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Miacis · 2005-12-21, 08:48

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Originally Posted by Forever

I also loved the moment matsumoto "hugged" gin. It would seem that the matsumoto was the one thing in the soul society that gin would miss.

"If only you held me longer" was what gin said. Would rangiku be able to stop gin if she tried hard enough?

I thought he said that either because the light beam would have destroyed her if she held on for a bit longer, or he wanted her to hold on to him for sentimental sake. That was the conflict I got out of it anyways.

And yeah, it was pretty lame how they cut out the three other guardians. All Jidanbou did was make everything 'flashy', like Gin mentioned.

beansprouts · 2005-12-21, 08:56

Aizen was so so badass, I'm loving his evilness more and more. It's fun to watch both Aizen and Gin being badass together, such an unlikely pair, yet they complement each other. I could quite understand the last bit that Tousen said about him being in the side of justice... nah, it's ok, I was too distracted by bishi-Aizen with his hair slicked back.

The Byakuya and Rukia's sister was an intereseting touch, Rukia and her sister are like carbon copies of each other. The last part whereby Byakuya held out his hand for Rukia to hold was rather... um... strange though.

What a great episode, I think I am going to rewatch it (more Aizen!!).

Zoe · 2005-12-21, 09:27

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Originally Posted by ccardoso

What happened with Ichigo's sword is different IMHO: Ichigo thought to have stabbed Aizen but Aizen's hypnotism made Ichigo think Aizen was a little forward to his real position and so Ichigo stopped his sword himself before reaching the "true" Aizen and at that point Aizen had an easy time to show off his theoretical godly status.

I don't think so. Given his momentum, there's no way Ichigo could just stop his sword himself.

I have no problem believing that Aizen was capable of stopping Ichigo like that. He already barehandedly broke Renji's sword.

Ichimaru · 2005-12-21, 09:29

Wtf was Gin doin takin his time on those ryoka, i think he was very lenient on them when he release his reiatsu not makin them collapse. Oh yeh love his sword technique and him always questioning aizen and givin ppl smirks

JBur · 2005-12-21, 10:10

yeah hes an nice evil counter-character

(whoah! counterperson thingy; i dont know if this is how you describe a person with the role as badguy)

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Ichimaru · 2005-12-21, 10:55

What i wanna ask is, since everyone has been fooled by aizen since day 1 he showed off his bankai, only person not affected by it is tousen, whattabout ichimaru?

Nico · 2005-12-21, 11:02

what is this missing 3 guardians thing everyone is talking about?

karthak · 2005-12-21, 11:04

I think the reason Aizen could smash Ichigo that easily is that he has basically reached his limit. He blocked Komamura`s sword with his bare hand!! He can`t become stronger as a shinigami so he wants to become a hollow.

1.0.7. · 2005-12-21, 11:07

when gin said "if only you held me longer", he meant..if rangiku had held him longer

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**monir** · 2005-12-21, 11:22

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Originally Posted by Nico

what is this missing 3 guardians thing everyone is talking about?

Yeah, I don't know either what is this missing 3 guardians thing some people are whining about? The episode was very good without these "guardians." Now as an anime-only watcher I would understand their whining for not showing if those guardians have three boobs on each, but I suspect that isn't the case either.

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Originally Posted by wnkryo

You mean Cilffhanger... A hangover is what you get after a few drinks

No no, I meant hangover.

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Thank god, I can't stand hangovers.

Me neither!

Echostarter · 2005-12-21, 12:14

Hey, this episode was awesome... Aizen, as much of a prick that he is, has become way cool... .... .... ... .. .. ... DAMN, he's cool... ... hate that guy...

And total major convulsions when

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Trax · 2005-12-21, 12:43

Definately some interesting things happened in this episode...

Komamura gets beaten easily, unfortunately. Aizen simply has too much of an advantage while someone is hypnotized. The little flashbacks don't reveal too much, except that it's obvious that Tousen got influenced by Aizen long ago. Even when directly asked later on, Tousen's still doesn't explain anything really.

Aizen explains why he wanted to get her executed by Soukyoku, but manages to retrieve what he was looking for from Rukia by another method. Not sure why he'd want to get rid of her afterwards, since she isn't much of a threat.

The three baddies escape due to Menos interference, and we see an unexpected reaction from Gin towards Rangiku. I wonder if he would have wanted to bring her along, if at all possible, hence the comment he made.

And last but not least, we find out the exact reasons for Byakuya's actions, and Rukia is actually his sister-in-law. When you think about it, doesn't that mean she was already related to him and the objections he got when taking her in were moot? Although I suppose he couldn't do it like that since he promised not to reveal she was Hisana's sister. However, he did break that part of the promise in the end. But she deserved to know ofcourse.

