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On a brighter note, F/SN is an incredible game even though I'm not a die-hard Type-Moon fan, so you're bound to enjoy it. It just takes a while to get really good.
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2010-08-12, 12:11 | Link #2422 | |
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2010-08-14, 01:29 | Link #2426 | |
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2010-08-14, 17:26 | Link #2428 |
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Off topic, but Hideo Kojima is like... God. I haven't played the whole MGS series yet but the storytelling is absolutely astounding. It's one of the only game series I can think of that has a good overall plot and knows how to integrate that plot into the game without tedious infodumps and boring text bubbles.
As for Nasu and Anno... yeah, that explains a lot. Although, Anno's only story that can really be compared to Type-Moon is Eva, and I didn't find it too hard to work my way through Eva's mindscrewing plot. It might be because working with an entire animation studio is different from working with an artist and a few assistants; AFAIK, there's no one to put a leash on Nasu's long-windedness and fantasy jargon that basically only makes sense after a week of reading on Type-Moon Wiki.
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2010-08-15, 03:00 | Link #2429 |
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So I just finished up my 3rd play through of UBW in preparation for the movie coming out soon.
Someone told me that Archer projected Rho Aius in Shiro's fight vs. Gligamesh (Since I pointed out that it didn't make sense for Shiro to do it), but on my replay I just don't see how Archer was the one who projected it. It was definitely Shiro. Secondly, I wish we could get a sequel to F/S N (Not hollow attraxia) that consists of Shiro and Rin's journeys in London . My favorite epilogue of the three routes (I really disliked Fate's epilogue except for the Saber part). Anyhow I'm anticipating all the fights very much for the movie. I think I'm going to replay HF again, but this time take a break before I start. Last time I grinded Fate, then UBW, and then HF in like 2.5-3 days. I was pretty exhausted and didn't enjoy it as much as I should have because of that I feel.
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2010-08-15, 08:51 | Link #2430 |
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It's not going to happen, because to do that would make UBW seem more 'canon', which would irritate Saber and (especially) Sakura fans no end. If you were going to do it, you'd at least have to deal with Sakura's situation somehow, in any case, because making the FSN sequel "Rin and Shirou run around London whilst Sakura is being slowly tortured to death" would not really come across very well from the viewpoint of a Sakura fan (or, indeed, anyone with a heart...).
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2010-08-15, 10:08 | Link #2431 | |
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I don't think that Nasu would be too worried about making one route more canon than the rest since it all takes place in a multiverse, and he's already stated that Arcuied's end is the true end of TSukihime. Anyway, I'm sure that Nasu will deal with Sakura's situation in such a case, so no need for Sakura fans to worry.
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2010-08-15, 10:23 | Link #2432 |
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Yeah, UBW Good would probably be the 'canon' ending for sequel purposes, if only because it's the only ending where Saber survives and she's head and shoulders above the rest of the cast in terms of popularity. No way they'd make a true sequel without her.
(Of course, that said, they could still go the route where none of the endings are canon and they branch off from one that wasn't in the game, so they could have Saber, Illya and worm-free Sakura at the same time.) Last edited by Moczo; 2010-08-15 at 10:38. |
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Yes. They can utilize a time skip and in that skip, they saved Sakura from Zouken, thus eliminating her problem...and satisfying Cherry Lover.
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2010-08-15, 10:57 | Link #2434 | ||
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But anyway, if they were going to do a 'true' sequel, it would indeed likely be after some other, happier, ending (perhaps a hypothetical HF Good ending where Ilya, Saber and Archer survived), because all of the endings have too many characters missing (in particular, Archer, but also at least two of Ilya, Rider and Saber) and any ending other than HF has the problem of how to deal with Sakura's situation. Quote:
However, this is totally moot. They won't do a 'true' FSN sequel, because they already have a sequel. It's called "Hollow Ataraxia". Tsukihime can easily have a 'true' sequel because all of the main characters are still there and there is a 'canon' ending which leads into one naturally (with Shiki looking for the blood fruit, or whatever it's called...). FSN doesn't have any natural sequel hooks (well, except for Sakura's situation, but I doubt he'd want to make a sequel based solely around that), the main idea of the plot of the original isn't repeatable (so the set-up would have to be totally different), the most popular pairing isn't possible and many of the characters are missing (no matter which end you pick). |
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2010-08-15, 11:04 | Link #2435 | ||
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Either way, if there was going to be a sequel, they would have to make one for each route. One reason I'd like a sequel is to see Shirou become Archer. Archer is from Fate, right?
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2010-08-15, 11:12 | Link #2436 |
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I don't think they ever say which ending, if any, Archer is from; if it's one of the three possible in the game, though, it does have to be Fate since we do know that he saved Illya in his Grail War. They have said that one of the first huge blows to his idealism was that he saved her during the war only to have her die a year later anyway, which is why Archer refuses to even attempt dealing with Berserker by just shanking Illya.
From the way he talks in UBW, it seems like he might come from a route where Shirou didn't get together with any of the heroines, given that Archer seems to think that Shirou being with Rin will be sufficient to stop him from making the choices that led him to becoming a Heroic Spirit. |
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We all know you love HF beyond belief, but the easiest route to do a sequel on is UBW (Good is easier than True, but both are easy). The only real change that needs to be done is Ilya being used as the grail like in Fate instead of Shinji, which doesn't truly change anything. Heck, it could give Shirou more motivation to crush Gilgamesh. Also, Archer would need some prana at the end to prevent his disappearance. Those two minor tweaks, which don't ultimately affect the story, are quite easy to accomplish comparatively. Quote:
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Well, and Rider, who is also pretty popular. Not to mention Archer.
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Also, you could get around this by having Sakura corrupt Saber and Archer/Shirou then uncorrupt her (if that's possible...). And, with Archer around Shirou would pick up on his own abilities, and thus become more awesome. Archer going to help Rin fight Sakura wouldn't be a problem, because he'd just trace Rule Breaker and thus save her. Quote:
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