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Justin_Brett · 2011-05-29, 16:33

She didn't seem like she anticipated it any more than Nanoha did: they both had an 'oh shit, I'm boned' face.

And while I won't disagree with that assessment, since they all have some degree of arrogance, somehow I doubt he'd bother boasting to Arnage. Cypha or Veyron, maybe.

00-Raiser · 2011-05-29, 16:36

There are still passive defense measures. We also don't know the extent of Isis's neck breakage. Could have been minor enough to be fixed by some self healing magic.

Rising Dragon · 2011-05-29, 16:37

Plus, Devices can operate on their own. Puffy seems to be an Intelligent type.

Justin_Brett · 2011-05-29, 16:39

How would an immaterial substance like gas be able to serve a defensive role?

Arcc · 2011-05-29, 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

How would an immaterial substance like gas be able to serve a defensive role?

It's kinda spelled out in plain translated Japanese. Though it seems I was wrong about the vector altering- it's more an electronic systems interference so ignore that.

Justin_Brett · 2011-05-29, 16:44

Sorry, I don't make a habit of rereading every chapter of a bad manga just so I can make sense in an argument.

Akiyoshi · 2011-05-29, 16:47

Also don't forget that Dividers can outright ignore any magical defensive enhacement, thus Isis surviving being Ax hitted in the neck can't be attributed tu magic alone, also when it's true that we can't confirm the neck snapping, blood is still visible and the hit was strong enough to take Isis down from the sky so there are very few explanations for her fast rexovering aside of having an immensely tough body, even a minor injury on such a sensible area is of big importance. Nobody should be able to continue the fight after receiving a hit on that spot the way Isis took it, save probably for Subaru or the cyborgs.

Arcc · 2011-05-29, 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

Sorry, I don't make a habit of rereading every chapter of a bad manga just so I can make sense in an argument.

Uhuh. I'll say it again: if it's so bad, please take your arguments to something you actually give a shit about.

Justin_Brett · 2011-05-29, 16:54

Well, I care about the character in question. Just not the story she's involved in.

And I checked her page on the wiki and things related to it, and there was nothing about anything like that. If it's in earlier pages of this 112 thread, well, I'm sorry.

Arcc · 2011-05-29, 17:08

I'll quote it for you:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isis

White Perfume: Mystic Flight. It terminates the guidance and explosion mechanisms of missile objects.

Also called White Perfume #7. It's an electronic countermeasure system (that apparently also resembles a smokescreen), so yes; I was wrong about it possibly affecting the axe.

Justin_Brett · 2011-05-29, 17:15

That raises some further questions, actually. Does she have another variant for actual spells, or does she primarily encounter enemies who use kinetic weapons?

Maybe she's running from her dad.

mielipuoli · 2011-05-29, 18:25

A thought occurs to me - I would suggest that Isis is indeed a Combat Cyborg, for further reasons beyond the ones mentioned above. We know the TSAB has been involved in Bad Plans before. And we know that this scientist group that had Lily has been...working in questionable departments. Since Jail Scaglietti, who was a tool of the TSAB, is now in TSAB custody, who's to say his mysterious benefactors aren't still getting things from him? I mean, he's right where he could do them the most good, and even has a gaggle of Combat Cyborgs running around with him to help out.

Isis' existence, and the details behind it - if she is a CC - may lead to some really interesting developments...

Arcc · 2011-05-29, 18:36

What I'm curious about, and this is really just an area for fun speculation, is what the "disturbin' weapons" Isis had in her bag when she was captured were. We know Arnage didn't recognize the explosive chemicals disguised as cosmetics until they were used against her, so what do you imagine the more obvious weapons were?

Personally, I like to think she had a LAW tube and six kilos of C4.

Endscape · 2011-05-29, 19:14

What Isis had on her could have been red herrings, you know.

Justin_Brett · 2011-05-29, 19:35

Quote:

A thought occurs to me - I would suggest that Isis is indeed a Combat Cyborg, for further reasons beyond the ones mentioned above. We know the TSAB has been involved in Bad Plans before. And we know that this scientist group that had Lily has been...working in questionable departments. Since Jail Scaglietti, who was a tool of the TSAB, is now in TSAB custody, who's to say his mysterious benefactors aren't still getting things from him? I mean, he's right where he could do them the most good, and even has a gaggle of Combat Cyborgs running around with him to help out.

Isis' existence, and the details behind it - if she is a CC - may lead to some really interesting developments...

This would make everyone who worked to capture him completely useless and negate the point of an entire season, so I hope not.

Plus Isis is too old to have been made recently.

00-Raiser · 2011-05-29, 19:39

Jail has been actively helping out in return for favours ala Hannibal Lector so he could be involved in all kinds of things.

Rising Dragon · 2011-05-29, 19:41

We do know that there's others out there who've made Combat Cyborgs, like Ginga and Subaru's creator. They don't necessarily have to be allies of Jail.

Justin_Brett · 2011-05-29, 19:44

Yeah, from the heroes. I'm kind of assuming Hayate, or Fate at the very least would keep an eye on him, at least second-hand, to make sure that kind of thing doesn't happen.

