Gundam 00 Mecha, Weapons, and Technology

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by DV04

Yeah, I just rewatched the final battle (it's still awesome, no matter how many times I see it) and Harute doesn't unleash its missiles until it goes into Marute mode.

All the battles in that movie are awesome. And yeah, Harute launches its entire payload when it does that spin just before its face changes.

Has this been posted yet? The Quantum System is so godly that you can order parts

Spoiler:

It probably quantizes new parts for itself as needed.

[Jeffry2009]

I'm totally confused here about Ptolemaios.

Can you guys tell me that what's the difference between the 1st one & the 2nd one which to me it's like exactly the same like Ptolemy 1 but armed with Gun turrets & more MS loading bay.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by Jeffry2009

Can you guys tell me that what's the difference between the 1st one & the 2nd one which to me it's like exactly the same like Ptolemy 1 but armed with Gun turrets & more MS loading bay.

As you pointed out, the Ptolemy II was more well-armed than the Ptolemy, which had to rely on the Gundams for point-defense. Also, it had the Assault Containers to store the Gundams and a Launch track, whereas the PII actually had three hangars. Finally, the PII had optical camouflage, could enter and exit the atmosphere, and had a submarine mode. The only extra equipment the Ptolemy II from the movie had was extra boosters.

[bio9205]

Stayed overnight at a chalet for a day, couldn't sleep, so I did a little thinking. Couple of questions about the Harute:

1) What exactly is the blue visor for, really? I understand that the purple visor for Marute was for the couple of extra eyes, but the blue one in its regular mode makes no sense. Other MS like the GN Archer and the Garazzo have visors to hide their Gundam faces, but Harute's baffles me. Especially the fact it only covers its eyes.

2) The 2 boosters added onto its legs later on - are they removable attachments like the Innovator suits' thrusters, or part of the leg itself, i.e. literal part swapping? Simply put, is it ejectable? By its size I'd assume it was, but then again, the parts don't align.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by bio9205

1) What exactly is the blue visor for, really? I understand that the purple visor for Marute was for the couple of extra eyes, but the blue one in its regular mode makes no sense. Other MS like the GN Archer and the Garazzo have visors to hide their Gundam faces, but Harute's baffles me. Especially the fact it only covers its eyes.

I think the whole visor is an extra layer of sensors. Another theory is that it protects the sensors in the eyes, but I doubt it, since if that was the case why don't the other Gundams have it?

2) The 2 boosters added onto its legs later on - are they removable attachments like the Innovator suits' thrusters, or part of the leg itself, i.e. literal part swapping? Simply put, is it ejectable? By its size I'd assume it was, but then again, the parts don't align.

They're detachable. They just fit over the legs.

[BiscottiGelato]

I was wondering... How come nukes have no part in the Gundam 00 universe? I know they refrain from using it and prefer cleaner sources. But wouldn't you wanna bring out the 'big guns' from the 'old world' when facing a possible extinction level threat?

Given that the ELS is a hive mind, if I'm to fight it I'd place my bet on destroying the moon size ELS as it's probably the mastermind. Punching a hole with the 80m GN Laser and then piling as much Hydrogen bomb as you've got in there sounds like pretty devastating. Afterall the ELS didn't survive sun/star like temperature/pressure/radiation too well...

Also since they speculated that the ELS probably communicates among the hive via QBW. Shouldn't they try to throw out something that might distrubt QBW communication? I mean EFS have facilities that can shield QBW, so they know what's needed to block/distrupt QBW. Whether there's anything of that nature usable in battle is another problem of course. Didn't Ptolemaios shoot out some sort of GN distruption missle to stop the ELS from chasing after them at one point? Nothing of that nature seems to have been used in the final battle...

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by BiscottiGelato

I was wondering... How come nukes have no part in the Gundam 00 universe? I know they refrain from using it and prefer cleaner sources. But wouldn't you wanna bring out the 'big guns' from the 'old world' when facing a possible extinction level threat?

Assuming they still have nuclear weapons, and even then there's the question of effectiveness. Unlike what many sci-fi would like you to believe, nukes aren't really the big ball of doom they're shown to be when in space, since unlike on Earth there's no atmosphere to carry the heat and blast effects along a large distance. Even if they did have them, nukes would be totally useless.

Given that the ELS is a hive mind, if I'm to fight it I'd place my bet on destroying the moon size ELS as it's probably the mastermind. Punching a hole with the 80m GN Laser and then piling as much Hydrogen bomb as you've got in there sounds like pretty devastating. Afterall the ELS didn't survive sun/star like temperature/pressure/radiation too well...

Do note that your average hydrogen thermonuclear explosive has an effective blast radius of roughly less than 50 or so kilometers on Earth. In space its effective radius would be even less due to aforementioned lack of atmospheric conditions necessary to propagate the damage effects. And note that the ELS Planetoid was said to be 3,000 kilometers across. You'd need a hell of a lot of nukes... assuming you can even damage the planetoid in the first place using nukes.

Also since they speculated that the ELS probably communicates among the hive via QBW. Shouldn't they try to throw out something that might distrubt QBW communication? I mean EFS have facilities that can shield QBW, so they know what's needed to block/distrupt QBW. Whether there's anything of that nature usable in battle is another problem of course. Didn't Ptolemaios shoot out some sort of GN distruption missle to stop the ELS from chasing after them at one point? Nothing of that nature seems to have been used in the final battle...

We've seen no weapon in 00 capable of doing such a thing as wide-scale battlefield QBW disruption, with Trans-Am Burst and Quantum Burst being the closest there is to, but doesn't quite do the things you mentioned.

