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Sun-Ku · 2013-05-12, 08:25

Well, I wasnt including the russian part of europe, but yeah, it was a little off.
Nonetheless, the Populationcount in year 0 should be 40 to 80 Million (World Population at that time 170 to 250 Million, depending at what source do you look. And 18 to25% of that World Population was in Europe.)

Yes, crops need time, but the landmass to Population density is way off.
Thats below 2 people per square Kilometer (texas has 36). That is a Density like western Sahara and Mongolia. And these are not agrarculturalfriendly places like shown in the series.
US has Density of 34 and germany 230.

And that Density with this Land available, it should be Eden WITHIN the walls. These 250k could roam the land and live off Animals and berrys before setteling in.

Jan-Poo · 2013-05-12, 08:34

Though his comparisons are a bit off I must agree with Sun-Ku that 1 million people for that huge area is decidedly on the low side even for a medieval setting. The land should have been big enough to support 1.250 millions inhabitants.

Baghdad in 10th century is estimated to have had about that many citizens and it was a single city in an area that was mostly deserted apart the river banks.

Though this is most likely a fantasy setting so it's possible that in this world there are even more difficulties to grow crops (even though they have potatoes).

niffum · 2013-05-12, 09:05

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Originally Posted by Sun-Ku

Well, I wasnt including the russian part of europe, but yeah, it was a little off.
Nonetheless, the Populationcount in year 0 should be 40 to 80 Million (World Population at that time 170 to 250 Million, depending at what source do you look. And 18 to25% of that World Population was in Europe.).

So many? Well, that's my new thing learnt for the day.

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And that Density with this Land available, it should be Eden WITHIN the walls. These 250k could roam the land and live off Animals and berrys before setteling in.

This I agree with - I had a hard time buying that Sasha's village was running out of animals to hunt only a couple of years after the fall of Wall Maria. (Then again, that was Sasha's take on the situation and her definition of "food shortage" probably isn't the same as most people's...)

Poor ressource management combined with panic probably had a lot to do with it. It's difficult to say for sure without knowing more about the world, but assuming most farmers weren't producing much surplus food and the hunters stuck to killing what they needed, I assume that when the the refugees first arrived, they made a huge hole in whatever food supplies there were. Didn't the government also more or less herd them to one place? (I remember Eren talking about moving to a landfill, I think.) Gathered in one place, they would have seemed like an overwhelmingly huge number of people and they wouldn't have been able to be very productive, so the refugee problem probably appeared vastly inflated to what it actually was. Given that the people in power really don't seem to care much about what happens to anyone else, I assume they took the easy way out and tossed a few hundred people back out to reduce the refugees to a more "manageable" number.

So yeah, I agree with you that the land within Wall Rose could have supported all those people, especially given all those wide open spaces everyone seemed to gallop through when looking for that breach, but I can also see why that might not have been obvious to people at the time, especially if they were all terrified at the thought of another attack. Not that any of that makes any less of a messed up decision.

Newhope · 2013-05-12, 11:52

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Originally Posted by Sun-Ku

My thoughts on the World:

The Walled Area is as big as Texas? And they have problems with Food? WTF? How many Citizens do they have? 250.000 were send to their death. Thats approx. 20% of their Population. So 1.25 Million People in an Area as big as Texas....
Even if the technology sucks. Europe had 40 to 80 Million People in the Year 0. Thats the size of Texas, but with the topology and ecology seen in this series. And they cant even feed 1/40th to 1/80th with this landmass? (Access to saltwater and rich fishing grounds aside, you CAN definitely feed 1.25 Million People with agrarcultural products with this big a landmass. Even if 1/3 of it is lost.

Texas is 250k square miles Europe is 4 million square miles, Europe is actually slightly bigger in area than the US. England is roughly the same area as the area they're living in and roughly the same population during 1066-1200.

Food production isn't just down to size of area it also comes down to weather, land fertility and things like available man power which losing 250k of your able bodied work force from such a tiny population will have a hugh impact on such a labour intensive activities like agriculture.

I work in the environmental industry and yes having a large population shift will have a hugh impact on local wild life especially in an enclosed area like their living, examples of that can be seen in our our world like in Africa where people displaced by war and turned to bush meat too survive it devastated local animal populations.