Hisana's death (by illness I believe?) made me wonder, what exactly is Soul Society? People die and go to SS, but once there they can die again? I could understand if it were by violent means (like due to hollows) but I don't really understand why many live there under miserable conditions, can get ill, etc.

Crimsonmon · 2005-12-21, 12:57

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Originally Posted by Nico

what is this missing 3 guardians thing everyone is talking about?

I'll put it in spoilers just in case.

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NaNash| · 2005-12-21, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Trax

Definately some interesting things happened in this episode...

The three baddies escape due to Menos interference, and we see an unexpected reaction from Gin towards Rangiku. I wonder if he would have wanted to bring her along, if at all possible, hence the comment he made.

I'm sure Gin wants to take Rangiku along. They looks like a poor couple tore apart .

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Originally Posted by Trax

And last but not least, we find out the exact reasons for Byakuya's actions, and Rukia is actually his sister-in-law. When you think about it, doesn't that mean she was already related to him and the objections he got when taking her in were moot? Although I suppose he couldn't do it like that since he promised not to reveal she was Hisana's sister. However, he did break that part of the promise in the end. But she deserved to know ofcourse.

Rukia was the "unoffical" sister-in-law. Remember that Hisana abandon Rukia. So it means that the relationship cannot go above the table.(Even though Rukia knew about it long time ago) Therefore, the opposition voices from the Kuchiki family sounds rather reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Trax

Hisana's death (by illness I believe?) made me wonder, what exactly is Soul Society? People die and go to SS, but once there they can die again? I could understand if it were by violent means (like due to hollows) but I don't really understand why many live there under miserable conditions, can get ill, etc.

Yeah, that is one part I dun understand. People die, they go SS. Souls in SS dies, where they go?

And can souls reproduce?

I remember Rangiku asked Gin "what do you want to do about the baby" or something like that. If souls can reproduce, then even if the Quincys finish all the hollow, there will still be enough souls to replace those died on the world. Wouldn't that make the elimination of Qunicys redundant?

Uruz7 · 2005-12-21, 14:20

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Originally Posted by stonedzombie

hmm......i don't think so.......cause Aizen was waiting to get that thing out of Rukia before trying to fuse with a hollow so that he would keep his sanity.

He wants the Hougyoku for his hollow-shinigami creations. He talked about how he couldn't make good or "perfect" hybrids. I thought that was clear. So far in the anime, there's been nothing said about exactly what Aizen is....only about what he wants to do (at least just one aspect of it). As for speculation about what he is, well...I read manga so I won't say anything

Vicke · 2005-12-21, 14:34

Wow alot of stuff happend in this episode, it gave alot of answers but also raised alot of questions. Aizen's divine rise to hollow heaven with the holy grail in his hand was fantastic

This ep made me wonder if there is organized structures in Hollow world and not just chaos like I assumed it was.
Also is SS arc finished with this episode?

Shay · 2005-12-21, 14:39

Am I the only one who wants to see someone actually die? I mean c’mon…This everyone just miraculously surviving thing is getting kinda stale.

Good ep though.

Vicke · 2005-12-21, 14:53

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Originally Posted by Shay

Am I the only one who wants to see someone actually die? I mean c’mon…This everyone just miraculously surviving thing is getting kinda stale.

Good ep though.

No your not the only one. Else it seem like anyone could take any kind of fatal attack and still live, no matter how powerful it was. The only ones we seen die is probably Mayuri's human test dolls

stonedzombie · 2005-12-21, 15:21

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Originally Posted by Uruz7

He wants the Hougyoku for his hollow-shinigami creations. He talked about how he couldn't make good or "perfect" hybrids. I thought that was clear. So far in the anime, there's been nothing said about exactly what Aizen is....only about what he wants to do (at least just one aspect of it). As for speculation about what he is, well...I read manga so I won't say anything

wait a sec.....so Aizen is NOT planning on using the Hougyoku on himself? (and maybe gin and tousen).....i thought that was the whole point! So that "you can have limitless power and ability"

kboykb · 2005-12-21, 15:52

Another sweet ep - bleach is perfect for me.. Something that people seem to be missing is Ukitake and Aizen.. It seems like they have some sort of past together.

Gin is cool now - I loved that expression when he said sorry.. he actually looked.. sad? Kinda like "I'm sorry baby, this is just something I gotta do.. I'll be back soon".

Good stuff all around though, sucks about the 3 week thing.

