Nanoha - Q&A

[Nanya01]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

It would be logical to conclude they let someone keep a Lost Logia if it's relatively harmless, but that's just conjecture.

Not complete conjecture, Kaijo.

Remember the auction?

That was for "safe" Lost Logia, IIRC.

[Arkeus]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

Fate: "Ever since its founding, the TSA has, for peace and safety, rooted out those weapons and started to regulate the use of Lost Logia. That was 150 years ago."


Of course. But as has been noted, the TSAB seems more like a UN nation, and even among administered worlds, they don't seem to get involved unless directly asked or there is danger of a dimensional incident. They got involved with Earth, an un-administered world using mass-based weapons, twice in order to deal with Lost Logia. Whether they don't care because Orussia and Earth's mass-based weapons aren't capable of a dimensional disturbance, or they pick their battles carefully due to limited resources, is up to you depending on how you want to see it.

Indeed.

the TSAB itself has always prioritized LL to 'routing out' mass based weaponry.

LL aren't something they began 'later on' like you earlier said.

Looking back over his posts... no, he didn't cite anything. Keroko was the only one to quote the AeC entry from the booklet, which is all you have to go by. It doesn't say anything about a dimensional ripple in that entry. It doesn't say "It either works or it doesn't." You are putting in how you think the weapon works, rather than reading what is there.

No we aren't. As you said, Keroko did link it, and someone else before that. he had no need to say it yet again.

It very clearly said 'destroys everything within 100km', and the shows show it as a dimensional ripple.

there is no space for theorizing about those facts.

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by Arkeus

the TSAB itself has always prioritized LL to 'routing out' mass based weaponry.

LL aren't something they began 'later on' like you earlier said.

I will stand corrected on that minor point of when they began LL routing.

Originally Posted by Arkeus

No we aren't. As you said, Keroko did link it, and someone else before that. he had no need to say it yet again.

But you specifically said al103 provided a source, and as we both know, al103 didn't. Keroko did, as I corrected you on.

It very clearly said 'destroys everything within 100km', and the shows show it as a dimensional ripple.

there is no space for theorizing about those facts.[/QUOTE]

I saw a big explosion. "Dimensional ripple" are your words. Those words do not appear in the entry at all, nor are they mentioned in the show. It's probably more apt to call the explosion a "pretty light show" heh.

All we have is: "spatial distortion and a subsequent annihilating reaction is generated." That "annihilating reaction" pretty much describes a standard explosion, too.

[Tiresias]

Anyone know what powers TSAB ships? Spirit engines? Jewel seeds? ambient-magic-to-energy converter? Plutonium? Oil?

[al103]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Anyone know what powers TSAB ships? Spirit engines? Jewel seeds? ambient-magic-to-energy converter? Plutonium? Oil?

As I remember it... it wasn't given anywhere in canon except for Cradle

[Koveras Alvane]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Anyone know what powers TSAB ships? Spirit engines? Jewel seeds? ambient-magic-to-energy converter? Plutonium? Oil?

Presumably same kind of reactor as in the Cradle, maybe a bit more up-to-date. Judging by the fact that Wolfram's power output was affected by Eclipse Divide Zero in Force, it must run largely on magic, but that's a given with any Bureau tech, anyway...

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

Presumably same kind of reactor as in the Cradle, maybe a bit more up-to-date. Judging by the fact that Wolfram's power output was affected by Eclipse Divide Zero in Force, it must run largely on magic, but that's a given with any Bureau tech, anyway...

Yes, but where did the magic power came from? Ambient magic a la Starlight Breaker? Compressed magic that was stored beforehand like cartridges? Jewel seeds? Khaydarin Crystals? Element Zero? Tiberium? Spiral energy? The Philosopher Stone?

No mention of it at all? Then if we know nothing of TSAB ships, was there at least any mention on what powered the Cradle's reactor?

...it's not the brainwashed loli with a jewel seed in her, was it?

