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2010-01-31, 15:31 | Link #965 | |
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During the first, not only does he not regenerate his damage during the fight, his arm is still missing even after he reverts to his human form. During the second, he tries unsuccessfully to regenerate his arm during the fight. This, despite the fact that the ability to reform his arms to his liking is his primary skill. So, no, Isley never exhibits a level of regenerative capacity anywhere close to what Priscilla is capable of. Remember, Priscilla regenerates so quickly that Isley couldn't even see it happen. This is more than a difference in power. This is a difference in kind. |
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2010-01-31, 16:03 | Link #967 |
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stop it you guys! Aimless said that by the ultimate law of ockham's blade, his logic never fails!!!1!
I've been to chinese websites and one of them actually has some content about the new chapter but I can't find it anymore |
2010-01-31, 16:13 | Link #968 | |
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However, how is it that they are even capable of this regeneration in the first place? Do you believe that any of the Abyssals were actually defensive-types? None of them have really shown traits that make me think that. Luciella ran away, but that was due to survival instinct because she was beaten by a superior force and would have died. Well, whatever. |
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2010-01-31, 16:25 | Link #969 | |
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I mean, come on, Riful regenerated her freaking head... We know two of the AOs (Isley and Riful... 3 if you include Beth growing back her blades) could regenerate in battle as long as they still have power to do so. Riful even said I can't regenerate anymore. Keyword being anymore, implying she could a bit ago. Priscilla just has way more yoki then the AOs (not sure if this matters but she is only regenerating a human body... not her awakened form. Speculation... maybe it doesn't drain her as much regenerating a small girls arm rather then a giant fallen angels arm.). Yagi himself wrote the databook and called her offensive, all of Priscilla's actions scream Offensive warrior, and we know AOs can regenerate at the close to the speed Priscilla can. That shows a clear progression of stronger yoki's can overcome their offensive limitations of not being able to regenerate. All the evidence points to huge yoki reserves being the exception to the rule. Finally, Irene said she could regenerate her arm at human strength... given time. She wasn't awakened and an offensive number 2. Her reasoning for being able to regenerate was her power level. There is a clear trend in the manga that strong offensive warriors can regenerate. Priscilla is just at the pinnacle of this trend. |
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2010-01-31, 16:44 | Link #970 |
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The thing is, what they were as an Claymore really doesn't matter - it does to normal Awakened, but the Abyssals and Priscilla are on a level far above that. It really doesn't matter what type they were.
In a way, the whole arguement is moot whether or not they were Offensive or not. If you ask me, all 4 of them were Offensive, because they've shown traits and characteristics, that make me think that. The only real thing that creates the belief they may have been Defensive is the level of regeneration they are capable of, which fights against the sheer power and other things they have shown and we have learned. Moments of fear don't mean anything either, because Fear is too broad and big of a human emotion too simply tie it down to being Defensive-only. Everyone is capable of fear, regardless of power and what type they were. In summation; the incredible power of Abyssals, and Priscilla, is so great, that they are capable of regeneration to such an extent, that it really doesn't matter whether or not they were originally Offensive or not. It does to normal Awakened like Dauf and Rigardo, because they have less power to play around with, and their regeneration is slow to level out their sheer power. Then again, they are on a league far below the Abyssals. |
2010-01-31, 16:56 | Link #971 |
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Since Priscilla is so powerful she could be as well a defensive warrior and have mighty attacks. The fact she killed youma doesn't necessarily mean she's an offensive warrior. I mean, under circumstances she was in to not take advantage of a free frag and instead hide and squeal would be rather stupid (although on the other hand for a girl to be able to cut off someone's head is ridiculous). Anyway, this situation doesn't tell us which warrior Priscilla is because we don't know what Priscilla was thinking when she became a claymore. In addition one can kill in order to protect himself and because he was afraid and not because he was angry or wanted revenge thus can be considered a defensive warrior.
Aimless does have a point that Priscilla's regenerative abilities are too good to say that she's an offensive warrior and I would say that it's at least as good argument as Priscilla killing a youma that didn't even see/sense her. |
2010-01-31, 17:11 | Link #972 | ||
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Here's the translation as from Onemanga: Chapter 79 pages 27-28 Miria: "There are never-ending battles going on between different countries and people, all for territorial reasons...about a hundred years ago, the war split into two sides, and began the battle for supremacy..." Quote:
Chapter 79 pages 27-29 From Onemanga: Miria: "One side can be considered as the Dragon's kins. They're said to have non-human comrades with extremely tough skin, and they quickly took control of the battle. The other side side quickly tried to invent new weapons to fight against their enemies. Soon after, that research gave birth to a new weapon, and that is a WEAPON THAT ALLOWS A HUMAN TO TURN INTO A MONSTER." As you can plainly see, the Dragonkin clearly were on the attack before Awakened Beings were even invented! As for their not being united before the war split into two grand alliances, I'm not sure we have the evidence for it. We do have evidence of a political structure amongst the Dragonkin, which, excepting Isley's army, stands in strong contrast to most Awakened Beings hating company. What we know is that Dragonkin are sentient beings that live in a tribe and form a key part of their alliance's political/military power. Here's the evidence Onemanga's translation, Chapter 80 page 01 Miria, speaking of hybrid super-soldiers: "But use of their true power is restricted to when they encounter the draconic tribe at the heart of the enemy forces." This is as good a confirmation we're going to get until Claire or Miria meet one face-to-face. Miria says it all. The Dragonkin are a unified tribe on a single side, fight in groups (see Chapter 80 pages 02-03), are therefore sentient enough to have their own political and hierarchy structure, and no doubt have some power over the military in their alliance.
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2010-01-31, 18:24 | Link #973 | |
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Priscilla killed her father when with an ax as a little girl... when Deneve hide under her bed at the same age. It's safe to say she was all about killing yoma for self-preservation even back then, when defensive warriors are all about not risking there life (flight/flee) as humans. In fact even her awaken part of her mind choose to attack Teresa, not flee. With the exception of one time she choose fight not flight (and that one time was more panicking then flight )... Therefore she is offensive. We know what she was like back then and now... and it hasn't changed. I hope that cleared things up. Last edited by Ryus; 2010-01-31 at 18:37. |
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2010-01-31, 19:08 | Link #974 | |
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Rather than instantaneous regeneration it is more like the energy being held back normally is now gushing forth from all her wounds. It seems limitless... It seems to me that priscilla can regenerate that fast simply because of her large yoki pool. Aimless has a point but it is i think not the most probable solution. Isley is imo really an offensive type the whole fighting style, when he said to luciella to take her straight on with no tricks, seems to indicate that. isley could regenerate fast against helen too.
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2010-01-31, 19:11 | Link #975 |
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I used to only look for new chapters around the 4th, and usually I wasn't disappointed... now I started looking around the 27th so every day its - still no spoilers...
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2010-01-31, 20:18 | Link #977 | |
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Hopefully she will be here, and she'll be alive and well, unlike the first spoiler. |
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2010-01-31, 22:36 | Link #979 | ||
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Hi There, Hmmm.......grim signs, but I, as a Yuma fan myself, would like to echo the sentiments of Shiek927 and Negativedark. I hope and wish that Yuma, and of course Cynthia too, make it through the next trial; and maybe with a little something afterward as a mark of their perseverence . Let's believe that 40 is the new lucky number . Thanks, Blue Pentacle.
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