Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread

[Aquaman OS]

And even still these aces seemingly aren't worth the time and money to animate and voice them just to essentially cameo in another character's story. There's a reason a large number of Gundam pilots never see the light of day in animation. And this hardly something only Seed is guilty of.

[The American Average]

Originally Posted by monster

Even aces can die, and doing nothing onscreen is not the same as doing nothing ever.

I was being a douche. I was making fun of Heine he was supposed be equivalent in skill to Athrun but dies by not looking behind him.

Of course Ace pilots can die. many shows have ace pilots that die usually die saving the rookies though =/. doing nothing onscreen is the same as something off screen they didn't help the show any . Yzak anybody lol

[Skye629]

Originally Posted by The American Average

I was being a douche. I was making fun of Heine he was supposed be equivalent in skill to Athrun but dies by not looking behind him.

Of course Ace pilots can die. many shows have ace pilots that die usually die saving the rookies though =/. doing nothing onscreen is the same as something off screen they didn't help the show any . Yzak anybody lol

Or cocky aces who think they are the best then charges in (thinking of a particular Overflag pilot from 00 here who decided to break formation, and yes hes an ace, proof was the information given and his assignment to that particular unit)

[monster]

Originally Posted by The American Average

Heine he was supposed be equivalent in skill to Athrun but dies by not looking behind him.

He did look, but I assume that the Gaia was just too close and too fast for him to do anything by the time the sensor warned him of its approach.

I'd give him a pass seeing as how the Freedom, the most dominant mobile suit he probably ever encountered, was just hovering a few meters from him.

[The American Average]

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Heine hears the warning bell, slowly looks behind him.... you'd think if you hear that warning bell you would move or something. However i Do not know what the warning bell means in destiny, it could just be bell that tells the pilot every little detail on the Suit like low ammo, engine temp, or stuff like that. He really didn't seem to care when he heard it

[monster]

Originally Posted by The American Average

Heine hears the warning bell, slowly looks behind him.... you'd think if you hear that warning bell you would move or something.

Well, that's just it, he barely had time to turn his head to look when the Gaia sliced his mobile suit.

It wouldn't be wise for him to move suddenly without first looking. Unfortunately, he just didn't have the time.

[The American Average]

I really think Heine was skill enough to like do a round house kick and stop the gaia in its tracks it not like the Gouf was a crappy MS. However i do know of who voiced him and his character needed to leave pretty quickly.

[Aquaman OS]

He was also just stupid for still trying to attack the Freedom when all of his weapons were in the arm that was cut off. He should have pulled back.

[monster]

Originally Posted by The American Average

I really think Heine was skill enough to like do a round house kick and stop the gaia in its tracks it not like the Gouf was a crappy MS.

It's not about the capability of the Gouf. It's about him not even having the time to react.

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

He was also just stupid for still trying to attack the Freedom when all of his weapons were in the arm that was cut off.

He wasn't trying to attack.

He should have pulled back.

It wouldn't do him any good with a fast mobile suit like the Freedom still nearby, might as well watch what the Freedom does first.

[S.Freedom]

You guys are forgetting that there is a meta reason for Heine's death. He was voiced by T.M Revolution, the same guy who sung Meteor, Ignited, Invoke and Vestige.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like why he died or that he died at all. But Heine isn't a good example to use when discussing ace's who die.

@monster If Heine wasn't attacking the Freedom, then what exactly was he doing moving in the Freedom's direction?

And why would it not do him any good to withdraw? He was disarmed so wasn't a threat to any other MS in the area. So Kira would have any reason to prevent Heine from returning to the Minerva. Hell, that's the whole reason Kira disarms his opponents in the first place.

[The American Average]

Originally Posted by monster

It's not about the capability of the Gouf. It's about him not even having the time to react.

Then what was the point of the Gouf? wasn't supposed to be a Fast close quarter combat suit. he had several seconds to dodge i would think that would be plenty of time but in this situation who would have a clear head.