Or at least, was there ever any mention on whether a ship needs refueling - not resupplying, which can refer to other things like food or spare part - at all?

[Nya~n]

Nope, none mentioned.

[Koveras Alvane]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Yes, but where did the magic power came from? Ambient magic a la Starlight Breaker? Compressed magic that was stored beforehand like cartridges? Jewel seeds? Khaydarin Crystals? Element Zero? Tiberium? Spiral energy? The Philosopher Stone?

No mention of it at all? Then if we know nothing of TSAB ships, was there at least any mention on what powered the Cradle's reactor?

Or at least, was there ever any mention on whether a ship needs refueling - not resupplying, which can refer to other things like food or spare part - at all?

AFAIK there has been no instance when a ship, or any other magic-powered mechanism ran out of gas before. I see three possibilities myself: either the magitech can convert surrounding energy into mana, or it can be charged with so much energy, no matter how much you use, there will always be enough for a hundred more years, or the law of conservation of energy doesn't apply to mana and it can be literally created from nothing, which is what the Bureau tech does.

So far, we've only seen living beings with Linker Cores generating mana (presumably out of simple ingriedients like food and oxygen), so I have no idea how complex the tech to generate sufficient energy from heat and motion would have to be. As for magical capacitors, we've only seen them on small scale (cards and cartridges), and possibly in the Lost Logia (Seeds, Relics), but the limits of mana storage have never been explored AFAIK.

...it's not the brainwashed loli with a jewel seed in her, was it?

Unlikely. Vivio was just a catalyst: if she were the powersource, Vita wouldn't have to destroy the reactor...

[Arkeus]

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

AFAIK there has been no instance when a ship, or any other magic-powered mechanism ran out of gas before. I see three possibilities myself: either the magitech can convert surrounding energy into mana, or it can be charged with so much energy, no matter how much you use, there will always be enough for a hundred more years, or the law of conservation of energy doesn't apply to mana and it can be literally created from nothing, which is what the Bureau tech does.

Isn't it stated by Yuuno in S1 that RH can absorbs ambient mana in order to restore itself?

i think it *could* be the same.

So far, we've only seen living beings with Linker Cores generating mana (presumably out of simple ingriedients like food and oxygen), so I have no idea how complex the tech to generate sufficient energy from heat and motion would have to be.

We also have seen various power generators.

2 in HQ (one of them we see destroyed by Cinque), the ones in the craddle, and, of course, the one Precia was trying to build before BOOM.

Unlikely. Vivio was just a catalyst: if she were the powersource, Vita wouldn't have to destroy the reactor...

Especially as it's stated Vivio got power from the ship, not the opposite (hence why she was so dangerous).

[Koveras Alvane]

Originally Posted by Arkeus

We also have seen various power generators.

2 in HQ (one of them we see destroyed by Cinque), the ones in the craddle, and, of course, the one Precia was trying to build before BOOM.

But were they generators or simply accumulators/batteries? There is a subtle distinction between converting other energy forms into mana and storing mana for later use...

[Arkeus]

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

But were they generators or simply accumulators/batteries? There is a subtle distinction between converting other energy forms into mana and storing mana for later use...

Precia's was said to be a generator, and, iirc, so were the ones at HQ.

Also, given it was used for things like lights/computers, i rather doubt it's collected power from people.

[Kaijo]

Precia's Garden was powered by a reactor that Nanoha and Yuuno went to seal.

Cinque destroyed shield generators, which allowed them to attack other buildings (the shield generators for the peace conference hall were left intact so that people would be trapped inside).

Given that Vice's bike worked inside the Cradle in a total magic-negation environment, we can safely assume the TSAB has normal tech available to them. Isis using fuel cells would further hint as to what kind of non-magical tech they use.

[Arkeus]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

Precia's Garden was powered by a reactor that Nanoha and Yuuno went to seal.

Cinque destroyed shield generators, which allowed them to attack other buildings (the shield generators for the peace conference hall were left intact so that people would be trapped inside).

