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Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-03-25, 21:03

It doesn't appear that they bothered to fire the big rodent's coaxial 75mm (!) at all (though I'd have to look again, more closely). Then again, does anyone really remember that it's there when the 128mm is around?

Cosmic Eagle · 2013-03-25, 21:06

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Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Tank destroyer that has been historically difficult to detect + Dunkelgelb = Hetzing

Not in being undetected, since ambush is its role but more in failure to report an enemy unit. Use the radio if your Jagdpanther can't hit the enemy rather than wail ineffectively at it I mean...

Hooves · 2013-03-25, 21:18

*sighs* The wait for this episode is excruciating.

Ithekro · 2013-03-25, 21:22

Does anyone have a better count of the casualties caused to Black Forest Peak in this match?

Spoiler for My estimates::

Friday · 2013-03-25, 21:35

All I can say is...........

Roll on 2nd Season

Infinite Zenith · 2013-03-25, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Hooves

*sighs* The wait for this episode is excruciating.

A wait of this manner brings back memories

Panzerklein · 2013-03-25, 21:55

BFP has 6 Jagdpanzers at begin of battle, 2 were destroyed at hill, and has 4 JP IV when they coming to the city but after the Maus is destroyed, they short down 1 JP IV (without knowing reason, may be engine brokedown). When Tiger P block the road, only 2 JP IV present, where is the last JPIV? Maybe engine broke down or plot hole when the director remember wrong numbers of them.

Ithekro · 2013-03-25, 22:04

We did see one Jadgpanzer IV go after the Tiger (P) during the breakaways. Maybe they took it out before coming back? Especially if no one else went after the Tiger (P). Though that was probably the job of the large tank destroyers.

John117xCortana · 2013-03-25, 22:09

Finally the M3 got it's moment to shine! And they took out two tank destroyers that totally outclassed them!

gaiar31 · 2013-03-25, 22:40

Komatsu, Mikako !!!!!!

Ithekro · 2013-03-25, 22:47

These people are quick:

Ooarai vs. Maus bit to Yamato music and sound effects:

NicoNico

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20437351

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tomexe · 2013-03-26, 00:00

Awsome!!

For a 2nd season I want Ami Cho to be named Japan national team coach.
And then have her pick both the Anglerfish and Hippo crews from Oarai, Maho and Erika from KMM, Darjeeling and Pekoe from St. Gloriana, Kay and Naomi from Saunders, Katyusha and Nonna from Pravda.
Then they go to Europe and ultimately face Emi and her school- and their fleet of E-program tanks...
Saunders brings a Firefly, Gloriana unveils that they have a A45/Centurion 1, KMM brings Maho's Tiger H (Erika forced to be Maho's gunner-hah!), Pravda reveals they have an IS-3 they have been saving. Miho at first feeling undergunned brings Tiger P, then after it breaks down on them ships it back and has the PzKpfw IV sent back

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-03-26, 00:05

Images

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=34535611

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Endless Soul · 2013-03-26, 00:13

Waiting......waiting......waiting.......~exasperat ion~

arkhangelsk · 2013-03-26, 00:21

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Originally Posted by willx

Come on now! Amateurs that can drive tanks! Amateurs that can maintain tanks! There's such a thing as logical consistency my friend.

This is a problem I have with anime, TV shows, movies, heck any sort of literary fiction whatsoever. I absolutely hate it when people mess with logical consistency. If you tell me to suspend my disbelief in one way, almost no matter how absurd, I can live with it as long as you stay consistent. Stay consistent!

It's like people crafting a beautiful world with its own laws of physics, culture, technology and history -- and then having events occur that go contrary to the world-building. I find it jarring. Like nails on a chalkboard jarring.

You seem to be complaining a lot today, Willx, and mostly about elements that were always there in GuP. Are you sure you are not just unhappy Oarai won over KMM?

GuP is actually very consistent. Driving and maintaining go very well. As for gunnery, the show clearly subscribes to the theory that no matter what happens in theoretical computations and exercises, in battle, it is the "10:90 rule" (10% of the guys doing 90% of the kills), which does seem to have some historical justification (if everyone shot at the theoretical hit rates, we won't have many tanks left).