With Heine retreating why would he? everybody doesn't know what the heck is going on with the freedom shooting everybody my bet is Heine was just trying to figure whats going on which while thinking this he got chopped in half

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

You guys are forgetting that there is a meta reason for Heine's death. He was voiced by T.M Revolution, the same guy who sung Meteor, Ignited, Invoke and Vestige. Don't get me wrong, I don't like why he died or that he died at all. But Heine isn't a good example to use when discussing ace's who die.

well all know that Heine was voiced by TM Revolution however there really isn't any other Ace pilots that died in Combat besides him to my memory. several pilot characters died but not at Heine's level of Skill.

[monster]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

If Heine wasn't attacking the Freedom, then what exactly was he doing moving in the Freedom's direction?

It looks to me that he was just moving downward. It's just that, from Stella's perspective, it may look like he's moving toward the Freedom.

And why would it not do him any good to withdraw? He was disarmed so wasn't a threat to any other MS in the area. So Kira would have any reason to prevent Heine from returning to the Minerva. Hell, that's the whole reason Kira disarms his opponents in the first place.

You're expecting Heine to know all of that when he can't actually make those assumptions.

Originally Posted by The American Average

Then what was the point of the Gouf? wasn't supposed to be a Fast close quarter combat suit. he had several seconds to dodge i would think that would be plenty of time but in this situation who would have a clear head.

Well, as it turned, out, in this case, there wasn't time enough. That's just how it is. No mobile suit is perfect enough to negate all dangers.

there really isn't any other Ace pilots that died in Combat besides him to my memory. several pilot characters died but not at Heine's level of Skill.

Well, there are Miguel Aiman and Marco Morassim.

[S.Freedom]

I know, it's that there's a reason outside of the universe that he died. If that reason didn't exist he likely would've lived and became the Impulse's pilot instead of Luna when Shin got the Destiny.

At least Miguel didn't get any development as a character. He was more a one and done character.

[The American Average]

Originally Posted by monster

Well, as it turned, out, in this case, there wasn't time enough. No mobile suit is perfect enough to negate all dangers.

makes me wonder if the Savior/Athrun could have gotten out of that tough spot. well for the Impulse it would have been a cake walk =p

Originally Posted by monster

Well, there are Miguel Aiman and Marco Morrasim.

really? Miguel Aiman that... i don't even

Marco Morrasim he felt like a filler character to me but i'll give you that one, i guess however I was more meaning in Destiny

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

I know, it's that there's a reason outside of the universe that he died. If that reason didn't exist he likely would've lived and became the Impulse's pilot instead of Luna when Shin got the Destiny.

Or better yet, ditch Rey altogether and let Heine pilot the Legend . Rey is such a boring character to have.

[monster]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

At least Miguel didn't get any development as a character.

To be fair, neither did Heine. His talk with Athrun isn't a development of his character, but of Athrun's character.

Originally Posted by The American Average

makes me wonder if the Savior/Athrun could have gotten out of that tough spot.

Actually, I would blame Athrun for being useless yet again in Destiny and not taking out the Gaia when he should've had a clear shot at it. But then again, Kira probably would've reacted to the Saviour's movement and attacked it.

But that's still preferable to me than Athrun just hovering there and then having the nerve to be mad at Kira.

i guess however I was more meaning in Destiny

Well, when your protagonist is from ZAFT and the EA does not have any onscreen ace other than Mu, it's amazing they even have time to have a ZAFT ace dying.

[S.Freedom]

Originally Posted by monster

To be fair, neither did Heine. His talk with Athrun isn't a development of his character, but of Athrun's character.

That's still better than Miguel as far as I'm concerned. He at least was likeable in his brief appearance.

[monster]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

That's still better than Miguel as far as I'm concerned. He at least was likeable in his brief appearance.

Um, okay, I'm not sure what the relevance is, but yeah, I can see why Heine would be likable to some people.

[The American Average]

did Miguel even have a personality? the only line i remember him saying was "You're way in over your head Natural!" oh and his arghha scream when got cut in half. and his death really didn't change anything either. Athrun didn't go apeshit till Nickel died

[monster]

Curious, why does that matter?