2005-12-21, 10:10	Link #45
JBur Rock My World With Anime Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 38	yeah hes an nice evil counter-character (whoah! counterperson thingy; i dont know if this is how you describe a person with the role as badguy) Spoiler: anyway, i find his romantic moment very suspicious

2005-12-21, 11:07	Link #49
1.0.7. real folk blues.. Join Date: Dec 2005	when gin said "if only you held me longer", he meant..if rangiku had held him longer Spoiler: his other "shinsou" will go "ikorose"

2005-12-21, 12:14	Link #51
Echostarter Fate's Gambler Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: US	Hey, this episode was awesome... Aizen, as much of a prick that he is, has become way cool... .... .... ... .. .. ... DAMN, he's cool... ... hate that guy... And total major convulsions when Spoiler: ALL THE CAPTAINS AND VCs CAME TO ARREST HIM!!!!! WOW SO COOL! __________________ Grab life by the balls... and it will surely grab back

2005-12-21, 14:39	Link #57
Shay Monarch Programmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Liverpool Age: 42	Am I the only one who wants to see someone actually die? I mean c’mon…This everyone just miraculously surviving thing is getting kinda stale. Good ep though. __________________ Current Anime - Attack on Titan Current Manga - Naruto Current Book - Waiting for War of the Roses Current Album - Vessel by Twenty One Pilots

2005-12-21, 08:56	Link #42
beansprouts 五月天 Join Date: Dec 2005	Aizen was so so badass, I'm loving his evilness more and more. It's fun to watch both Aizen and Gin being badass together, such an unlikely pair, yet they complement each other. I could quite understand the last bit that Tousen said about him being in the side of justice... nah, it's ok, I was too distracted by bishi-Aizen with his hair slicked back. The Byakuya and Rukia's sister was an intereseting touch, Rukia and her sister are like carbon copies of each other. The last part whereby Byakuya held out his hand for Rukia to hold was rather... um... strange though. What a great episode, I think I am going to rewatch it (more Aizen!!).

2005-12-21, 09:29	Link #44
Ichimaru Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Wtf was Gin doin takin his time on those ryoka, i think he was very lenient on them when he release his reiatsu not makin them collapse. Oh yeh love his sword technique and him always questioning aizen and givin ppl smirks

2005-12-21, 10:55	Link #46
Ichimaru Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	What i wanna ask is, since everyone has been fooled by aizen since day 1 he showed off his bankai, only person not affected by it is tousen, whattabout ichimaru?

2005-12-21, 11:02	Link #47
Nico Member Join Date: May 2004	what is this missing 3 guardians thing everyone is talking about?

2005-12-21, 11:04	Link #48
karthak Baruk Khazad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: finland	I think the reason Aizen could smash Ichigo that easily is that he has basically reached his limit. He blocked Komamura`s sword with his bare hand!! He can`t become stronger as a shinigami so he wants to become a hollow.

2005-12-21, 12:43	Link #52
Trax Rock beats scissors Join Date: Jul 2004	Definately some interesting things happened in this episode... Komamura gets beaten easily, unfortunately. Aizen simply has too much of an advantage while someone is hypnotized. The little flashbacks don't reveal too much, except that it's obvious that Tousen got influenced by Aizen long ago. Even when directly asked later on, Tousen's still doesn't explain anything really. Aizen explains why he wanted to get her executed by Soukyoku, but manages to retrieve what he was looking for from Rukia by another method. Not sure why he'd want to get rid of her afterwards, since she isn't much of a threat. The three baddies escape due to Menos interference, and we see an unexpected reaction from Gin towards Rangiku. I wonder if he would have wanted to bring her along, if at all possible, hence the comment he made. And last but not least, we find out the exact reasons for Byakuya's actions, and Rukia is actually his sister-in-law. When you think about it, doesn't that mean she was already related to him and the objections he got when taking her in were moot? Although I suppose he couldn't do it like that since he promised not to reveal she was Hisana's sister. However, he did break that part of the promise in the end. But she deserved to know ofcourse. Hisana's death (by illness I believe?) made me wonder, what exactly is Soul Society? People die and go to SS, but once there they can die again? I could understand if it were by violent means (like due to hollows) but I don't really understand why many live there under miserable conditions, can get ill, etc.

2005-12-21, 14:34	Link #56
Vicke Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Svea Age: 40	Wow alot of stuff happend in this episode, it gave alot of answers but also raised alot of questions. Aizen's divine rise to hollow heaven with the holy grail in his hand was fantastic This ep made me wonder if there is organized structures in Hollow world and not just chaos like I assumed it was. Also is SS arc finished with this episode?

2005-12-21, 15:52	Link #60
kboykb Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	Another sweet ep - bleach is perfect for me.. Something that people seem to be missing is Ukitake and Aizen.. It seems like they have some sort of past together. Gin is cool now - I loved that expression when he said sorry.. he actually looked.. sad? Kinda like "I'm sorry baby, this is just something I gotta do.. I'll be back soon". Good stuff all around though, sucks about the 3 week thing.