Jan-Poo · 2013-05-12, 12:15

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Originally Posted by Newhope

England is roughly the same area as the area they're living in and roughly the same population during 1066-1200.

According to my calculations the area included inside wall Rose is about 453,645 km^2

England is different from Great Britain, and I'm pretty sure the estimated population of 1 million in early medi-eval times refers to the territories of England alone which amount to 130 km^2

Newhope · 2013-05-12, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

According to my calculations the area included inside wall Rose is about 453,645 km^2

England is different from Great Britain, and I'm pretty sure the estimated population of 1 million in early medi-eval times refers to the territories of England alone which amount to 130 km^2

Fairly sure those numbers are wrong, pretty certain the total radius of the whole human Field is 250km not 480km which would make total area around 200k square KM, area between wall rose and maria is by far the largest which is why is was important.

Spoiler for Size:

Jan-Poo · 2013-05-12, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Newhope

Fairly sure those numbers are wrong, pretty certain the total radius of the whole human Field is 250km not 480km which would make total area around 200k square KM, area between wall rose and maria is by far the largest which is why is was important.

Spoiler for Size:

I'm basing my calculations on what was disclosed in the anime

According to this 250 km is merely the radius of the first wall.

Also I'm aware of the map shown in the manga and it certainly doesn't match with the info provided by the anime as the latter states that the distance between Maria and Rose is the shortest while the former shows that it's the widest.

However the manga specifies that that map is just meant to give a general idea and it's not to be considered accurate.

If you have another source that makes you think the whole radius is 250 km I'd like to have a link

Newhope · 2013-05-12, 14:17

You'd have to get someone better than me with japanese to translate that because 250km radius of the central area wouldn't really make sense, because that'd make the size of the area inside the Sina wall only slightly smaller than the areas inside the other 2 walls.

Helius · 2013-05-12, 15:12

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Originally Posted by Newhope

You'd have to get someone better than me with japanese to translate that because 250km radius of the central area wouldn't really make sense, because that'd make the size of the area inside the Sina wall only slightly smaller than the areas inside the other 2 walls.

It makes sense when the illustrations are not to scale.

Newhope · 2013-05-12, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Helius

It makes sense when the illustrations are not to scale.

Image I posted is by the manga's author, and he clearly states the image while not extactly to scale is roughly right and it clearly shows area inside Sina is only a fraction of the size of the other areas.

Helius · 2013-05-12, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Newhope

Image I posted is by the manga's author, and he clearly states the image while not extactly to scale is roughly right and it clearly shows area inside Sina is only a fraction of the size of the other areas.

Not sure why that would be problem. It also says the central area is elevated which would make it look smaller than it actually is.

Either way, if it says central has a radius of 250km, then it has a radius of 250km, unless they provide the contrary.

Jan-Poo · 2013-05-12, 15:29

There is no question about the meaning of the information provided by the anime, it's perfectly clear.

At best you can say that the anime is wrong. But that's the only actual numbers that we have. The manga never provided any.

articuzwolf · 2013-05-12, 15:33

in the setting where a "mere" nobleman have a house/castle in the middle of the lake (and probably the area around the lake)

I doubt the king is very humble one and have smaller castle/area compared to those peasants/titan's foods/civilian

Newhope · 2013-05-12, 15:37

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Originally Posted by Helius

Not sure why that would be problem. It also says the central area is elevated which would make it look smaller than it actually is.

Either way, if it says central has a radius of 250km, then it has a radius of 250km, unless they provide the contrary.

Which why it need translating before people jump to conclusions, personally I take what the author says over what the anime says until proven otherwise.

Jan-Poo · 2013-05-12, 15:47

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Originally Posted by Newhope

Which why it need translating before people jump to conclusions, personally I take what the author says over what the anime says until proven otherwise.

It's not jumping to conclusion. That text was already translated.

And regarding the author I'd like to know where did you get your info that the radius of the whole country is 250k, because as far as I know the only numbers that we have are those provided by the anime.

