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2010-08-27, 14:33 | Link #8823 | |
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2010-08-27, 15:21 | Link #8824 | |
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2010-08-27, 15:54 | Link #8825 |
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I think they are the result of a long and ugly history of the world and Abrahamic religions.
Democracy or not, they are retreating back into their shell - that isn't good because they will be come the North Korea with nukes and high-tech military equipment of the 21st century.
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2010-08-27, 16:12 | Link #8826 | |
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you can tell by how frustrating it is. and you can tell by the way that if the law is passed, the supreme court will probably strike it down as being unconstitutional. boycotts, in this context, means advocating and encouraging other countries and organizations to try and damage Israel's economy as much as possible, for the purpose of aiding its enemies. and a democracy means majority rule. i guarantee you that by far the majority of Israelis would support actions taken against useful idiots who actively aid the enemy. especially when those actions are about nothing more then double standards. but like i said, the courts would probably deny it. Quote:
compare Israeli civilian to combatant kill ratio with that of the US, and you'll find that the US kills one militant for every ten civilians http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...militant-za-09 Israel's figures are far better, and yet it gets far more criticism http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...ecise-1.236163 you can't throw a stick in the middle east without it landing on someone with a far worse human rights record then Israel's and yet Israel remains the only country condemned by name by the UN human rights council (being the subject of over 50% of all its resolutions). Israel continues to be singled out in the UN security council by the general assembly by the UNSCO by humanitarian groups who routinely ignore everything else in the middle east and focus entirely on the LEAST offensive country there. hell, the US killed consideably more people in Falija then Israel did in Gaza, and yet there is no special investigation in that regard there was a boarder despite in saudi arabia/ yemen boarder in 2009 that killed almost 10,000 people, and most will never hear about it. hell, there is litteraly no mention in the international media concerning the over war in congo this past decade that resulted in 5 MILLION DEATHS !!!! the main problem with Israel, is the almost pathological obsession that the rest of the world has with it. you've had over a million deaths in the civil war in iraq this past decade. but ask people on the street what the "middle east conflict" is, and i damn well guarantee that their response would be the arab israeli conflict (which hasn't produced even 1% of that death toll in the comparable time, and not even 10% of that during its entire HISTORY) anyone would be touchy after several decades of that shit
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2010-08-27, 18:07 | Link #8827 | ||
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Either way though, do Israel and the US define terrorists in the exact same way? If could very well be some of those terrorists would have been defined as civilians by the US.
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2010-08-27, 18:13 | Link #8828 | |
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in 2005, IDF strikes killed 28 terrorist/militants/combatants for every civilian. and the US defines it the same way that Israel does. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the varius other groups in Gaza are considered terrorist groups by both, and militants belonging to those groups are therefore terrorists and you can substitute the word "terrorist" for "militant" if it matters all that much to you. the MAIN point being that the US record when it comes to targeted killings results in much more civilian deaths then the Israel one. guess who gets more blame.
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2010-08-27, 18:26 | Link #8829 | |
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2010-08-27, 18:40 | Link #8830 | |
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or you pick up radio/cellular chat indicating who they are. or there is evidence on the ground on them carrying weapons (weapons don't simply mean guns, they could mean rocket launchers and stuff) and setting up for a launch. or they are hiding inside structures known to belong to Hamas/Islamic jihad/whatever or they can be secretly approaching the security fence around Gaza (the boarder between Gaza and Israel) which they have no reason doing other then trying to cause mischief (read: plant IEDs) there are many ways to identify the target before attacking (otherwise, whats the point of attacking) Israel has a considerably easier time at this then the US does. Gaza is a small area, just a couple of miles from Israel proper, and completely covered by UAV's at all times. smalelr area, means a handful of UAV's can cover it completely. also, the size of Gaza and the massive presence of informants means that you can take your time tracking the target. the US strikes in Pakistan are in a very large area, which most of the time happen with rather limited Intel there is so much ground to cover, and limited UAV's to cover it, that you can't really take your time. you have a target right now, but in a couple of minutes you might lose it forever. so the US often attacks targets even though there will be massive collateral damage, mainly because its a now or never deal. the Israeli air force can track a target for hours on end, and only strike when there is a limited civilian presence. also, US strikes (and in the past, Israeli strikes) use hellfire missiles that are originally designed to kill tanks (and therefore have much more explosives) Israeli strikes (either from UAV or Helo) use smaller missiles that cause much less collateral damage (i'm pretty sure the US is also developing better ones)
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2010-08-27, 19:33 | Link #8831 | |
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2010-08-27, 19:48 | Link #8832 | |
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i'll give you another example of this obsession. the entire Israeli palestinian conflict, in all 62 years of it, has produced roughly 20,000 casualties on all sides (again, its in 62 years) during the same time, you have had, just to name a few : Kurdish-Iraqi War 100,000-105,000 deaths North Yemen Civil War 100,000-150,000 Lebanese Civil War 150,000-170,000 Gulf War 40,000-57,000 Iranian Revolution 7,500-80,000 Black September in Jordan 25,000 killed (more palestinians were killed in one MONTH by Jordan, then Israel killed during its entire existence) 1991 uprisings in Iraq 60,000-100,000 Al-Anfal Campaign in Iraq 182,000 Muslim Brotherhood-Syria conflict 40,000 Iran-Iraq war 1,000,000 Iraq War around 1,000,000 and many other conflicts all around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...he_Middle_East chances are that you've never even heard about most of these conflicts, but they all happened in the middle east, and are all far more brutal and bloody then the Israeli palestinian conflict. what exactly, makes the Israeli Palestinian conflict so unique that its called "the middle east conflict" ? why are people talking about peace talks in the context of that conflict as "peace in the middle east" ?
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2010-08-28, 04:07 | Link #8836 | |
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Suposedly in 1948, that stretch of land had evicted all non-Jews to make it a full jewish state. It is a huge mistake that US made at that time against the Russians during the Cold War - Israel is nothing but a proxy state for the US as the Russians are supplying the other ME countries with arms. It is a 21st century crusade. It is not like the Jews wanted to give the Muslims trouble - the part in the Koran where Prophet Muhammad hammered the Jews for going back on their promises is overquoted as a "crusade against the Jews". That is racism known as anti-semitism, not a religious belief.
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2010-08-28, 05:16 | Link #8837 |
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Beck under fire for rally on civil rights anniversary
What an idiot. He should have just move the rally on Sunday or something.
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2010-08-28, 06:33 | Link #8839 | |
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