[Manga] Chapter 509 Discussion

[SeanQ]

A girl took Tobi's arm and cracked his mask...sorry...this bumps him down to #10 with konan still in last place in power rankings.

[Lunarskylar]

Jesus naruto, satan madara, judas sasuke and moses konan?

Kishi's trying to rewrite the bible!

[Nite-Wing]

So it really was Obito..........
Booooo he needs to kill Konan already shes still a non factor in the war.

So an Uchiha created the Rinnegan...........interesting

[DeDe]

After all this teasing about Madara's face, it better be worth the reveal.

After the giddiness of seeing a female do something impressive in this manga wears off, you realize things don't look good for Konan. Madara cannot be captured or killed right now. So anything Konan does has to fail just like her suicide-no-jutsu did. The ocean of paper cannot defeat Madara and it pretty much is her last chance. We also have what looks to be another very quick fight. Clearly Kishi wanted to get these two fights over with, but still give everyone as much fanservice as possible. And the dreaded flashback. It seems like Kishi will tie up the three orphans story here.

Madara will win somehow and likely kill Konan who departs telling us how Naruto is now Jesus who will defeat the evil. Madara might then just place a clone as the head of Awe. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Madara has placed puppet leaders in all the smaller villages. Their is your army.

Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto

Like you said, even Temari was reduced down to...whatever the hell she is now.

As james said, Gaara's worrying sister. That's what she has been reduced to. Just another meaningless girl in the manga who does nothing. In Part 1 she got independent development and three fights. Her relationship with Shikamaru, which produced her only real development, continued into Shippuden, but hasn't been touched on in a long time. So now she is a cardboard cutout. Yeah, I'm bitter.

With females in this manga, it's usually one step ahead, and three steps back.

Originally Posted by ShadowAssasin

getting naruto and his dumb ass friends off the screen is like a breath of fresh air.

I take it you didn't care for Gai, Kirabi, Yamato, and the Naruto Island Arc.

[Nite-Wing]

Because Part 1 Temari was so important to the plot? As far as I'm concerned she was Gaara's sister and thats it. If anyone has taken the most in character decay its Hinata.

In some way all females in the manga get ruined but Hinata's character has only been buillt up to be torn down unlike others who were great to begin with.

Konan deserves no special treatment she jobbed out to Jiraiya but is suddenly powerful enough to give Madara a run for his money.............
Anyway glad Obito is back

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by DeDe

So now she is a cardboard cutout. Yeah, I'm bitter.

With females in this manga, it's usually one step ahead, and three steps back.

-Mind if I rage along with you then DeDe? As I said earlier, we know that Kishimoto CAN make his women badass and awesome at any point. Problem is, he seems to think we need to wade through endless successions of the "worrying, delicate kunoichi", before we get some results...bleh.

[NoLongerSane]

Upon looking upon the spoilers posted, I am glad the Konan gets her time to shine. Besides being bested by Jiraiya and cocooning people in paper during the Konoha invasion arc (and being told to screw off by an unkown cocooned ninja), I was hoping to see some more of what she could offer.

[Neji112]

I'm really interested in seeing how this whole giving of the Rinnegan thing develops. How will this affect the Nagato Zombie? Will he still have the Rinnegan since it was not his bloodline limit, therefore not transferable through Edo Tensei?

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Neji112

I'm really interested in seeing how this whole giving of the Rinnegan thing develops. How will this affect the Nagato Zombie? Will he still have the Rinnegan since it was not his bloodline limit, therefore not transferable through Edo Tensei?

That was actually my first thought: So, this is how Kishimoto will depower the Nagato Zombie. The Edo Tensei brings back the body as it is was naturally in life (that's why Sasori came back as a "real boy"), so it follows that if the Rinnegan was placed in Nagato, i.e. he was not naturally born with the ability, then it stands to reason that the Rinnegan would not be with him if he were ever resurrected (along similar lines, this is how I expect Kishimoto to depower Itachi's zombie, limiting it to the Sharingan only).

That being said, this also explains why Nagato wasn't Rikudou-Sennin (i.e. so powerful he could create the Moon), and also why he wasn't the real "chosen one". This also explains why Madara can control the sealing statute.

[Casshern]

Hopefully Konan will beat Madara and they can all go home and live happily ever after.

EDIT: How the hell do Konan's powers work anyway? If she can make paper out of chakra or turn her body into it then what kind of elements does she combine and how is that not a bloodline limit?

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by Casshern

Hopefully Konan will beat Madara and they can all go home and live happily ever after.

EDIT: How the hell do Konan's powers work anyway? If she can make paper out of chakra or turn her body into it then what kind of elements does she combine and how is that not a bloodline limit?

She probably uses real paper and combines it with Fuuton in order to control them. How she can use so much paper at one time? I don't doubt that she's got a lot of it stashed in another place from which she can summon the paper by Kuchiyose. As for how she turns herself into paper, that's probably a Bunshin of sorts and not the real body.

[Cub-Sama]

Originally Posted by james0246

That being said, this also explains why Nagato wasn't Rikudou-Sennin, and also why he wasn't the real "chosen one". This also explains why Madara can control the sealing statute.

Madara stole the rinnegan from Naruto I'm calling it now, after all the parallels being drawn between Naruto and Rikkodou sennin all that is missing now is the rinnegan.

[tkdtiger]

Well its possible that madara used a ninja to attack nagato causing the rinnegan to activate thus giving him the rinnegan

[Gin]

Very Bleachy chapter this week, with Kishi Aizenizing Madara, and Madara losing yet another arm. How many is that so far?