And launching GN particle disruption smoke seems to be standard operating procedure for the Ptolemy, regardless of enemy. They do it lots of times in S2 afterall, and there was really no indication that it was effective - hell the ELS were already acting wierdly before the smoke was launched.

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

If they had used nukes, I'm pretty sure the ELS, like everything else, would be assimilated.

That's all the ESF needed in the final battle, 10,000 nukes flying in their direction.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

If they had used nukes, I'm pretty sure the ELS, like everything else, would be assimilated.

That's all the ESF needed in the final battle, 10,000 nukes flying in their direction.

Like LoweGear said: Nukes aren't exactly what you would call... Game Breakers when they're used in a vacuum. Even if they're initiated a mere kilometer away from the target it wouldn't do anything more than singe the paint job and blind a few sensors. Or in the ELS case... nothing at all.

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Huh...I guess Gundam Physalis got lucky with the conditions then.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Huh...I guess Gundam Physalis got lucky with the conditions then.

That was just the writers and animators deciding that a nuke would be the most epic way of completely f*ing over the Federation. Mostly though, it was playing to the audience's own fear of nuclear devices. Or they just didn't know better.

[pikachuwei]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

I think it's the "sea" the 00Q was flying over. (The fifth image in the first set.)

but the first GN laser shot pierced the entire planetoid while teh second was deflected...
unless the ELS manifested the "sea" between shots? o___O

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by pikachuwei

but the first GN laser shot pierced the entire planetoid while teh second was deflected...
unless the ELS manifested the "sea" between shots? o___O

Actually it would have been rather trivial to either alter the sea's composition or "redirect" a large portion of it to that area. Billy specifically mentioned that the planetoid was "learning" as the battle progressed, so during the first shot the planetoid didn't have a defense set up. By the second shot it created one using what it had on hand.

[pikachuwei]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

Actually it would have been rather trivial to either alter the sea's composition or "redirect" a large portion of it to that area. Billy specifically mentioned that the planetoid was "learning" as the battle progressed, so during the first shot the planetoid didn't have a defense set up. By the second shot it created one using what it had on hand.

it seemed like the sea composed most of the mass of the ELS though (when the planetoid "peeled" you could see the sea was right under the "skin")

and if the sea was that dense how did Qan[T] fly through thousands of kilometers of the stuff to get to the centre? as it got closer to the planet's core, the pressure would have increased by insane amounts.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by pikachuwei

it seemed like the sea composed most of the mass of the ELS though (when the planetoid "peeled" you could see the sea was right under the "skin")

and if the sea was that dense how did Qan[T] fly through thousands of kilometers of the stuff to get to the centre? as it got closer to the planet's core, the pressure would have increased by insane amounts.

Actually I don't think the sea covered the whole interior. And, at most, the 00Q probably went through about a thousand kilometers, not thousands of them.

BTW, did anyone else notice the Zabanya ejecting its GN Missile Pods after it used them?

[Illsteir]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

BTW, did anyone else notice the Zabanya ejecting its GN Missile Pods after it used them?

I did. At first, I though those were GN mines or something similar. Maybe those were purged for being dead weight after depleting all the GN Missiles.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by Illsteir

Maybe those were purged for being dead weight after depleting all the GN Missiles.

Most likely. I mean they weren't doing anything else other than adding a little bit of extra armor... which didn't really matter against the ELS.

So anyway, I thought this was a cool screencap so I decided to post it. It's Setsuna initiating quantization, and I find the holographic keyboard to be pretty neat (and it appears they're still using a QWERTY in 2314).



And here's a quickly missed frame of the Zabanya's beam spamming glory:

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

Zabanya ejecting its GN Missile Pods after it used them?

I did! It's amazing what you can notice when you watch a movie in clear quality.

[BiscottiGelato]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

Like LoweGear said: Nukes aren't exactly what you would call... Game Breakers when they're used in a vacuum. Even if they're initiated a mere kilometer away from the target it wouldn't do anything more than singe the paint job and blind a few sensors. Or in the ELS case... nothing at all.

I understand that there won't be much of an 'explosion' in space for a hydrogen thermonuclear bomb. However all the energy will instead be released in the form of gamma radiation. Infact the gamma radiation blast radius will be bigger in space vs on Earth. The biggest man-made H bomb in the real world yielded 1.4% of the sun's output (for a few nano-seconds...), and that was when the Russian limited the yield of the test so it won't cause too much damage. And that was in the 1960s... I'm sure we have the tech to make an H bomb 4 - 10 times the yield today if we really want to, not to mention the yield possible in the 00 world. The resulting power should be enough to do quite some damage, especially if we are able to deliver multiple of these INSIDE the ELS mastermind sphere thing. Even if it doesn't affect the whole mastermind structure, it will kill a lot of ELS cells, possibly reducing it's computing power significantly.

The ELS was proficient in countering EFS's weapons only because they were all GN based. Just good old plastic explosive was sufficient in blowing the ELS Ribbons replica. We can see that their composite material is not that tough. And being organic life-forms they probably are extra susceptible to gamma radiations.

I think the only worry in such a weapon is it might also wipe out the friendly forces. It probably best be carried out far away before they reached any where near Earth. It will also likely be a suicide mission...

[console65]

Originally Posted by BiscottiGelato

The ELS was proficient in countering EFS's weapons only because they were all GN based. Just good old plastic explosive was sufficient in blowing the ELS Ribbons replica. We can see that their composite material is not that tough. And being organic life-forms they probably are extra susceptible to gamma radiations.

I think the only worry in such a weapon is it might also wipe out the friendly forces. It probably best be carried out far away before they reached any where near Earth. It will also likely be a suicide mission...

You're forgetting that they are organic metal and that they survived their own sun going nova, which releases a lot of radiation, and that space is filled with radiation which they have been flying through for who knows how long.