00-Raiser · 2011-05-29, 19:51

Anyways, I don't see why she can't just be a simple heiress who doesn't like the high life and is travelling to get away from her family.

She's an heiress, master tailor, powerful mage, etc, and slapping 'combat cyborg' onto that feels like something an author would do when making a Mary Sue.

Justin_Brett · 2011-05-29, 19:59

I'll be fine with anything just as long as she's not suddenly connected to the Eclipse too, since every other new character is.

It's certainly less stupid than the 'her and Curren are sisters/clones' theory, at least.

2011-05-29, 16:36	Link #2222
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	There are still passive defense measures. We also don't know the extent of Isis's neck breakage. Could have been minor enough to be fixed by some self healing magic. __________________

2011-05-29, 16:37	Link #2223
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Plus, Devices can operate on their own. Puffy seems to be an Intelligent type. __________________

2011-05-29, 16:47	Link #2227
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Also don't forget that Dividers can outright ignore any magical defensive enhacement, thus Isis surviving being Ax hitted in the neck can't be attributed tu magic alone, also when it's true that we can't confirm the neck snapping, blood is still visible and the hit was strong enough to take Isis down from the sky so there are very few explanations for her fast rexovering aside of having an immensely tough body, even a minor injury on such a sensible area is of big importance. Nobody should be able to continue the fight after receiving a hit on that spot the way Isis took it, save probably for Subaru or the cyborgs. __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2011-05-29, 18:36	Link #2233
Arcc Knight who says D'ni Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: -0,-0,-0,-0: The Brink of Time Age: 36	What I'm curious about, and this is really just an area for fun speculation, is what the "disturbin' weapons" Isis had in her bag when she was captured were. We know Arnage didn't recognize the explosive chemicals disguised as cosmetics until they were used against her, so what do you imagine the more obvious weapons were? Personally, I like to think she had a LAW tube and six kilos of C4. __________________ The more that you resist the tide The more it pulls you in The more you hang on for your life~

2011-05-29, 19:14	Link #2234
Endscape The Mage of Four Hearts Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 33	What Isis had on her could have been red herrings, you know. __________________ Illusion, illusion, this is illusion. It cannot harm me.

2011-05-29, 16:33	Link #2221
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	She didn't seem like she anticipated it any more than Nanoha did: they both had an 'oh shit, I'm boned' face. And while I won't disagree with that assessment, since they all have some degree of arrogance, somehow I doubt he'd bother boasting to Arnage. Cypha or Veyron, maybe.

2011-05-29, 16:39	Link #2224
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	How would an immaterial substance like gas be able to serve a defensive role?

2011-05-29, 16:44	Link #2226
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Sorry, I don't make a habit of rereading every chapter of a bad manga just so I can make sense in an argument.

2011-05-29, 16:54	Link #2229
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Well, I care about the character in question. Just not the story she's involved in. And I checked her page on the wiki and things related to it, and there was nothing about anything like that. If it's in earlier pages of this 112 thread, well, I'm sorry.

2011-05-29, 17:15	Link #2231
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	That raises some further questions, actually. Does she have another variant for actual spells, or does she primarily encounter enemies who use kinetic weapons? Maybe she's running from her dad.

2011-05-29, 18:25	Link #2232
mielipuoli Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	A thought occurs to me - I would suggest that Isis is indeed a Combat Cyborg, for further reasons beyond the ones mentioned above. We know the TSAB has been involved in Bad Plans before. And we know that this scientist group that had Lily has been...working in questionable departments. Since Jail Scaglietti, who was a tool of the TSAB, is now in TSAB custody, who's to say his mysterious benefactors aren't still getting things from him? I mean, he's right where he could do them the most good, and even has a gaggle of Combat Cyborgs running around with him to help out. Isis' existence, and the details behind it - if she is a CC - may lead to some really interesting developments...

2011-05-29, 19:39	Link #2236
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Jail has been actively helping out in return for favours ala Hannibal Lector so he could be involved in all kinds of things. __________________

2011-05-29, 19:41	Link #2237
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	We do know that there's others out there who've made Combat Cyborgs, like Ginga and Subaru's creator. They don't necessarily have to be allies of Jail. __________________

2011-05-29, 19:44	Link #2238
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Yeah, from the heroes. I'm kind of assuming Hayate, or Fate at the very least would keep an eye on him, at least second-hand, to make sure that kind of thing doesn't happen.

2011-05-29, 19:51	Link #2239
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Anyways, I don't see why she can't just be a simple heiress who doesn't like the high life and is travelling to get away from her family. She's an heiress, master tailor, powerful mage, etc, and slapping 'combat cyborg' onto that feels like something an author would do when making a Mary Sue. __________________

2011-05-29, 19:59	Link #2240
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	I'll be fine with anything just as long as she's not suddenly connected to the Eclipse too, since every other new character is. It's certainly less stupid than the 'her and Curren are sisters/clones' theory, at least.