If we don't accept the anime as a reliable source then we simply can't discuss about how big is the area left to humanity.

articuzwolf · 2013-05-16, 04:43

Next episode will probably end when Titan Eren saves Mikasa

although highly unlikely (due to time constraint) I really wish that next episode will end with Eren emerge from Titan's body

since black haired rogue titan with anger management issue saving Mikasa is not obvious clue enough for non-mangareader

chaos_alfa · 2013-05-16, 05:01

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Originally Posted by articuzwolf

Next episode will probably end when Titan Eren saves Mikasa

although highly unlikely (due to time constraint) I really wish that next episode will end with Eren emerge from Titan's body

since black haired rogue titan saving Mikasa is not obvious clue enough for non-mangareader

I think the next episode is going tot end with the 104 corps graduates choosing tot use Titan Eren in their plan to remove the Titans from the supply barracks.

The average of materiaal Being adapted is around 2 chapters per episode. The last episode was chapter 5 & 6. That is why I think the nest episode will be chapter 7 & 8.

jeroz · 2013-05-16, 07:04

It's such a big dilemma really. Both chapter 7 and 9 got awesome cliffhanger endings that could be used to finish up the episode. Personally I would like them to use them instead of wasted on commercial breaks.

Actually, I could see them stopping the next episode with a shot of the Supply Barracks in chapter 8 page 18, the one with Jean looking on worried. The one after that can start out with the same shot and continue from there. I don't mind skipping out the chapter 7 cliffhanger as long as we got the chapter 9 cliffhanger done right. This way episode 7 would also be rounding up a nice mini-arc on Mikasa's state of mind, and prepare things for the Barracks mini arc.

saurers123 · 2013-05-17, 01:16

Also, guys, after reading Marlo and Annie’s conversation about walled kingdom’s government, I just had an epiphany...I don't know if someone mentioned/thought of this, but I get the feeling that Reiner and co's motives(or at least their hometown's) was a rebellion against the king and the system of governance. I think Marlo and Annie’s conversation was spot on or at least part of the big story.

Here’s my random "fun fun" theory/speculation in “the bigger picture” of the story. Is mostly base on random animes I read and probably drifts off from actual evidence in the manga. DON’T READ UNLESS YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME:

Spoiler:

A 100 something years ago, some blindly idealistic dud(the true undoing according to Marlo and Annie’s talk) managed to become a very important person(a king or something) in some country. He deduced that in order to end all wars, humanity must unite together(thus the inherently humans are good part). The best way to unite them as fast he can was to create a common enemy, eg Titans(Pixis and Eren’s talk and how “common enemy’s” a fail). Like Gundam 00 Aeolia Schenberg style. So this king idealistic dud made scientists and stuff to create this common enemy, aka Titans. They used humans, who were blindly loyal to this king idealistic dud, thinking that it’s for humanity’s sake. However, this plan and its blueprints were leaked and some other countries thought it’s a great biological weapon and managed to grab hold of it. So there was a race on who could build such weapon and finally some countries managed to do it. However, the other countries’ experiments went awry. The default program that was written in the stolen blueprints was to destroy humans. A lot of the human test subjects in other countries, who managed to become titans, lost consciousness, went rage mode and just went on following what was programmed in them because of their own scientists blindly following the stolen blueprints. Luckily, this king idealistic dud’s scientists knew what was wrong in their own blueprints and manage to tweak it during the sudden appearance and attack of those other countries’ titans. So when they tested their own man-made titans, they transformed into lots of colossus titans, this time though, most of those colossal titans that king idealistic dud’s country made were able to retain consciousness. However, due to the difference in speed between colossus titans and other countries’ titans(assuming they’re the small ones), they knew they were no match for them smaller titans. So they built a wall around their country to protect themselves from the other countries’ titans. However, after the walls were built, this king blindly idealistic dud realized how he was a failure and left the decisions to scientists and nobles(or top brass). Thus, the future generations of kings were only puppets. A lot of those people, whom he left his political power with, were afraid of these colossus titans and thought that they might also attack them someday, tried to stuck them into the walls, saying that it’s for “humanity’s sake” to these blind-follower colossus titans. These people, who were left with the political power, became the religion and hid these secrets only amongst them, the nobles who participated in the event(One of them nobles was the Reiss family, aka Historia’s) and the top brass in the government. They banned everything about the outside world, and hid the truths on how the walls were built out of paranoia and to save face, as they didn’t want the people to think that there government was a failure and that it was their own entire fault.