Nop, they were trapped inside because everything locked down (as in, physical doors).
the two generators were just main/back-up.

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by Arkeus

Nop, they were trapped inside because everything locked down (as in, physical doors).
the two generators were just main/back-up.

The doors were only part of it; after all, they did get the doors open and could get out, but for safety's sake, only Nanoha and Fate went out. Watch it again, and you'll see drones deliberately trigger the peace conference shields.

[Arkeus]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

The doors were only part of it; after all, they did get the doors open and could get out, but for safety's sake, only Nanoha and Fate went out. Watch it again, and you'll see drones deliberately trigger the peace conference shields.

that's HQ shields, not peace conference room shields.

and, yes, they were *attacking the shields* using drones as a siege weapons (AMF~) because they couldn't destroy both generators.

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by Arkeus

that's HQ shields, not peace conference room shields.

and, yes, they were *attacking the shields* using drones as a siege weapons (AMF~) because they couldn't destroy both generators.

Where is your evidence for HQ shields and not the peace conference? Remember, Regius was in the peace conference, and he commented that there was no way they could break in, to which Quattro replied that breaking in wasn't the point; it was to keep them all bottled up in there.

Remember, Jail's assault had two purposes: to secure Vivio, and to show the TSAB (and potential buyers) what his weapons could do. In that light, it was a brilliant strategy. While the top mages were guarding the peace conference, lock them down there and then assault Section 6 to recover Vivio which would be lightly defended.

[Tiresias]

Considering how most questions have no canonical answers -forcing us to rely on speculations- I have the feeling this might be futile, but I'll ask anyway:

1. What's Mid-childa's population count? And what's the number of it's planetary garrison?
2. Is Yuuno considered part of the Armed Force, or even the TSAB(considering that since it's a bureau -meaning there might be another Bureau- he might be a part of another sub-organization)?
3. Mariel Atenza was stated as the head of the precision engineering section of the TSAB Main Branch Engineering Division, so why was she involved in Subaru and Ginga's medical check-ups as well as being the one who monitored Ixpellia's condition at the end of SSX?
4. Who was the three old people shown at StrikerS of whom Vita seemed to be familiar with? And what are their names? IIRC at least one of them was named, Mizetto or something...

[al103]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

[*]What's Mid-childa's population count? And what's the number of it's planetary garrison?

Unknown.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

[*]Is Yuuno considered part of the Armed Force, or even the TSAB(considering that since it's a bureau -meaning there might be another Bureau- he might be a part of another sub-organization)?

Armed forces - no, he is civilian. TSAB - yes. His official position is head of one of TSAB sub-branches (Head Librarian of Infinity Library).

Originally Posted by Tiresias

[*]Mariel Atenza was stated as the head of the precision engineering section of the TSAB Main Branch Engineering Division, so why was she involved in Subaru and Ginga's medical check-ups as well as being the one who monitored Ixpellia's condition at the end of SSX?

Because Subaru and Ginga are cyborgs and Ix is nanobot factory.

Originally Posted by Tiresias

[*]Who was the three old people shown at StrikerS of whom Vita seemed to be familiar with? And what are their names? IIRC at least one of them was named, Mizetto or something...

Leone Mizetto (name is in doubt, as Lindy could refer to somebody else as "advisor Leone", but admiral Mizetto fit best), other two names are unknown. They are Three Admirals (with big T and A) - second generation of TSAB leadership, that taken reins of leadership from Brains in MC0.

[Keroko]

1: Unknown
2: Yuuno is not part of the armed forces, he's a civilian collaborator, aka a civilian who works with the Bureau but has no formal rank.
3: Because Ginga and Subaru's checkups tend to be mechanical, being cyborgs and all. Ditto for Ix, her body is basically a robot-zombie factory.
4: Those three people were the three grand admirals, they were a major part of ushering the TSAB into what they are now. Not quite sure on their names bar the one off the old lady, Mizetto.

Edit: I have to improve my ninja traps....