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Skane · 2012-03-31, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Craxuan

Probably has something to do with her Adult Form most likely. Remember that Einhalt saw the memories of er... I don't remember the name, BUT, it looks like Vivio's starting to have the same reaction as well.

So Miura punched her so hard, it reversed her amnesia?

Narf.

Key Board · 2012-03-31, 11:48

maybe going into adult form too often is finally taking a toll on her body

What's she's doing each time is she's forcibly rearranging her physical structure and making it go into overclock in order to have a form that brings out more power

surely nothing wrong can come from that!!

Skane · 2012-03-31, 11:49

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Originally Posted by Key Board

maybe going into adult form too often is finally taking a toll on her body

What's she's doing each time is she's forcibly rearranging her physical structure and making it go into overclock in order to have a form that brings out more power

surely nothing wrong can come from that!!

Like mother, like daughter.

Cheers.

Key Board · 2012-03-31, 11:52

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Originally Posted by Skane

Like mother, like daughter.

Cheers.

That's probably the problem

The whole reason why Nanoha is on hiatus from job during Vivid is because events of StrikerS broke her body from going above limit.

but Vivio's body can't take that much punishment. If you take Deed and Octo's words at face value, her body isn't built for the kind of full frontal combat

Justin_Brett · 2012-03-31, 12:02

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Clone degradation would be stupid, though. Why is it only happening now? Why are Fate and the Numbers just fine?

It's not like clone degradation isn't an arbitrary thing already.

And I thought most of the Numbers were orphans like Subaru? Quattro and Uno were clones, I know that.

Kuze · 2012-03-31, 12:06

So I guess then this recent picture from Yukari Higa makes a bit more sense.

Feelz bad man.

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And I thought most of the Numbers were orphans like Subaru? Quattro and Uno were clones, I know that.

If I remember right, they were mostly tube babies. Fate, Erio, and Vivio are cloned, yes.

00-Raiser · 2012-03-31, 12:25

The Numbers are either cloned wholesale or concieved in test tubes.

Keroko · 2012-03-31, 13:10

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Originally Posted by Key Board

maybe going into adult form too often is finally taking a toll on her body

What's she's doing each time is she's forcibly rearranging her physical structure and making it go into overclock in order to have a form that brings out more power

surely nothing wrong can come from that!!

Dunno, forcibly rearranging your entire anatomy to be like a ferret's with human intelligence and magical power sounds more dangerous to me.

I mean, it could be, but why would miss I'm-not-even-letting-my-child-have-her-own-device-untill-she's-ready Nanoha let Vivio use such dangerous magic? Kind of a conflicting plotline there.

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It's not like clone degradation isn't an arbitrary thing already.

And I thought most of the Numbers were orphans like Subaru? Quattro and Uno were clones, I know that.

Nope, all of them were clones, or at least genetically engineered and born in a test-tube. Nove was based on Quint, for example.

That's the entire thing that made Jail's work so unethical. The human body has to be genetically altered before birth in order for the body to actually be able to handle the technological upgrades.

bhl88 · 2012-03-31, 13:17

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Originally Posted by Key Board

but Vivio's body can't take that much punishment. If you take Deed and Octo's words at face value, her body isn't built for the kind of full frontal combat

And Sis Shanti's (I hope I didn't spell it wrong)

Most likely reason why Vivio lost.

Plus Adult Transformation strain.

Rising Dragon · 2012-03-31, 13:18

And unlike Zest, Vivio was created during a time after the cloning process was perfected physically. And as of Force, we know she'll still be alive, so whatever the problem Vivio has is, it can't be too life-threatening or impossible to overcome.

Akiyoshi · 2012-03-31, 13:43

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

And as of Force, we know she'll still be alive, so whatever the problem Vivio has is, it can't be too life-threatening or impossible to overcome.

Yup, FORCE 20 already spoilered to us that Vivio will get out of this just fine as she even was about to join Signum and Tohma's sparring match. Seems that no consequences will last because of this.

Justin_Brett · 2012-03-31, 13:48

Well it's not like they could go into detail about what it was there, since that would spoil the whole thing ahead of time.

00-Raiser · 2012-03-31, 14:45

Anyone who thought Vivio would suffer lasting consequences because of this is a complete moron anyways.

bhl88 · 2012-03-31, 14:49

I didn't xD oh nvm I did xD

Kaijo · 2012-04-01, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Keroko

That's the entire thing that made Jail's work so unethical. The human body has to be genetically altered before birth in order for the body to actually be able to handle the technological upgrades.

Minor clarification, but an adult can have cybernetic implants, it's just that there are some issues with rejection and stuff. They made it sound like you had to take heavy medication, at least with implants that are stronger than what a normal piece of your body would be. It almost sounds like implants that are the same, or weaker, are generally not too bad.

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And as of Force, we know she'll still be alive, so whatever the problem Vivio has is, it can't be too life-threatening or impossible to overcome.

Fine, yes. But if the issue is that she is taking a lot of damage in her adult transformation form, that could be the issue. She's okay, it's just that she either can't use it anymore, or only in emergency circumstances.

The only other possible option, is that Vivio has been trying to draw up her Saint's Armor (hence why she easily blocked Miura's blows before), but ever since the Cradle, that part of her is kind of damaged and thus it harms her body to try and bring it up.

At this point, I'm leaning toward the latter, because I still feel like they plan to address that part of her eventually.

Rising Dragon · 2012-04-01, 12:21

I believe the stated case for technological replacements and such in adults is that the body can handle something that's as good as the original--stuff that's better, like what the Numbers have, is something that requires the genetic modification.

WarpObscura · 2012-04-02, 09:43

Victoria reminds me of a character from some other series, but I can't think of who. Is there anyone else who comes to mind?

Justin_Brett · 2012-04-02, 12:03

Probably a lot of them; you could throw a dart and hit one of those OHOHOHO noblewoman types.

Kaijo · 2012-04-02, 18:05

The correct term is... and forgive me for posting a link to the hated site, but... Ojou-sama.

Edit: Although that's a more inclusive term, as there are some subcategories listed.

WarpObscura · 2012-04-02, 19:10

Yeah, that's the archetype, but the design in particular seems familiar.

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Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	maybe going into adult form too often is finally taking a toll on her body What's she's doing each time is she's forcibly rearranging her physical structure and making it go into overclock in order to have a form that brings out more power surely nothing wrong can come from that!! __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Well it's not like they could go into detail about what it was there, since that would spoil the whole thing ahead of time.

2012-04-01, 12:21	Link #2016
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	I believe the stated case for technological replacements and such in adults is that the body can handle something that's as good as the original--stuff that's better, like what the Numbers have, is something that requires the genetic modification. __________________

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WarpObscura Bibliophile Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: There's this dot on the world map...	Victoria reminds me of a character from some other series, but I can't think of who. Is there anyone else who comes to mind? __________________ Yo dawg, I heard you like QB... Thanks MAEt for the av!

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Probably a lot of them; you could throw a dart and hit one of those OHOHOHO noblewoman types.

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Kaijo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, in a house dropped on an ugly, old woman.	The correct term is... and forgive me for posting a link to the hated site, but... Ojou-sama. Edit: Although that's a more inclusive term, as there are some subcategories listed.

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WarpObscura Bibliophile Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: There's this dot on the world map...	Yeah, that's the archetype, but the design in particular seems familiar. __________________ Yo dawg, I heard you like QB... Thanks MAEt for the av!