2006-12-05, 18:14 | Link #62 | |
Pwning the Bijuu Killer
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Who said the jutsu was lost forever? Yondaime's disciple Kakashi has seen it, and know how it works as Yondaime taught him everything about it. Remember that Kakashi knew rasengan and it took him 300 chapters to finally show it when he had it all the whole time. Same thing with Jiraiya, he was Yondaime sensei and Yondaime taugh Jiraiya rasengan but that doesn't seem to be Jiraiya's style. I think the one that knows Hiraishin is kakashi. |
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2006-12-05, 18:30 | Link #63 |
Akatsuki Bart is Tobi
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Well I see what you're saying, but I like to operate with the principle that people act according to their best interests. That is if its to your advantage to use a technique you use it. There have been a million situations where it there were 100 points in favor of kakashi using the hiraishin and zero points against, yet he didn't use it. A good example would be when he was rushing to save naruto and sasuke from killing each other but got there late and sasuke escapted. If he knew that jutsu, then he would have used it. Or in the zabuza fight it would have been useful. The point is, if your life is in danger or someone elses life is in danger you typically do everything you can regardless of the risk (ie kakashi using the MS despite the chakra drain and so on). Against deidara it'd have been handy. Why use the MS if he has hiraishin in his back pocket? Against itachi early on, why swim to rescue kurenai? Just use hiraishin. Why rush to get to sand village? Just use hiraishin. And so on.
I think since so far kakashi very well most likely doesn't know it. Now for his revelation of rasengan its different as rasengan isn't probably all that much more useful than any of his other techniques. Its understandable if he chooses not to use it. Its not understandable if kakashi chooses not to use hiraishin. Its only logical to conclude that he doesn't know it. In addition, for this reason I kinda doubt if kakashi can use shika's shadow bind. People say he can but I'm dubious. The reason is, quite simple, shadow bind is the most useful technique shown in the series. I'd out hiraishin even 2nd to it. Kakashi has had time and time again where it was to his advantage to use it if he knew it and yet he didnt. |
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[quote] Against itachi early on, why swim to rescue kurenai? Just use hiraishin. Why rush to get to sand village? Just use hiraishin. And so on. Dude, i seem you completely forgot that you need a tag for Hiraishin to work. Quote:
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Sorry, but Shika jutsu is not a bloodline, so Kakashi can copied it. Its not that kakashi doesn't know those jutsus is that he simply doesn't used them. |
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2006-12-05, 19:31 | Link #69 | |
Pwning the Bijuu Killer
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You took it out of context, i know how HIraishin works. Its a tag that can be placed on anyone and one anything solid. My point was refering to Sasuke and Naruto when he couldn't cat up to them since Kakashi didn't place a tag on them. With Deidara, i didn't see him throwing a kunai because he migth not have the time for that, or simply miss it, since Deidara is moving a great speed. |
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2006-12-05, 19:34 | Link #70 |
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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if one s speed is greater then other persons jutsu speed then t will be over before u can use hiraishin...
people still think hiraishin as an instant teleportation. it is not you need to ,at least, pull a kunai wrapped with a seal and throw it. mean while you can be dead for 6-7 times? |
2006-12-05, 20:45 | Link #71 |
Akatsuki Bart is Tobi
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I'm well aware of the mechanics of the jutsu. Saying he didn't follow the mechanic hindered him doesn't really address my point (which is that he doesn't even know the mechanics of the jutsu to where he can do it). If you honestly believe kakashi knows the jutsu answer these questions:
Against zabuza why didn't he use the tag as soon as the battle started? Against itachi why didn't he use the tag? Against itachi the 2nd time? Against deidara? When chasing sasuke and naruto, why not throw the tag several hundred feet forwards in advance and teleport to it (repeat till he catches up)? Why don't people talk about kakashi's likeness the fourth? Why does kakashi not use it more often? My point is he doesn't know it. The fourth in all of those situations would use the jutsu. In fact he used the jutsu to the point that he got a nickname from it. You don't get nicknames based on jutsus from jutsus you use sparingly. The fourth isn't nicknamed "death god summoner". That'd be stupid. What is kakashi's nickname? The copy ninja. Why? almost every time he fights he pulls out that copy eye and uses it. Anyway, Kakashi doesn't know the jutsu. In fact most likely, no one does (unless the fourth actually did write in down in a scroll. then it becomes a question of why they'd keep it away from konoha's best ninja. I think kakashi certainly would be worthy of it. Same as Gai.) |
2006-12-05, 21:16 | Link #72 | |
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Kakashi is known as Copy Ninja Kakashi, because he can copies jutsus like the Uchiha can. Guess what he copied Rasengan, and you know what, he migth have also copied hiraishin, after all he has seen it and know how it works. Quote:
Gai wouldn't need Hiraishin. You forget that Kakashi has seen this jutsu, he knows how hitworks, he was Yodnaime's disciple, and copied rasengan. I say the chances of Kakashi of having either copied or learned Hiraishin is very high. Quote:
reread what i said. Its a tag that can be placed on anyone and one anything solid. By anyone i mean humans/animals etc. By anything i mean kunais, ground, paper, etc |
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2006-12-06, 06:10 | Link #79 | |
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At this point the speed difference was too high. Lee's first kick connected before Sasuke could do anything about it even if he knew it was coming because it was simply too fast. In this case it would be impossible to use a tag to teleport simply because Lee's actions happened way too fast for Sasuke to react in the slightest. But anyway given your next posts I wonder if we are really adressing the same thing : the conclusion of my first post was that Hiraishin is always better than simple speed for it does. What I adressed then is that if the user isn't fast and skilled as well the jutsu loses much of its potential and that even in the best conditions there are ways to deal with it. |
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2006-12-06, 11:10 | Link #80 | |
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I swear Ill change my name to Hunter someday and Impersonate him just so you guys can accept logic. |
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