The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 5 Discussion / Poll [2006 TV ep. 13]

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by Biswa

Definitely need to give a lot of support to the subbers for especially a dialogue heavy anime. So far the subbing has been beautiful and well articulated, so it really matched the tone of the voice. Only a couple more episodes for them to go, but it's been crazy. Looking very forward to this episode, but can wait indefinitely.
So how many episodes exactly to go? (i.e. how long is this show)

Next episode, 14 = last episode lol

[SweetHoney]

I must say my probaly fav part of this episode must have been this part



Where Haruhi was on that swing going back and fourth I so loved that scene though it was sad poor Haruhi

[Lost]

Originally Posted by SweetHoney

ZOMG Wallpaper!!!

Caught the RAW. Feels like a pretty mellow episode; Haruhi has been showing alot of her serious self lately and I like that. The bgm for this episode was spot-on, very much liked the one that played during Haruhi's monologue and the one at the appearance of Protoplasm Man. And this has to be the best Traffic Animation I've seen in an Anime; I think I spotted my dream car

Spoiler for Is that an Integra Type-R or what?:

[nadare]

Originally Posted by Lost

ZOMG Wallpaper!!!

Caught the RAW. Feels like a pretty mellow episode; Haruhi has been showing alot of her serious self lately and I like that. The bgm for this episode was spot-on, very much liked the one that played during Haruhi's monologue and the one at the appearance of Protoplasm Man. And this has to be the best Traffic Animation I've seen in an Anime; I think I spotted my dream car

Spoiler for Is that an Integra Type-R or what?:

have you noticed that there was no one driving that car?

[Lost]

Really? The interior is pretty dark..

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by nadare

have you noticed that there was no one driving that car?

OMG Man there's noone driving that car! Must be in Florida.

[Zangetsu]

so am guessing "ep 13" has already aired ¬_¬, and i cant find the torrent anywere T_T i need help

[Zangetsu]

ic, tanx ^_^''

[Vexx]

If ya'll will wait a few more hours.... the Yuki-like fansubbers of this series will have it out barring floods and ... well, floods seem to be good enough here in the U.S. (nope, no problem with weather here -*cough* bs *cough*)
Except for the parts in multiple heat wave/drought status ... like where I'm at.

[Gene Yuss]

SUB IS OUT!!!
http://a.scarywater.net/afk/

[Vexx]

I stand corrected.... "a few more MINUTES" is what I should have said....

[npal]

Well, banning BC clients somehow sped up my download What do you know... Some minutes to go

[M.D. Geist]

imho, this ep has lower rewatch value than other haruhi eps ...

not that much happens in this episode, lotsa talk, lotsa infos

once u understand the infos, its enough ^^

[LCeh]

How should I rate this episode? On one hand, the episode itself was very dialogue-heavy and doesn't have the great scenes that usual Haruhi episodes do, but at the same time, this part was probably very hard to animate since it was so dialogue-heavy. So I would have to say KyoAni did a very good job with what they had to do and what they did.

The explanations are nice, and now we get a lot more info on the character and Koizumi's organization. Also, from the previews, I also see why in the baseball episode Mikuru said "If you become nice to me, that will happen again" now.

Hopefully they can end with a bang, and then make a season 2.

EDIT: Decided to give it an 8. "Very good" seems to be the right description of the episode to me.

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by LCeh

How should I rate this episode? On one hand, the episode itself was very dialogue-heavy and doesn't have the great scenes that usual Haruhi episodes do, but at the same time, this part was probably very hard to animate since it was so dialogue-heavy. So I would have to say KyoAni did a very good job with what they had to do and what they did.

The explanations are nice, and now we get a lot more info on the character and Koizumi's organization. Also, from the previews, I also see why in the baseball episode Mikuru said "If you become nice to me, that will happen again" now.

Hopefully they can end with a bang, and then make a season 2.

EDIT: Decided to give it an 8. "Very good" seems to be the right description of the episode to me.

Yes the show will end with a bang and you haven't yet seen what Mikuru said that really happened lol

Well in the novel, this chapter was really nice to read, but its not the best chapter to animate, besides the battle, which was really too short.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by C.A.

Yes the show will end with a bang and you haven't yet seen what Mikuru said that really happened lol

Well in the novel, this chapter was really nice to read, but its not the best chapter to animate, besides the battle, which was really too short.