This knowledge of how to transform humans into titans was buried as well, and only the specific nobles and the religion at least had an idea of how to do it. Then again, history repeated in the course of the almost century anniversary when the humans first built the walls. Some idealistic dud again, who was born in the noble families that were among the few who knew of the secrets, wanted to go outside the world just like Eren and Armin. So when he finally reached top brass positions, he made a brilliant plan. He wanted to transform all humans into titans and blend in with the outside of the wall titans. He thought, by doing that, humans would no longer be afraid of them, reclaim the lost lands humanity once owned, and finally explore the beautiful world. So he made scientists do his wishes. These scientists revisited the titan transformation experiments, however, the exact knowledge on how to build them were lost, so they had to do everything from scratch.

Now here comes in the ARB trio. Their hometown was selected and probably used as an experimental town to test out new theories on this man-made titan transformation that the new scientists of the idealistic noble worked on. I'm guessing though that their hometown was incredibly remote(great for experiments!~~) and the experiments were kept secret and one of the scientists who lead the experiment was probably Eren's father, Grisha(heck he could even be the idealist noble guy I mentioned). They probably found the opportunity to do the experiments in secret in the trio’s hometown because the town was experiencing a “deadly plague.” They used the “vaccine” as guise for the experiment. At first it went all great, since the “vaccine” saved those who were almost dying from the “deadly plague.” The scientists knew that Titans have great regeneration skills and thought they almost succeeded with it. Turns out the experiments failed because probably others went rage mode, and the other ones who could retain consciousness didn’t manage to blend in completely with the titans from the outside(there’s the cannibalism and stuff). So the top brass government had abandoned their town. Their hometown found out what the government did to them and their people and they became hell bent on revenge(to hate humanity as Annie's father put it). They then trained and sent out child soldiers, Reiner, Bertolt, Annie, that other guy with R&B and probably others to destroy humanity. I assume they were the ones who were mostly affected by this kind of "deadly plague" and "vaccine" and the ones who manage to retain consciousness while in titan mode. They also probably used children to make a statement about how much damage the government system did to them and to the children and how they can't become human again.

But it wasn't just the trio's hometown that was used as experiments, there were others as well, like Connie's and Ymir's and others that were extremely remote. The trio's hometown probably knew of those kind of towns as well, however, they probably thought that only ARB+other guy with RB were the only ones who could retain consciousness/intelligence. Thus, when Eren appeared to be a titan and was able to remain intelligent at the very least, the trio saw this opportunity as a proof to give out to their hometown, that they weren’t the only ones who could retain intelligence. It’s not actually a guarantee though that there hometown would agree to not destroy the walls and humanity. Though it’s a probably a guarantee that Reiner and Bertolt aren’t the ones who’s going to do it anymore since they think that bringing Eren with them, could stop this whole revenge agenda stuff.

NOW IGNORE ME!! OMG. This post was so long.

. This is the first time I posted this long of a speculation...

Puu · 2013-05-18, 18:41

I just had a thought (or two) today:

Spoiler for SPOILERS for manga?:

2013-05-12, 08:25	Link #161
Sun-Ku Member Join Date: Jul 2004	Well, I wasnt including the russian part of europe, but yeah, it was a little off. Nonetheless, the Populationcount in year 0 should be 40 to 80 Million (World Population at that time 170 to 250 Million, depending at what source do you look. And 18 to25% of that World Population was in Europe.) Yes, crops need time, but the landmass to Population density is way off. Thats below 2 people per square Kilometer (texas has 36). That is a Density like western Sahara and Mongolia. And these are not agrarculturalfriendly places like shown in the series. US has Density of 34 and germany 230. And that Density with this Land available, it should be Eden WITHIN the walls. These 250k could roam the land and live off Animals and berrys before setteling in. __________________

2013-05-12, 08:34	Link #162
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Though his comparisons are a bit off I must agree with Sun-Ku that 1 million people for that huge area is decidedly on the low side even for a medieval setting. The land should have been big enough to support 1.250 millions inhabitants. Baghdad in 10th century is estimated to have had about that many citizens and it was a single city in an area that was mostly deserted apart the river banks. Though this is most likely a fantasy setting so it's possible that in this world there are even more difficulties to grow crops (even though they have potatoes). __________________

2013-05-12, 15:29	Link #172
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	There is no question about the meaning of the information provided by the anime, it's perfectly clear. At best you can say that the anime is wrong. But that's the only actual numbers that we have. The manga never provided any. __________________

2013-05-12, 15:33	Link #173
articuzwolf Wolf in Sheep's Clothing Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orange Road Age: 34	in the setting where a "mere" nobleman have a house/castle in the middle of the lake (and probably the area around the lake) I doubt the king is very humble one and have smaller castle/area compared to those peasants/titan's foods/civilian __________________ Resonance, My Dream!

