Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA [manga]

[Wandering Soul]

Originally Posted by The Green One

Many, many levels of irony with both Emiya and Julian. Perhaps Rin ended up summoning Saber's card like she always wanted. She might of lost her life in the conflict too.

If that is true then Rin simply can't win at all. The one universe she gets the class she wants and she ends up dying in the conflict.

[FlareKnight]

Damn...that was just a brutal beating for Shirou. Of course he never stood a chance in that state. That was basically Shirou getting annihilated by Lancer. And although he survived it....his mental condition is a mess in a lot of ways. He still hasn't completely found his footing yet. He only realized at that point that....he really had nothing to fall back on. Nowhere to run, no one that could help him.

While he thought he'd made his choice....at that point he was left with a tough thought. Julian seeming to have inherited Kiritsugu's ideals more than Shirou did. Until he can find the ability to define himself apart from those ideals...he's going to be stuck in place.

Of course plenty bad for Miyu too. Her brother gets seemingly killed and she's taken in by that psycho.

All the irony abound to be sure. Shirou and Julian, both in a sense having completely pointless magic from a normal mage's point of view....but, that not really being the case. I still hope the end result is Shirou vs Julian. I know it's Illya's show....but damn after this it feels like he deserves the chance to take that guy down.

[ukulelembo]

Originally Posted by The Green One

Perhaps Rin ended up summoning Saber's card like she always wanted.

Originally Posted by the one above all

If that is true then Rin simply can't win at all. The one universe she gets the class she wants and she ends up dying in the conflict.

The question is whether there even is some Rin. Don't forget that previously Shirou said that he doesn't know name Tohsaka. Which mean that there either isn't any Rin, or Shirou never meet her during War.

[GDB]

I'm doubting there will be a Rin in this war. It's more likely that only people currently in the city will be Masters. But we don't even know the rules, since we know Angelica already has the Gilgamesh card. The other girl might already have Thor too, which would conflict with Sakura's Berserker. Also, it'd mean Shirou's card is the only one that went with Miyu to the Illya world.

So either there are two Emiya cards, or screw the rules there are lolis.

[The Green One]

The problem with there being "No Rin" is why would Sakura be given to the Matous? The reason if I recall is because she was the second child, if she's an only child then there's no reason to give her up. Yet she's clearly in her Matou form so I don't see this theory working out.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by The Green One

The problem with there being "No Rin" is why would Sakura be given to the Matous? The reason if I recall is because she was the second child, if she's an only child then there's no reason to give her up. Yet she's clearly in her Matou form so I don't see this theory working out.

Well could always be that there was some kind of tragedy where Sakura was the only one that survived and was taken in by the Matous.

[ReddyRedWolf]

So the Ainsworth were the reason were the reason for the shadow as expected.

[ukulelembo]

Originally Posted by GDB

But we don't even know the rules, since we know Angelica already has the Gilgamesh card. The other girl might already have Thor too, which would conflict with Sakura's Berserker.

I bet that Julian has those two cards from their version of 4th Grail War or conversely Sakura got her card from Kariya and it's Lancelot who don't belongs into current set.
In any case, current War is confirmed for 7 proper participants, just like normal Grail War. So is safe to guess that there will be also seven proper classes.

Originally Posted by The Green One

The problem with there being "No Rin" is why would Sakura be given to the Matous? ...

I think that there definitely is or was Rin. Just Shirou never meet her. Ether she lives elsewhere or died before Shirou arrived into Fuyuki. Only ones who seem that really never existed in this universe are Einzberns. Which is probably main diverse point for whole Miyuverse.

[tuckersister]

Things are getting complicated. How many Class Card sets are there?

[GDB]

Originally Posted by The Green One

The problem with there being "No Rin" is why would Sakura be given to the Matous? The reason if I recall is because she was the second child, if she's an only child then there's no reason to give her up. Yet she's clearly in her Matou form so I don't see this theory working out.

Just means there's no Rin in Fuyuki. She could've gone to the Clock Tower at a young age, since it seems like Fuyuki is generally a low populated city in this universe.

[ukulelembo]

Originally Posted by tuckersister

Things are getting complicated. How many Class Card sets are there?

Julian himself has apparently whole bunch of cards as he is stated to be gamemaster and I also bets that Ainsworths will be creators of cards. But most of his cards are just failures for simple Noble Phantasm Summon. As we seen previously. Complete card set will be probably two or three if set that Illya found in Prismaverse will be standalone in some way. Considering that there are three different Berserkers, this is very likely. But is also possible that some Berserker is completely extra.

[henshinagogobaby]

Poor Shirou. After resolving to have a normal sister relationship with Miyu, Julian has to come and f*%k everything up. Though how he couldn't tell that man was bad news from the start is beyond me; the man has a constant death glare 100% of the time. He's supposed to be an Expy of Issei? Seems like he's more a mixture of Issei's looks and Shinji's personality; he thinks that it's his destiny to save the world and create an "epic" and so help you if you get in his way. Even his servants aren't spared his wrath.