I wasn't terribly wowed by that chapter, actually its one of my least favorites.

Spoiler:

There is no real bang in that one other than the smashy smashy of the giants, and some romantic action with Kyon putting the moves on Haruhi and her being too shocked to move because of it. Then suddenly pop, they are back in the real world with no idea as to whether it actually really happened or if it was a dream other than cryptic dialogue from Ituski and Yuki suggesting it happened but not telling them why, how or what happened. It almost reminds me of that weird Acperience episode of Eureka 7 where Renton and Eureka are trapped in the Correlian and have no way of getting out, Eureka is all depressed and Renton convinces her to come back with him, they embrace (Sort of) and then they are back in the real world having no real idea WTF happened and why or how they got out. I almost think that what closed space is, is a representation of how Haruhi sees the world when she is depressed a cold dark place that she hates because she doesn't fit in, Hence the destruction of the giants is her rage being taken out on the world in her own mind where nobody will get hurt and that Kyon somehow dived into the recesses of her mind that night kind of like in Psychonauts or in that one stage of La Pucelle and had to pull her out of her depression for both of them to escape. I still think Haruhi wants to retreat and withdraw into her own mind where she can be in a world she wants to be in and that she pulled Kyon in that night to stay with her but he ended up rescuing her from her own nightmare instead by letting her know that he and the others care about her and want her to be happy and not to hate the world, and that they won't judge or reject her.

As per the suggestion that Haruhi was creating her own world, I'm not of the I'll believe when I see it happen camp but of the I'll believe it when I see it and know it to be true camp, I still feel closed space is most likely somewhere deep in the recesses of her mind, the sad lonely and angry part that was her dominant personality in the first half of episode 2 and that Kyon is slowly helping to get rid of. The gifting of Itsuki with his esper powers might of been Haruhi's cry for help to get rid of the closed space within her mind and help her break free of her depression and anger.

[vuori]

Itsuki and Kyon sitting in the car on the freeway was rather reminiscent of Tarkovski's film Solaris, where there is a very similar scene long scene with two men riding in a car (though I don't think they ever talked during the ride in the film). I haven't seen the film in a while, but the angles and views outside (particularly the multi-level bridges and intersections) seemed very familiar.

Other scenes in the series (ie. Yuki sitting alone in the clubroom in episode 9) also seem like the producers might be familiar with Tarkovski's films.

[Major Kerina]

Oooo...good point there on Solaris. I really loved this episode. It's clear throughout they know what they're doing in telling story. It's so very well rendered. And btw, I came to Haruhi for the philosophical implications of it all. Not the action set-pieces. So I just ate this all up. I may need to watch it many times to pick apart all the stuff.

[outcast_within]

Originally Posted by Major Kerina

Kinda calm before the storm. Still very good. Now if only I could understand Japanese.

calm before storm?

wonders about next episode

[panzerfan]

My response to Kaioshin_Sama would be...

Spoiler:

There's other beings that can generate enclosed space and their respective spaces are 'unique'. Be it snow Mountain or Yuki's barren wasteland. Haruhi is one of such beings that can... (call it reality marble perhaps?) give form to pure 'information' or thought. I am not about to make any guess as to how one gets out of Haruhi's enclosed space just from the enclosed space examples seen thus far.

Haruhi creating her own world is the exact words Itsuki used to describe the nature of that enclosed space when he talks to Kyon during the snow white (and that previous enclosures are just mere exercises). The words used by Nagato is the end of the information eruption and Asahina ... ceased her existence. Kyon's interpretation is more akin to how you see the enclosed space, especially by snow white event.

Koizumi's explainatin is rather popular since he attempts to rationalize his arguments. Asahina refuse to offer that kind of analysis while Nagato's are too abstract to strike a chord effectively. As such, Haruhi as a deity becomes the clearest of all notions in an attempt to reason with it all. I suppose that's part of the reason why Haruhi == God has been shouted all over.

The what is easier to answer.... the why and how are not. Novel makes it clear through kyon's interactions with the sos members that snow white occured and was resolved. You very well can say that snow white's the doing of Haruhi's inner demons just as one can say that it's Kyon showing Haruhi the "blue bird of happiness". Was it from shock and inability to make a decision due to insufficient information that terminated the enclosed space? I am not prepared to make sense of that and slam a conclusion.