2013-05-16, 04:43	Link #176
articuzwolf Wolf in Sheep's Clothing Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orange Road Age: 34	Next episode will probably end when Titan Eren saves Mikasa although highly unlikely (due to time constraint) I really wish that next episode will end with Eren emerge from Titan's body since black haired rogue titan with anger management issue saving Mikasa is not obvious clue enough for non-mangareader __________________ Resonance, My Dream! Last edited by articuzwolf; 2013-05-16 at 04:55.

2013-05-12, 14:17	Link #168
Newhope Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	You'd have to get someone better than me with japanese to translate that because 250km radius of the central area wouldn't really make sense, because that'd make the size of the area inside the Sina wall only slightly smaller than the areas inside the other 2 walls.

2013-05-16, 07:04	Link #178
jeroz Art Block Specialist Join Date: Jun 2007	It's such a big dilemma really. Both chapter 7 and 9 got awesome cliffhanger endings that could be used to finish up the episode. Personally I would like them to use them instead of wasted on commercial breaks. Actually, I could see them stopping the next episode with a shot of the Supply Barracks in chapter 8 page 18, the one with Jean looking on worried. The one after that can start out with the same shot and continue from there. I don't mind skipping out the chapter 7 cliffhanger as long as we got the chapter 9 cliffhanger done right. This way episode 7 would also be rounding up a nice mini-arc on Mikasa's state of mind, and prepare things for the Barracks mini arc. __________________ [TAC]

