2009-10-26, 16:12 | Link #229 |
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Speaking of Novel 7, I was actually quite pleased to see those two come to an understanding of one another. After all, since we're confined by Kyon's POV, it's not uncommon to overlook how Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi feel about each other.
And even though Mikuru is scared of Yuki, she still shows compassion towards her when Spoiler for NOVEL 7. Honestly, read it people!:
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2009-10-27, 19:00 | Link #231 | |
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Not saying you are wrong, but I interpreted the same way as Takari. Also, I don't remember well, but I am pretty sure she said something friendly about Yuki just after Spoiler for Book 7:
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2009-10-28, 13:54 | Link #233 |
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I've never been able to wrap my head around why people insist that Kyon 'is a jackass' towards Yuki. I feel like the view probably originates from difficulties grasping the nature of Kyon and Yuki's relationship. Their trust in each other is implicit: both of them know how the other feels about the bond and acknowledge it internally, so they don't have a need for overt gestures or even covert gestures of the sort that Haruhi's tsundere qualities lead to in Kyon's relationship with her.
Additionally, I think that as obvious as Yuki's feelings for Kyon are, she, like he, is constantly reminded by the events of the story that they have a job to do. Kyon enlisting her aid most often is the obvious choice as he trusts her more than anyone, knows that she is capable and patient, and most importantly: won't ask too many questions. It seems people often forget how frequently Kyon's under the gun, and the whole Spoiler for seventh book:
So what if Kyon doesn't make frequent big, obvious gestures of thanks to Yuki? He certainly thinks about finding some way to repay his debt to her a lot, but he's also realistic about the things he can and cannot do versus the power of an alien robot data goddess. That being said, when Spoiler for book four:
As far as I'm concerned, Kyon and Yuki understand each other and the situation more than well enough for this to be sufficient and then some.
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2009-10-28, 16:13 | Link #235 | |
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However, his behavior in Vol.7 wasn't that nice. Spoiler for Intrigues:
I agree, however, is not so much a big deal as some (specially Kogetsu) makes appear to be, but isn't something to be ignored either. |
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2009-10-29, 07:29 | Link #238 | |
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Personally, if I were Kyon I will be far nicer to Yuki, after what she has done for me. Maybe nice enough that Kogetsu might want to use that knife... Or maybe she is just afraid of the Near-Omnipotent Alien. Who won't be? |
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2009-10-29, 10:11 | Link #239 |
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At first I could see that. But the fact that that fear seems to continue throughout the series, and even into the elder Mikuru's time, seems to indicate there's a concrete reason for it. IE "they burned Chicago to the ground back in '22" or something similar.
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2009-10-30, 00:36 | Link #240 | |
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We have seen three "organizations" in the Haruhi series (let's ignore the "anti" organizations from SMS and Volumes 7 and 9 for now). We've got Yuki's nigh-omnipotent Data Overmind and the rest of its similarly powered Humanoid Interfaces. We've got Mikuru's people from the future, with all the advances in technology and understanding of the physical (and metaphysical) world that that implies (not to mention specific knowledge of certain future events). And we've got the Haruhi equivalent of the X-Men, Itsuki's Organization (Agency, etc.), whose knowledge of the other two groups is surprisingly considerable. Now think about how each group would view the others. Yuki's group is not going to pay the others much attention. She's already criticized the Time Travelers' core technology, and neither the powers nor the information gathering of the Espers come close to her own. Itsuki's fellow espers have a surprising grasp of the abilities and origins of the other two groups, and are certainly aware that in sheer power (Data Overmind) and technology (both) their group is severely lacking, but they're still humans of this era, with a modern understanding of the world. Kyon similarly has an idea of Yuki's and Mikuru's powers and abilities—better, honestly, than that of the Organization—but nothing concrete to compare it to. And of course Haruhi and the rest of the humans are clueless. Mikuru and her Time Travelers, however, with their greater knowledge of things in general and the years and years more of experience with knowledge of the Data Overmind, don't have to speculate at the vast powers of Yuki or the rest of the Overmind. They very likely know. And that knowledge scares the bejeezus out of Mikuru(both). Also, should Itsuki or one of the other espers do the wrong thing around Yuki or Kimidori (much less a hypothetical resurrected Ryoko) and get the "turned to sparklies" treatment (or an errant knife), it would suck, but it wouldn't be a massive loss in their grand scheme of things. Mikuru, on the other hand, has things she needs to do, and a much more tenuous position. She gets vaped, or sent back home, or even interfered with to a point—three things the Interfaces wouldn't have to put any real effort into—and not only is she personally screwed, but there very likely is no longer a future for her to worry about. Or at least not one that's hers anymore.
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