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Wild Goose · 2012-07-07, 14:06

Look at it this way: a chronological adaptation allows the relationships to grow better.

It's the difference between watching Season 1 of Leverage according to broadcast (all over the place) and DVD (chronological) order, as with the 2nd you get to see the team slowly working together and gelling into the team they are.

To an extent, while I liked volume one, a number of things, particularly Kirito and Asuna's relationship, did have a feeling of sorta coming outta nowhere, though it did establish that they'd have been friends for a long time.

I'd rather have a chronological adaptation because 1) it makes sense to new viewers and 2) we can actually see the relationship unfold and see them both defrost.

Also, I'm betting that the first 3 quarters of the series will cover SAO, in all of the sidestories - OP shows a scene from Aria in the Starless Night, and we've already seen Scilica, Lizbeth and Sachi - and then the last 8 episodes will cover Fairy Dance, given what I've seen of the cast list on ANN.

Volume One is a good story, but it isn't perfect, because the relationship upgrade seems like it's the result of a near-death experience. It's only after reading the sidestories that it becomes less so, and more clear that it's a friendship of mutual defrosting that evolved into something more.

Volume 1 relationship by itself is like an rifle with iron sights. Volume 1 with sidestories is like an ACR with fixed stock, EO Tech sights, underbarrel grenade launcher, side rail laser aiming module and Surefire taclight, and using PMags instead of standard magazines.

Sorry. Been playing Ghost Recon: Future Soldier.

Nihgthawk · 2012-07-07, 14:08

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Originally Posted by kyp275

both episode 1 and bits of episode 2 were part of a premiere screening in Paris a week or two ago.

So we can blame the french for something else now.

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Originally Posted by Shinji103

How would it be any different than it was for the novel readers back when only volume 1 was out?

They could go online and read the web version.

Ray · 2012-07-07, 14:09

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Originally Posted by DevilHighDxD

Well in the anime(preview), they show a guy jumping off a cliff suiciding and along with that girl with the black hair. I am assuming that they are part of the guild that kirito belong to. The guild's Leader is so "Meh" to me, jumping off a cliff because the guildmember's die and find out kirito is BEATER.

Yep, you're right. And I think you mean the girl with blue hair (Sachi)?

That scene, and those that prelude are going to be quite heart wrenching. x:

Shinji103 · 2012-07-07, 14:11

Well still.

And while it's not the only reason for my disappointment, my heart does cry largely because of the effective neutralization of volume 1's rule-breaker.

And a little head smashing with the crying.

kyp275 · 2012-07-07, 14:19

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Originally Posted by Shinji103

Well still.

And while it's not the only reason for my disappointment, my heart does cry largely because of the effective neutralization of volume 1's rule-breaker.

And a little head smashing with the crying.

curious, what is this "rule-breaker" you're talking about?

Wild Goose · 2012-07-07, 14:21

Dude, just enjoy the anime on it's own merits. You'll feel a lot happier that way. ;D

Shinji103 · 2012-07-07, 14:24

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Originally Posted by kyp275

curious, what is this "rule-breaker" you're talking about?

Novel spoiler.

Rennir · 2012-07-07, 14:28

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Look at it this way: a chronological adaptation allows the relationships to grow better.

It's the difference between watching Season 1 of Leverage according to broadcast (all over the place) and DVD (chronological) order, as with the 2nd you get to see the team slowly working together and gelling into the team they are.

To an extent, while I liked volume one, a number of things, particularly Kirito and Asuna's relationship, did have a feeling of sorta coming outta nowhere, though it did establish that they'd have been friends for a long time.

I'd rather have a chronological adaptation because 1) it makes sense to new viewers and 2) we can actually see the relationship unfold and see them both defrost.

Also, I'm betting that the first 3 quarters of the series will cover SAO, in all of the sidestories - OP shows a scene from Aria in the Starless Night, and we've already seen Scilica, Lizbeth and Sachi - and then the last 8 episodes will cover Fairy Dance, given what I've seen of the cast list on ANN.

Volume One is a good story, but it isn't perfect, because the relationship upgrade seems like it's the result of a near-death experience. It's only after reading the sidestories that it becomes less so, and more clear that it's a friendship of mutual defrosting that evolved into something more.

Volume 1 relationship by itself is like an rifle with iron sights. Volume 1 with sidestories is like an ACR with fixed stock, EO Tech sights, underbarrel grenade launcher, side rail laser aiming module and Surefire taclight, and using PMags instead of standard magazines.

Sorry. Been playing Ghost Recon: Future Soldier.

I completely agree with your post. I think a chronological adaptation be more effective than how Kawahara published the LNs. Different techniques of storytelling need to be used for different mediums, and while publishing all the SS's in volume 2 worked for the LN, it would be an awkward transition from the end of volume 1 to volume 2 in the anime. Short of putting a lot of flashbacks into the series, I don't see how they would manage to integrate the SS's, and even so, the long flashbacks would ruin the flow of the story.

Kirito · 2012-07-07, 14:30

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Originally Posted by Rennir

I completely agree with your post. I think a chronological adaptation be more effective than how Kawahara published the LNs. Different techniques of storytelling need to be used for different mediums, and while publishing all the SS's in volume 2 worked for the LN, it would be an awkward transition from the end of volume 1 to volume 2 in the anime. Short of putting a lot of flashbacks into the series, I don't see how they would manage to integrate the SS's, and even so, the long flashbacks would ruin the flow of the story.

