crafted for Kallen's care.

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The Shenhu is better, they pretty much say so, Xingke just can't push it to the limit.

Open up the limit
past the point of no return
You've reached the top but still you gotta learn
how to keep iiiiiiiit?

morbosfist · 2008-09-20, 20:21

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Originally Posted by Vakir

It was also designed specifically for him. I mean, isn't that another pretty extensive advantage? The SEITEN may've been tooled around a lot experimentally, but it wasn't custom crafted for Kallen's care.

Fair enough. By the same token, however, the Guren is a fusion of Lloyd and Rakshata's work. The two greatest scientists in the series made this latest Guren. Also, as Lloyd comments, Rakshata's machine is easy to work around. She's obviously a fan of modular design. They had to build the Albion from scratch to get it to do something similar.

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Originally Posted by Vakir

Open up the limit
past the point of no return
You've reached the top but still you gotta learn
how to keep iiiiiiiit?

Song?

Vakir · 2008-09-20, 20:23

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Originally Posted by morbosfist

Fair enough. By the same token, however, the Guren is a fusion of Lloyd and Rakshata's work. The two greatest scientists in the series made this latest Guren. Also, as Lloyd comments, Rakshata's machine is easy to work around. She's obviously a fan of modular design. They had to build the Albion from scratch to get it to do something similar.

Also fair enough. We could also wonder that maybe the second time, the overall use of the same technology would be better so the experience would yield greater results in spite of it not being involved with Rakshata.

Lots of Z variables in here. Guess we'll just need to wait another 6.5 hours.

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Song?

Push It to the Limit (best known from Scarface). I just found your use of the phrase amusing in coordination with it.

Freya · 2008-09-20, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Revolutionist

Yes, the Guren Kashoshiki was even with the Shen-Hu, which means that Galahad > Guren Kashoshiki since Bismark whooped Xingke. With Geass Bismark probably would win against Kallen since he seemed to be doing well against Albion until live on activated on Suzaku lol.

Wheres the proof that Shen-Hu>Guren? Just because of the energy output used? That's rediculus.

Vakir · 2008-09-20, 20:25

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Wheres the proof that Shen-Hu>Guren? Just because of the energy output used? That's rediculus.

Because it equaled it at 40%. We're saying that if the Galahad beat the Shen-Hu at roughly the same power, and the Shen-Hu equaled the Guren before it ran out of power, naturally the Galahad would beat the Guren (not the SEITEN, of course).

Read. The energy output DOES render how powerful it is.

Freya · 2008-09-20, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Vakir

Because it equaled it at 40%. We're saying that if the Galahad beat the Shen-Hu at roughly the same power, and the Shen-Hu equaled the Guren before it ran out of power, naturally the Galahad would beat the Guren (not the SEITEN, of course).

Read. The energy output DOES render how powerful it is.

Yes. but the guy above me was saying Galahad>Guren Seiten.

Vakir · 2008-09-20, 20:28

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Originally Posted by Freya

Yes. but the guy above me was saying Galahad>Guren Seiten.

No, he's saying that Galahad with the Geass would beat it because Kallen doesn't have a Live Geass.

morbosfist · 2008-09-20, 20:50

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Originally Posted by Vakir

Also fair enough. We could also wonder that maybe the second time, the overall use of the same technology would be better so the experience would yield greater results in spite of it not being involved with Rakshata.

Lots of Z variables in here. Guess we'll just need to wait another 6.5 hours.

guess so. One thing, though. The Albion, judging by their dialog, was being built first. The Guren was just upgraded because they had it. If anything, the energy wings on the Guren would be superior because they're the second model.

Tokkan · 2008-09-20, 20:54

Albion's energy wings also function as a weapon, we've yet to see the SEITEN's energy wings function like that. Though considering that they can cover the SEITEN's body and the Albion's wings don't look quite wide enough to cover it's body, I think the SEITEN's wings can double as a shield.

lovecakecookies · 2008-09-20, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

Albion's energy wings also function as a weapon, we've yet to see the SEITEN's energy wings function like that. Though considering that they can cover the SEITEN's body and the Albion's wings don't look quite wide enough to cover it's body, I think the SEITEN's wings can double as a shield.

I was going to ask someone this because that's what I was thinking...

morbosfist · 2008-09-20, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

Albion's energy wings also function as a weapon, we've yet to see the SEITEN's energy wings function like that. Though considering that they can cover the SEITEN's body and the Albion's wings don't look quite wide enough to cover it's body, I think the SEITEN's wings can double as a shield.

Probably because they don't function as weapons. Also, the Albion's wings can cover it. You can see it do so right after Bismarck activates his Geass.

Dandylion · 2008-09-20, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

Albion's energy wings also function as a weapon, we've yet to see the SEITEN's energy wings function like that. Though considering that they can cover the SEITEN's body and the Albion's wings don't look quite wide enough to cover it's body, I think the SEITEN's wings can double as a shield.

Same thing with the Albion, I mean their pretty much on equal terms the difference lies in color and number of energy wings they have, we don't know if the SEITEN can fire lasers from it like the Albion, we don't know if the Albion's wings can slice through anything, the description details that they're pretty much on the same level.

Vakir · 2008-09-20, 21:10

You know, for all our analysis, I bet the best we're going to get is a green ball and a red ball colliding mid-air for a minute and that's it. : /

Freya · 2008-09-20, 21:16

What do those rings do anyways? When Albion and Seiten flashes their wings.

morbosfist · 2008-09-20, 21:17

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What do those rings do anyways? When Albion and Seiten flashes their wings.

It's to tell the opponent that they will be wearing halos very soon.

HeavyMetal · 2008-09-20, 21:19

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Originally Posted by Freya

What do those rings do anyways? When Albion and Seiten flashes their wings.

They indicate they are currently invincible, you have to hit them at least one so they drop their rings, and then it's gameover ;P

Tokkan · 2008-09-20, 21:20

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Probably because they don't function as weapons. Also, the Albion's wings can cover it. You can see it do so right after Bismarck activates his Geass.

I do not see the Albion's wings wrapping all around its body. That's what I mean by "cover".

morbosfist · 2008-09-20, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

I do not see the Albion's wings wrapping all around its body. That's what I mean by "cover".

Like so?

Tokkan · 2008-09-20, 21:26

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Like so?

... Oh, like I would notice that, it's only 2 frames where it's like that.

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Freya Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yokosuka, Japan	What do those rings do anyways? When Albion and Seiten flashes their wings. __________________

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Tokkan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Age: 35	Albion's energy wings also function as a weapon, we've yet to see the SEITEN's energy wings function like that. Though considering that they can cover the SEITEN's body and the Albion's wings don't look quite wide enough to cover it's body, I think the SEITEN's wings can double as a shield.

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Vakir Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008	You know, for all our analysis, I bet the best we're going to get is a green ball and a red ball colliding mid-air for a minute and that's it. : /