Figures that Kotomine would be the one to "help" Shirou out after his loss; in any universe, that priest will just ooze creepiness. There are still things to be shown in this flashback:

- How did Shirou get the power necessary to fight back against Julian and his lackeys, thus leading up to his imprisonment? (Maybe overtaxing his power is what caused the change in his body to look more like Fate/Stay Night's Archer; a bit of his brown skin and white hair)

- How did Shirou learn of the existence of other parallel worlds, thus knowing where to send Miyu to save her from Julian's clutches?

- How did Sakura get roped into this? (Most likely, Julian brainwashed her using the Berserker Zero card, bringing out all the negative aspects of her personality a la Angra Mainyu's hold over Heaven's Feel Sakura, and using Shirou's image to keep her under control. Poor Sakura can't catch a break in any universe.)

- What is Julian going to do to poor Miyu in the time it takes for Shirou to mount a rescue? Why did he take his father's image over his own? Will it even explain why he's such an asshole in the first place?

[The Green One]

I'm willing to bet when Emiya summoned the Archer card that tapped into EMIYA'S power he was able to adapt to it quickly since it's his own power. However it's still hard on his puny mortal body to use it properly. It's more or less Heaven Feel's Archer arm all over again though with the medium of the card he might of been able to tap into it a bit more safely. After awhile he figured out how to use his projection powers on his own without the card as a medium.

[ukulelembo]

Originally Posted by henshinagogobaby

There are still things to be shown in this flashback:

- How did Shirou get the power necessary to fight back against Julian and his lackeys...

- How did Shirou learn of the existence of other parallel worlds...

- How did Sakura get roped into this?...

- What is Julian going to do to poor Miyu in the time it takes for Shirou to mount a rescue?...

Did you not read previous posts?

- Shirou summoned Archer card. Is not so hard to guess that after installing he gain all his powers and Archer's knowledge.

- Remain to be seen, but probably some outcome of Miyuverse's War.

- Sakura was participant of Miyuverse's Grail War.

- Probably same thing that he did in chapter 12.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by ukulelembo

Did you not read previous posts?

- Shirou summoned Archer card. Is not so hard to guess that after installing he gain all his powers and Archer's knowledge.

- Remain to be seen, but probably some outcome of Miyuverse's War.

- Sakura was participant of Miyuverse's Grail War.

- Probably same thing that he did in chapter 12.

I suspect some people don't dive into the spoilers for a chapter that hasn't been translated yet.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Well could always be that there was some kind of tragedy where Sakura was the only one that survived and was taken in by the Matous.

That's what I'm thinking too. The Tohsakas could have just died in the previous war, for example. Darius' death and the darkness swallowing the city five years ago must definitely be related to a Holy Grail War. If they had all died back then, it would explain why Shirou isn't familiar with the name, since he only came to Fuyuki five years ago.

Regarding the latest translated chapter, I wonder how Kotomine knew about Miyu. He said only he and Shirou knew she was in the Emiya household, and he seemed very familiar with Kiritsugu and his ideals. Could it be the theory Kiritsugu and Kotomine were friends in this verse is true?

[Twi]

New chapters are out. Even when Kotomine's not the villian he smacks Shirou around with words.

[quigonkenny]

Speculation:

Spoiler for chapter 35:

I speculate that the Ainsworths took the place of the Einzberns in the formation of the Grail ritual, and that both the Matou and Tohsaka families were wiped out in the last Miyuverse Grail War five years prior. In his word dump, Kotomine does not state the name of either of the two families who helped out the Ainsworths and were wiped out in the last MGW, but given that we already know the Ainsworths are the ones who created the cards, the other two components of the ritual correspond to what the Matous and Tohsakas supplied in the Prime Fateverse Grail ritual. We already know the Matous do or did exist, and given that it's the exact same patch of land as in the Prime Fateverse, the likelihood that the Tohsakas were the ones to supply it is fairly certain.

I further speculate that Sakura was given to the Matous at a young age much as in the Prime Fateverse, somehow survived the last MGW, and is entering the War to bring back her family. Given the previous speculation, that leaves open the possibility that she's wishing for the return of one family, the other, or both. That's the only thing I can think of that would lead her to turn against her beloved Senpai. Having to turn against him (and likely "kill" him next chapter, if we want to keep the parallels to the Prime FSN GW) is probably what eventually breaks her.

[FlareKnight]

Spoiler for Chapter 35:

Damn....life just keeps smacking Shirou around. Everything around him just breaking down and now even Sakura is a threat against him. Life just doesn't give Emiya Shirou a break.

It had to be as painful as anything that he knew where Miyu was, but utterly lacked the ability to reach her. That's just agonizing. She's basically right there, but might as well be on the other side of the planet. Even spending who knows how much to buy those black keys.

So yeah, very much a similar concept of the grail war being employed. Just that it seems the Ainsworths are basically replacing the Einzberns in this equation.

Still, should be an interesting time continuing to see this flashback unfold. Shirou will have to participate in this war and thus should get the power needed to break through and rescue Miyu. Just that he won't have the ability to fight off that entire group by himself and thus will have to sacrifice himself to get Miyu to safety.

[Gx Hero]

Um sakura is sad that she is part of the Holy Grail war. However Julian had control over all the cards so it would be different than before. Also something must happen since Julian had to control sakura. I guess that all happens when SHirou breaks through the barrier.

Poor Sakura her fate is always so bad till the end.