2013-09-27, 06:47 | Link #41 | |
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First of all, Dolfamingo doesn't appear to be the kind of guy, who relies on his status, if it isn't absolutely necessary (i.e. being stripped of his Shichibukai status, turning him into a mere noble pirate ). Otherwise, he wouldn't have gone through the trouble of becoming an underworld broker or pirate. Like Law said, he worked a couple of years to achieve this status on his own accord and not by relying on his nobility lineage, spreading the word that he’s a Celestial Dragon to everyone standing in his way. Furhtermore, I don't think, Dressrosa turned it's back on the WG. Doflamingo would have announced something along the lines of "The government saved your asses from your despicable king – cherish them forever" or something similar. He simply said, that he freed the inhabitants of their king, so this was more a struggle for power like the case of Alabasta. Alabasta is part of the WG but Crocodile wanted to have a kingdom for himself. Remember that the kingdoms stay autonomous for most of the time. Of course it could be the case, that Dressrosa fell under Dragon’s or one of the Yonko’s command, but with the facts presented, I strongly doubt it. The island is very close to the former Marine HQ, where many VA and the Admirals resided. I don’t think the marines would let a place, which is so close to the government’s “heart”, being controlled by pirates or revolutionaries or simply accept the fact that one of the “Creator Kingdoms” leaves the WG. In addition, I doubt that back then, Dragon's army would have had the capability of bringing an island in such a close proximity to Marine HQ under its control. On a side-note: Taking Fishman Islands's location into account, I find it strange for it to be a kind of an outlaw island for so long. I always wondered, why the WG never took it under its control, as it is a central point for every pirate, except Shiki, who's heading to the New World and, on top, is only a couple kilometres away from Mariejois. @Whitemoon: You’re right, we maltreated the rest of the forum enough with this pointless debate Last edited by ri0; 2013-09-27 at 08:19. |
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2013-09-27, 10:42 | Link #43 | |
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2013-09-27, 16:37 | Link #44 |
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Anyways, something I've wanted to point out for a while is that I find it interesting that Oda hasn't fully revealed the designs of ANY of Dofla's top officers so far. I mean, even in the case of Diamante (the officer we've seen the most of so far,) we've barely seen more than his face. I don't think Oda's ever taken the time to gradually reveal the sub-bosses like this before, has he? He's done it plenty of time with main villains, but lackeys are another story, I think.....
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2013-09-27, 18:20 | Link #45 | |
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2013-09-28, 01:53 | Link #46 | |
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~Jane Wagner Why did you bother responding to the Link 34 and Link 41 if this is what you feel about the debate? You reply to my posts then you put this comment afterwards. Did anyone force you to reply to the post? |
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2013-09-28, 04:21 | Link #47 | |
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But I doubt we already know them, he did the same thing with Vergo who we didn't knew. Besides wouldn't it be a better hype if they are revealed to be people we know it could start all kinds of speculation and possibilities hyping them even further. |
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2013-09-28, 06:24 | Link #48 | |
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What confuses me here is the rank between WG and world nobles, Who is more powerful between them ? If the more powerful is world nobles, then how if the member of world nobles like Doflamingo makes a crime ? Whether WG would arrest Doflamingo for justice or do nothing ? |
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2013-09-28, 10:50 | Link #50 | |
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I bothered responding to your posts because I wanted to address some points, cause I had another opinion and thought forums exist to discuss Altough off-topic: I personally don't quite agree with Mrs. Wagner. It would be a rather pitiful existance, if that was the sole reason for language. |
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2013-09-28, 13:08 | Link #51 | |
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The WG, or more specifically, the gorosei (five elders) are the highest authority in the world. So that means they're above the world nobles.
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2013-09-28, 20:08 | Link #52 |
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So far the only hype we got from Doflamingo's strongest officers was the annihilation of the Riku royal army. If those armies are like the typical kingdom armies, then a logia like Caribou could have done the same thing. The question is, will they even give Zoro, Sanji and Franky a good fight?
I hope Luffy gets the chance to fight Doflamingo or Burgess in this arc. That way we can have a little idea of how strong Luffy really is. Luffy and Zoro's strength is still an enigma after the time skip.
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2013-09-29, 09:34 | Link #54 | |
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2013-09-29, 09:53 | Link #55 |
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Cant wait to see a logical explanation to Fujitora's weird powers. Black holes, meteors, energy shields and maybe some kind of invisibility since he just left the battle for a chapter? Not even a space based devil fruit can explain this randomness.
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2013-09-29, 19:41 | Link #57 | |
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That was one of the reasons i mentioned. Something , some reason ( maybe plot related) that Oda might have to not show their faces but show Diamante's face. Also they could still be already known characters. As for Vergo, actually i was one of the few people that said it might be a new character . |
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2013-09-30, 02:31 | Link #58 | |
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Maybe Oda will use Doflamingo and his crew to show us the horror that is Kaidou, it's impossible to tell right now. Like I said before it would be a better hype if we already knew them and their faces but not the reason for their affiliation with Doflamingo. It could also be to simply hype their appearance. PS: 3 of Crocodiles former numbers are still relevant to the plot, Mister 2 is in impel down, Mister 1 is still with Crocodile and Mister 3 is with Buggy. All of them have a high chance of reappearing and in case of Mister 2 and 3 they already had a major arc they took part in. |
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2013-09-30, 02:39 | Link #59 | |
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Oh man, when will it finally resume |
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2013-09-30, 03:50 | Link #60 | ||
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Well, whether they're nobles or not, I think it's pretty clear that the 5 elders are the ones calling the shots in the WG. I mean, it's not like we've seen any of the other nobles in those big meetings where the elders talk about preserving the world's balance in the face of the threat of pirates and the lost history, right? Really, the WG always struck me as pretty much being a worldwide dictatorship. The fact that they would even go as far as to erase whole islands from existence just to keep the lost history a secret just flat-out screams police-state mentality to me. Kinda like North Korea or something to use a real-life example (heck, the fact that the world nobles are referred to as "Celestial Dragons" even reminds me of the practically godlike reverence that many North Koreans have for the Kims). If you think about it that way, it's no wonder why Luffy's dad started gathering a huge rebel army to overthrow them...... Quote:
Well, I think it's clear that the officers have some significance due to them having had a hand in overthrowing the Riku royal family. I strongly doubt any of them are past characters, though. Still, my point was that I found it very interesting that the lackey characters are getting such a gradual level of build-up. That's something you'd expect from the big bads themselves, not so much their servants..... |
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