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2009-12-27, 17:44 | Link #684 |
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Good thread. I wonder about isshin, myself. I haven't made it though the entire thread, but my theory so far is(i'm half-sleep right now, so let me know if this gets to crack-ish)
Is it possible that Isshin is apart of the RG and a member of the Shiba family? I think I read somewhere that the RG are all captain class shinigami. if that is so, the RG may have done some of their recruiting from the ranks of SS at one point in time( a long, long time ago). and since the noble families usually have a high SP, it'd be high probability they have a ancestor, so to speak, from those families as memebers of the royal guard. That could explain why Isshin is as powerful as he is, yet no one from SS can draw a line from Ichigo to a past shinigami. As for the shiba thing, I don't have a strong belief in it. I just think it would explain 1) What happened to the Shiba clan to make them fall from grace. Maybe Isshin's abandoning his post at the RG caused the family of lot of shame and started their descent. and 2) I can't believe similarities between Kaien and Ichigo were made just to be ignored. that's all for now. maybe i'll have a more refined theory after reading some others. |
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2009-12-29, 14:30 | Link #686 | |
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And it would also give a good explanation, why Ichigo has such a ridiculous potential in terms of reiatsu. |
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2009-12-29, 18:37 | Link #687 | |
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1.Look at their eyes : two totally different shapes. Also Ganryuu (thats his name rite?) has long eyelashes and thicker eyebrows 2.Their faces are differently shaped 3. Their skin complexion is totally different!!! Its not fair to say Isshin is part of the Shiba clan just cuz he sorta resembles Ganryuu at a glance However its totally possible .. I'm just sayin... But to be fair since u came up with a suggestion I have to come up with one ... Ummmmmmm.. gosh I feel silly now I cant think up one ..... Sigh I know I refused to go back there but it seems we must have to !! *Inner self: Leila NOOO* ..... perhaps we missed sumtin *Inner self: say it aint soo!!* Wat if .... Isshin was an RG?? *Inner self: You Traitor!!!* Ouch.... well neways boy and girls wat hav we missed......
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2009-12-29, 18:46 | Link #688 | |
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the eyes are the only real difference between the two. the other prominent facial characteristics look pretty much the same to me (keep in mind isshin's pic is straight on while ganju is looking to the side somewhat). different standards of personal grooming don't really apply.
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2009-12-29, 19:21 | Link #689 |
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my thoughts on the "Isshin is a Shiba clansman" theory:
Isshin lost his powers 20 years ago ->Urahara was involved ->Kuukaku said she worked together with Urahara/Yoruichi in the past Kuukaku treats her male family members just as brutally as Isshin does perhaps Kubo's inspiration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiba_clan ... doesn't sound too far fetched, on the plus side we could see Ganju making a comeback with a priceless face when he learns he is Ichigo's cousin or something but truth is I would actually prefer a more surprising and more original twist(with heavy Quincy involvement, too bad Ryuuken is too young to have fought during the genocide)
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2009-12-29, 21:02 | Link #690 |
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well we already had a named quincy that was involved in the genocide (i think anyway). uruyu's grandpa or whatever. ryuuken and isshin were certainly around during that staged attack/capture/torture. you might even be able to argue that it was that event (or directly related events) that led to isshin going into hiding.
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2009-12-30, 01:54 | Link #691 | |
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I don't think Isshin lost his powers. I think his gigai was suppose to sap his powers like it was suppose to do with Rukia, but it didn't happen. Hence, Urahara being 'relieved" that Isshin wouldn't have a reason to be upset with him. I'm still not done with the thread, but anyone think Masaki may be more a factor in this? i don't think she was a totally normal human or blind to what Isshin was. Remember that good luck charm Isshin gave to Ichigo before he left for SS, that eventually ended up saving Kon from Grandfisher's attack? He said that was a gift Masaki. Maybe some of these people/events he knows of through Masaki? or maybe she is like Orihime? |
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him knowing urahara isn't really a big deal especially since isshin is apparently in hiding (or maybe also banished). ryuuken is a powerful, well trained quincy. he didn't always shun it. first hand knowledge of aizen, urahara, and the vizards could easily be explained if he was the unnamed kenpachi captain from 100 years ago. also, we don't really know if anyone from SS knows him as the only person from SS that we have seen actually meet him is rukia. however, i guess isshin couldn't have been involved much (or at all) with the incident with uruyu's grampa since it happaned when uruyu was around (about 8-ish?) so, since ichigo is about the same age, isshin would have had to been already living as a human.
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ichigo and ganju sure act like they're brothers or something, what with all the fights they get into, it would be a funny scene to see their reactions.
Isshin explaining to Ichigo and Ganju "So you see, the two of you are brothers" Ichigo and Ganju look at each other "What, him? No way!" Then the two of them start fighting with each other and Kukaku beats the crap out of them
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Isshin lost his powers 20 years ago while the capture must have happened about 10 years ago(Ishida is now ~15 iirc but trained with his grandfather at young age), so yeah they were around but it's probably not the reason why he is not with ss anymore.
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2009-12-30, 21:04 | Link #695 | |
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well they took the time to think up that ability where they wrap their body in spirit threads to keep moving. it could probably be used to keep the body going longer than normal. though 200 years would be pushing it i guess. XD
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it's been said over and over that the captain kenpachi fought is dead. So that's out the window.lol The reason I feel no one in SS know of Isshin b/c you'd think if they did, someone would have connected the dots with Ichigo by now. instead everyone's bewildered how a ryoka could be so powerful. |
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even rukia knew of urahara (though perhaps not as an ex-captain at first). ikkaku knew of him too (during his fight with ichigo he knew the name). urahara was only banished. he wasn't a hunted criminal. it was even implied that aizen knew exactly where urahara was living since he knew where urahara's senkai gate would open. Quote:
and for that matter, zaraki is a district. the man we call zaraki kenpachi has no actual name (and is more properly/originally "the kenpachi of zaraki"). Quote:
with that thinking, they would be far more likely to conclude that urahara is ichigo's father (and yoruichi his mother?) since soul society knows that he is alive.
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[QUOTE=kamyu;2848973]well he was able to pop out of his body easily enough now so he could've done much the same 20 years ago. that puts a minimum on his timeline, but not necessarily a maximum. [quote]
Doubt he'd need it when he was still in service. 1) aren't those type of gigai illegal? and 2)what purpose would it serve being a shinigami with a riatsu blocking body? Plus, Urahara said he's turned his back on it, so i don't think he was pulling a Batman at night. Quote:
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I guess i should point out I was looking at this from the view of what if Isshin was RG. it may better explain my wondering. Last edited by Submerged; 2010-01-02 at 00:19. |
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since she didn't know one, it isn't unbelievable that she doesn't know the other. Quote:
zaraki is the one who is reported to have killed his predecessor. the unnamed captain from 100 years ago was only reported to have defeated his predecessor. death wasn't mentioned, only a loss. Quote:
ishhin, who they may or may not believe is dead, who they might not even know is missing (depending if the royal guard/family are as separate and secretive as they appear) or urahara, who they know is still lurking around in karakura
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