Konan did good until she deicided to seal Madara, he can just space/time his way out of that.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by james0246

That being said, this also explains why Nagato wasn't Rikudou-Sennin (i.e. so powerful he could create the Moon), and also why he wasn't the real "chosen one". This also explains why Madara can control the sealing statute.

Now the questions that remain are how Madara got the Rinnegan in the first place (maybe they're actually the original Rikuodou Sennin's) and why was Nagato chosen of all people to receive the doujutsu. He was a weakling kid from impoverished country. Maybe Madara thought an evironment with high odds of death would provide the best conditions for Rinnegan to emerge. Seems he was right about that.

Originally Posted by NoLongerSane

Upon looking upon the spoilers posted, I am glad the Konan gets her time to shine. Besides being bested by Jiraiya and cocooning people in paper during the Konoha invasion arc (and being told to screw off by an unkown cocooned ninja), I was hoping to see some more of what she could offer.

Same here, I was pretty sure Kishi would forget about her.

[Nobodyman9]

Madara will turn out to be a clone. Or it'll all be genjutsu.

[Kafriel]

Konan's little fight wasn't so little after all^^ I'm glad she got a good shot at him, although the whole rinnegan gift is starting to rot...why did Madara pick Nagato, a normal civilian to give the rinnegan to (and not say, Yagura), why did he give it to someone else and not use it himself, how did it come to his possession in the first place?

[Sasheks]

Originally Posted by james0246

That was actually my first thought: So, this is how Kishimoto will depower the Nagato Zombie. The Edo Tensei brings back the body as it is was naturally in life (that's why Sasori came back as a "real boy"), so it follows that if the Rinnegan was placed in Nagato, i.e. he was not naturally born with the ability, then it stands to reason that the Rinnegan would not be with him if he were ever resurrected (along similar lines, this is how I expect Kishimoto to depower Itachi's zombie, limiting it to the Sharingan only).

That being said, this also explains why Nagato wasn't Rikudou-Sennin (i.e. so powerful he could create the Moon), and also why he wasn't the real "chosen one". This also explains why Madara can control the sealing statute.

Aren't everyone returning as a "real body" because the vessel is a real dead body? And their souls are just delivered in the real, dead body.

[Alchemist007]

Originally Posted by Alchemist007

What will happen:

Spoiler for crossoverhax:

Madara gets one Rinnegan put in his other eye socket, gets the Jyuubi resurrected, uses hax no jutsu to open a dimensional void into the Bleachverse where he fuses with Aizen to create the ultimate being (lets call him "Kubomoto"), riding the Jyuubi he manages to overpower Ichigo, withstanding the FGT. Naruto who manages to recover from the Kyuubi extraction, at the objection of every other Shinobi, chases after him. He see's Ichigo getting overpowered and decides "Shit, I should help him."

Then Baba appears and gives him the fusion earrings and tells him he must fuse with Ichigo if he is to stand a chance. Naruto tosses one to Ichigo who replies "Who are you? And what is this?" Naruto tells him that fusing is the only way to beat the new monstrosity and Ichigo using his intuition determines that Naruto is telling the truth. They then proceed to fuse and now must save the universe from total annihilation.

Continuation, simply in spite of Mr. Johnny 5:

Spoiler for crossoverhax2:

Ichito attempts to end this 'in an instant' using Hiraishin no jutsu FGT, unfortunately it takes too long to power up and Kubomoto already has knowledge of these moves, knows the procedure and FFPs out of the way just as quickly. The Jyuubi then proceeds to blast a fury of cero like beams, killing nearly all the town's inhabitants. This enrages Ichito and he charges the Jyuubi. Unfortunately this was Kubomoto's plan, who backstabs Ichito and kick him into the ground with tremendous force.

Ichito, now close to death, is approached by Kubomoto. Kubomoto asks "Do you want to see my bankai before I kill you?"

Ichito doesn't reply. Kubomoto continues "What's the matter, suffering from blood loss?"

Ichito then gets up like he wasn't even hurt and approaches Kubomoto and looks him in the face "When did you fall under the illusion that you dodged me?"

Kubomoto is then looking at his nose, but it was longer. It was Zangetsu, right through his head. There was no powering up for the FGT, it was just a stab through the head.

"But how am I still..." Ichito interrupts "Alive? It's because I wanted you to know how you died of course."

Ichito then moves Zangetsu an inch and Kubomoto is no more. He then disposes of the Jyuubi easily enough with a single FGT. The universe is safe once more.

That's the end of that.

As for the chapter itself...Konan is under Tsukuyomi or is simply better than Yondaime

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Now the questions that remain are how Madara got the Rinnegan in the first place (maybe they're actually the original Rikuodou Sennin's) and why was Nagato chosen of all people to receive the doujutsu. He was a weakling kid from impoverished country. Maybe Madara thought an evironment with high odds of death would provide the best conditions for Rinnegan to emerge. Seems he was right about that.

This could be a hell of head scratcher; namely thinking about all the possible things that could go wrong with that plan... I mean, if madara intended on Nagato to become a powerful tool for him, then the problem there is the fact that he was a war orphan and thus not really part of the local ninja system; even with those eyes the chances that he would actually grow strong without a teacher are incredibly small... there are just so many things that could have gone wrong that would have screwed over madara's plans... namely Nagato being killed, or even suffering injury to his eyes from an attack; i mean if Jiriaya wasn't with them, we know that Orochimaru might have killed Nagato right there on the spot...


madara: "I will give the most powerful eyes in the world to some random orphan and trust that he will somehow survive; randomly run into a great treacher; become a ninja and not die against anyone he fights; all while he develops a philosophical mindset that i will be able to easily manipulate for my needs... "
*20 years later*
madara: "Just as planned"