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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 18 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 16 | 14.68% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 30 | 27.52% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 29 | 26.61% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 20 | 18.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 5 | 4.59% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 2 | 1.83% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 1 | 0.92% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 3 | 2.75% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 3 | 2.75% | |
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2012-11-03, 22:07 | Link #61 | |
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The theme of this entire arc is "powerlessness" versus "freedom". Look for that everywhere cause you'll see it. |
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2012-11-03, 22:19 | Link #62 | |
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2012-11-03, 22:23 | Link #63 |
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Do people actually feel sorry for Recon? I found him so annoying, he's the type who thinks he owns a girl just because she plays a game with him. And when it's pretty obvious those feelings aren't reciprocated, he still clings onto her obsessively. Obviously since he's doing his reconassaince it'll play a role later, but that doesn't change that his entire interaction just pissed the hell out of me, and was really the only downside for me while watching this episode. I can accept the excessive fan service, and stuff, but so annoying.
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2012-11-03, 22:47 | Link #65 | |
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But right after seeing him in real life.. I think he is good for Suguha.. |
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2012-11-03, 23:01 | Link #66 | |
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That aside, I didn't think the point of the scene was really "come rescue me Kirito" but that she's one step closer to getting herself out of there. Of course right now she has nowhere to go.
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2012-11-03, 23:21 | Link #70 | |
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The main difference is that Kirito has "protagonist power". It's really only because he's the main character of the story that everything supposedly "good" happens to him and the other males around him get shafted.
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2012-11-03, 23:22 | Link #71 | |
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Edit: And actually, I double-down on my earlier interpretation of the scene -- when she figured out that Kirito was alive, she became more motivated to go find him. So I think it really isn't about "oh come save me, Kirito", but I think she has as much "agency" as you can hope for in someone who's being held captive. Of course it would be better if she weren't in this situation, but when is that not the case when anyone is held captive. Strength of character shines through despite the situation the story places them in.
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2012-11-03, 23:36 | Link #72 |
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*sigh* All these complaints about Asuna being depowered is growing truly tiresome.
Yes, how DARE she be in any sort of trouble and require aid. How dare she let her log out sequence from SAO get hijacked by an outside source and get forcefully dragged into another world into a GM locked cage with her avatar's powers and abilities sealed by GM control. How dare she be helpless to stop Mr Molestation's advances when he's armed with GM powers and physical force. How dare she have human emotions of fear and anxiety from being trapped for two months waiting for her turn as a mind control science experiment. How dare she just passively wait in her cage and do nothing to escape. Oh wait she did do something, she used her brain to exploit her enemy's carelessness and steal the door code. How dare she use thoughts of Kirito, someone she loves as a form of hope to try to keep her spirits up in a desperate situation. How dare she be the damsel in distress and not Kirito. It's not like she has things that Sugou wants besides her body. Oh wait, her father's company. *sigh* Yes all this is a sign of truly terrible writing. Writing Asuna as a human with human fears, anxieties, and drives. What WERE they thinking? If you're still reading this post, bravo to you, even if it wont change your opinion. |
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2012-11-03, 23:47 | Link #75 |
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Well, it's true that the author didn't have to put her in this situation in the first place. Given that she was placed in this situation, she's probably handling it as well as you might expect. But I think the argument is that the author should have told a different story with the characters instead of this kind of story. Part of this is because it employs old stereotypes that some people find annoying/tiresome. So you're right that people's opinions won't change, because the problem is that they don't like the plot development as a broad concept, independent of whether there's any in-story logic that explains it.
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2012-11-03, 23:54 | Link #77 | |
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I can totally respect the dislike of the distressed damsel trope. What irritates me is the blatant distortion of facts, motivations, and the story itself of complaints. In my own personal opinion, if one is going to complain about something, at least have a sound argument. I'll freely admit that the tropes displayed here are hardly the most original thing in the world, but are we so bound up in nitpicking, tropes, and personal character preferences that we can't enjoy a story we've stuck with for one and a half seasons? Obviously the answer is yes if we're having this conversation. Maybe I'm just too easy going with my anime shows but people seem to be getting way too bent out of shape over this. |
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2012-11-04, 00:02 | Link #78 |
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...by the looks of it...if and when Asuna breaks free on her own...shes probably under some admin lock restricting her abilities so perhaps that is where Kirito comes in from his new game plus data...
...but to be honest going against an admin is like fighting God isn't it? ...and this douch bag shouldnt be too stupid not to abuse his powers...i wouldn't... ...and although Sugou may be like that other f***face from Accel World but now he got command over the system...so i say Kirito and friends need help from an outside source... Spoiler for ...a stranger's opinion...:
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2012-11-04, 00:07 | Link #79 | ||
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I hate Plot Device 1 = PD1 is always bad -> PD1 is in Story B = Story B is bad! Everything else automatically becomes inconsequential. Can't agree with you more. I can probably nitpick and rip apart just about every anime show out there, but then why would I bother watching it in the first place? |
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2012-11-04, 00:07 | Link #80 | |
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Seriously though, can you blame so many folk for being so critical towards a show that had so much hype and high expectations from many people and hardly managed to follow through with it? And some people probably don't find positive aspects worthwhile to discuss. Sometimes negative criticism leads to much more interesting discussions.
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