2013-05-17, 01:16	Link #179
saurers123 Member Join Date: Jun 2010	Also, guys, after reading Marlo and Annie’s conversation about walled kingdom’s government, I just had an epiphany...I don't know if someone mentioned/thought of this, but I get the feeling that Reiner and co's motives(or at least their hometown's) was a rebellion against the king and the system of governance. I think Marlo and Annie’s conversation was spot on or at least part of the big story. Here’s my random "fun fun" theory/speculation in “the bigger picture” of the story. Is mostly base on random animes I read and probably drifts off from actual evidence in the manga. DON’T READ UNLESS YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME: Spoiler: A 100 something years ago, some blindly idealistic dud(the true undoing according to Marlo and Annie’s talk) managed to become a very important person(a king or something) in some country. He deduced that in order to end all wars, humanity must unite together(thus the inherently humans are good part). The best way to unite them as fast he can was to create a common enemy, eg Titans(Pixis and Eren’s talk and how “common enemy’s” a fail). Like Gundam 00 Aeolia Schenberg style. So this king idealistic dud made scientists and stuff to create this common enemy, aka Titans. They used humans, who were blindly loyal to this king idealistic dud, thinking that it’s for humanity’s sake. However, this plan and its blueprints were leaked and some other countries thought it’s a great biological weapon and managed to grab hold of it. So there was a race on who could build such weapon and finally some countries managed to do it. However, the other countries’ experiments went awry. The default program that was written in the stolen blueprints was to destroy humans. A lot of the human test subjects in other countries, who managed to become titans, lost consciousness, went rage mode and just went on following what was programmed in them because of their own scientists blindly following the stolen blueprints. Luckily, this king idealistic dud’s scientists knew what was wrong in their own blueprints and manage to tweak it during the sudden appearance and attack of those other countries’ titans. So when they tested their own man-made titans, they transformed into lots of colossus titans, this time though, most of those colossal titans that king idealistic dud’s country made were able to retain consciousness. However, due to the difference in speed between colossus titans and other countries’ titans(assuming they’re the small ones), they knew they were no match for them smaller titans. So they built a wall around their country to protect themselves from the other countries’ titans. However, after the walls were built, this king blindly idealistic dud realized how he was a failure and left the decisions to scientists and nobles(or top brass). Thus, the future generations of kings were only puppets. A lot of those people, whom he left his political power with, were afraid of these colossus titans and thought that they might also attack them someday, tried to stuck them into the walls, saying that it’s for “humanity’s sake” to these blind-follower colossus titans. These people, who were left with the political power, became the religion and hid these secrets only amongst them, the nobles who participated in the event(One of them nobles was the Reiss family, aka Historia’s) and the top brass in the government. They banned everything about the outside world, and hid the truths on how the walls were built out of paranoia and to save face, as they didn’t want the people to think that there government was a failure and that it was their own entire fault. This knowledge of how to transform humans into titans was buried as well, and only the specific nobles and the religion at least had an idea of how to do it. Then again, history repeated in the course of the almost century anniversary when the humans first built the walls. Some idealistic dud again, who was born in the noble families that were among the few who knew of the secrets, wanted to go outside the world just like Eren and Armin. So when he finally reached top brass positions, he made a brilliant plan. He wanted to transform all humans into titans and blend in with the outside of the wall titans. He thought, by doing that, humans would no longer be afraid of them, reclaim the lost lands humanity once owned, and finally explore the beautiful world. So he made scientists do his wishes. These scientists revisited the titan transformation experiments, however, the exact knowledge on how to build them were lost, so they had to do everything from scratch. Now here comes in the ARB trio. Their hometown was selected and probably used as an experimental town to test out new theories on this man-made titan transformation that the new scientists of the idealistic noble worked on. I'm guessing though that their hometown was incredibly remote(great for experiments!~~) and the experiments were kept secret and one of the scientists who lead the experiment was probably Eren's father, Grisha(heck he could even be the idealist noble guy I mentioned). They probably found the opportunity to do the experiments in secret in the trio’s hometown because the town was experiencing a “deadly plague.” They used the “vaccine” as guise for the experiment. At first it went all great, since the “vaccine” saved those who were almost dying from the “deadly plague.” The scientists knew that Titans have great regeneration skills and thought they almost succeeded with it. Turns out the experiments failed because probably others went rage mode, and the other ones who could retain consciousness didn’t manage to blend in completely with the titans from the outside(there’s the cannibalism and stuff). So the top brass government had abandoned their town. Their hometown found out what the government did to them and their people and they became hell bent on revenge(to hate humanity as Annie's father put it). They then trained and sent out child soldiers, Reiner, Bertolt, Annie, that other guy with R&B and probably others to destroy humanity. I assume they were the ones who were mostly affected by this kind of "deadly plague" and "vaccine" and the ones who manage to retain consciousness while in titan mode. They also probably used children to make a statement about how much damage the government system did to them and to the children and how they can't become human again. But it wasn't just the trio's hometown that was used as experiments, there were others as well, like Connie's and Ymir's and others that were extremely remote. The trio's hometown probably knew of those kind of towns as well, however, they probably thought that only ARB+other guy with RB were the only ones who could retain consciousness/intelligence. Thus, when Eren appeared to be a titan and was able to remain intelligent at the very least, the trio saw this opportunity as a proof to give out to their hometown, that they weren’t the only ones who could retain intelligence. It’s not actually a guarantee though that there hometown would agree to not destroy the walls and humanity. Though it’s a probably a guarantee that Reiner and Bertolt aren’t the ones who’s going to do it anymore since they think that bringing Eren with them, could stop this whole revenge agenda stuff. NOW IGNORE ME!! OMG. This post was so long.. This is the first time I posted this long of a speculation... Last edited by saurers123; 2013-05-20 at 06:45.

2013-05-18, 18:41	Link #180
Puu Senior Member Join Date: May 2013	I just had a thought (or two) today: Spoiler for SPOILERS for manga?: Reading the translation to the opening song, what if the reason the Titans are attracted to the walls/cities in the first place are the Colossal Titans within the walls? They may not be fully conscious but perhaps they're subconsciously acting as a beacon to other Titans and influencing them. For example, they may have not been completely compliant when they got put into the walls and are now broadcasting their hatred to the humans who did put them there... Also, on the topic of humans being turned into titans: I feel like Sasha's food-nomming obsession is really just a set up... and eventually, we'll have to deal with Titan!Sasha who ends up being an abnormal.... with crazy, crazy, mad skills when it comes to getting humans to eat....