That's a great point considering that we've been introduced to volume 2 characters ie, Lizbet and Scilia etc. in the first episode in a cameo sense. Since volume 2 is a side story/tie in to volume 1, why integrate them in the story while at the same time keep the pace of the first volume.

kyp275 · 2012-07-07, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Shinji103

Novel spoiler.

I certainly don't recall anything in the novel that gets "neutralized" by adapting the story in a chronological order.

Utsuro no Hako · 2012-07-07, 14:42

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Originally Posted by kyp275

I certainly don't recall anything in the novel that gets "neutralized" by adapting the story in a chronological order.

If you look at promo art of Kirito, there's a certain thing which is conspicuously absent.

Deltaray · 2012-07-07, 14:44

Seems that from judging the opening we will see the murder case side story too,

kyp275 · 2012-07-07, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Utsuro no Hako

If you look at promo art of Kirito, there's a certain thing which is conspicuously absent.

aha, gotcha.

Certainly a legitimate concern, but then it depends on whether/how they adapt that particular story arc.

Wild Goose · 2012-07-07, 14:56

The op implies that Kirito and Asuna take down the level 74 boss together, instead of him solo.

If this is the case, i approve. Needs more battle couple.

Wild Goose · 2012-07-07, 14:57

.... It's in his storage.

RainbowMagnet · 2012-07-07, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Deltaray

Seems that from judging the opening we will see the murder case side story too,

The fact that Kains' name appears in the roster also adds to that.

Ray · 2012-07-07, 15:01

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

The op implies that Kirito and Asuna take down the level 74 boss together, instead of him solo.

If this is the case, i approve. Needs more battle couple.

I don't. :/ I think that was just the OP's way of showing the battle, without actually showing the battle. Quite a few anime do that.

I honestly can't wait for that battle..

FlameSparkZ · 2012-07-07, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Kirito

That's a great point considering that we've been introduced to volume 2 characters ie, Lizbet and Scilia etc. in the first episode in a cameo sense. Since volume 2 is a side story/tie in to volume 1, why integrate them in the story while at the same time keep the pace of the first volume.

Well, all the players were present when the announcement was made...so that scene was used to do a quick introduction to them.

Also, regarding the plot's order, it will most likely be chronological.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Scilica, Lizbet and Sachi's side stories can be covered by an episode each.

Well, for now, I'll just look forward to ep 2 :3

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

.... It's in his storage.

About "this", I doubt that Kirito's *static* would be nerfed because, it's vital for the plot.

Deltaray · 2012-07-07, 15:33

Most likely they will take that 1 episode each, but I'd say they will adapt that one novel 1 chapter to those, which explains those 4 "groups", as Scilica story pretty much needs it in my option, maybe even Sachi one too.

kyp275 · 2012-07-07, 15:39

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Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Scilica, Lizbet and Sachi's side stories can be covered by an episode each

Agreed, except for Sachi. It's really going to depend on how they adapt that particular story.

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Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	Look at it this way: a chronological adaptation allows the relationships to grow better. It's the difference between watching Season 1 of Leverage according to broadcast (all over the place) and DVD (chronological) order, as with the 2nd you get to see the team slowly working together and gelling into the team they are. To an extent, while I liked volume one, a number of things, particularly Kirito and Asuna's relationship, did have a feeling of sorta coming outta nowhere, though it did establish that they'd have been friends for a long time. I'd rather have a chronological adaptation because 1) it makes sense to new viewers and 2) we can actually see the relationship unfold and see them both defrost. Also, I'm betting that the first 3 quarters of the series will cover SAO, in all of the sidestories - OP shows a scene from Aria in the Starless Night, and we've already seen Scilica, Lizbeth and Sachi - and then the last 8 episodes will cover Fairy Dance, given what I've seen of the cast list on ANN. Volume One is a good story, but it isn't perfect, because the relationship upgrade seems like it's the result of a near-death experience. It's only after reading the sidestories that it becomes less so, and more clear that it's a friendship of mutual defrosting that evolved into something more. Volume 1 relationship by itself is like an rifle with iron sights. Volume 1 with sidestories is like an ACR with fixed stock, EO Tech sights, underbarrel grenade launcher, side rail laser aiming module and Surefire taclight, and using PMags instead of standard magazines. Sorry. Been playing Ghost Recon: Future Soldier. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project) Last edited by Wild Goose; 2012-07-07 at 14:12. Reason: Edit for attempted adherence to spoilers. Garh.

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Shinji103 Crazy Devout Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks	Well still. And while it's not the only reason for my disappointment, my heart does cry largely because of the effective neutralization of volume 1's rule-breaker. And a little head smashing with the crying. __________________

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Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	Dude, just enjoy the anime on it's own merits. You'll feel a lot happier that way. ;D __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

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Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	The op implies that Kirito and Asuna take down the level 74 boss together, instead of him solo. If this is the case, i approve. Needs more battle couple. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

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Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	.... It's in his storage. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

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Deltaray Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Age: 30	Seems that from judging the opening we will see the murder case side story too,

2012-07-07, 15:33	Link #39
Deltaray Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Age: 30	Most likely they will take that 1 episode each, but I'd say they will adapt that one novel 1 chapter to those, which explains those 4 "groups", as Scilica story pretty much needs it in my option, maybe even Sachi one too.