I was actually pleased that they held back from the usual trap of making the heroes uber shots - they were shooting better, but still with enough misses they are actually in-universe.

Even the tactics are consistent with a low-hit rate world. Remember in Ep5 when Miho tells her tanks to try to blow past the Shermans and Karina says "Are you serious?" Well, Karina, you'd have been right if this were a high hit rate world.

chupiler · 2013-03-26, 00:30

Spoiler for Ep 12 talk:

Myssa Rei · 2013-03-26, 00:38

Too bad it was an incomplete nod though. Needed paint rounds. For pretty colors.

Still, so much positive waves during the episode, man.

Also the upcoming World Cup is a dangling plot thread that MIGHT be taken up by Mizushima if a 2nd season is finally greenlit. Who knows, we might find Emi on the other side of the equation if the stars align. That would be a heck of a reunion, for sure!

whitecloud · 2013-03-26, 01:19

i dont know if this has been posted before...

an example WW2 of tank on tank where the anime seems to get inspiration from, but i dont recognize the tank....got it from the forum next door

and for you guys an comic strip of what happen before the "big Battle"

RX-78GP04G Gerbera · 2013-03-26, 01:24

The bigger one looks to be a Sherman with a smaller light tank or armored vehicle of some kind on top.

Sumeragi · 2013-03-26, 01:56

After watching the battle, I have to say it followed the logic of the GuP world pretty well. I did have my heart stopping a beat when a certain vehicle in Oxidrot met its end in a very brutal matter.

What I found most ironic: In the end, Miho proved herself to be a true Nishizumi, by following the creed of Nishizumi-ryu to its full extent. I cannot think of a more fitting way of things coming back to their original place.

2013-03-25, 21:22	Link #5404
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Does anyone have a better count of the casualties caused to Black Forest Peak in this match? Spoiler for My estimates:: Knowns by Ooarai tank that caused the loss of the tank: Panzer IV: 1 Jadgpanzer IV, 1 Tiger I, and 1 Maus (group effort, but struck killing blow) StuG III: 1 Jadgpanzer IV, and 1 Panther M3 Lee: 1 Ferdinand, and 1 Jadgtiger (after a fashion) Tiger (P) 1 Jadgpanzer IV and 1 Panther Other tanks taken out by unknown parties: 1 Panzer III (judging by where it was it was probably taken out by the Panzer IV or the Tiger (P)) Tanks not confimed "destroyed" but not present following the destruction of the Tiger (P) and Type 89: 2 Jadgpanzer IV This assumes that the three tanks chasing the Type 89 didn't make it back to the Tiger (P)'s position. If they did, than the Tiger (P) did a lot more than it appears. Losses to Black Forest Peak: 1 Panzer VIII "Maus" 1 Panzer VI "Tiger" I (flag) 1 Jadgtiger 1 Ferdinand 2 Panzer V "Panther" 3-5 Jadgpanzer IV 1 Panzer III Ooarai loses: Practically total: Panzer IV (flag) was barely fit to fight at the end) Lost to: Type 3: Tiger II Char B1: Maus StuG III: Maus Hetzer: Maus M3 Lee: Jadgtiger Type 89: either a Tiger II or a Panther Tiger (P): massed fire from a Tiger II, a Jadgpanther, some Panthers, and some Jadgpanzer IVs Panzer IV crippled...mostly self inflicted, but damaged by Tiger I. __________________ Last edited by Ithekro; 2013-03-25 at 21:39.

2013-03-25, 21:35	Link #5405
Friday Im shy too... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Invercargill Southland, New Zealand	All I can say is........... Roll on 2nd Season __________________ Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

2013-03-25, 21:55	Link #5407
Panzerklein In cash we trust! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Đế Quốc Đại Việt Thần Thánh Age: 37	BFP has 6 Jagdpanzers at begin of battle, 2 were destroyed at hill, and has 4 JP IV when they coming to the city but after the Maus is destroyed, they short down 1 JP IV (without knowing reason, may be engine brokedown). When Tiger P block the road, only 2 JP IV present, where is the last JPIV? Maybe engine broke down or plot hole when the director remember wrong numbers of them. __________________ War! War never changes

2013-03-25, 22:04	Link #5408
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	We did see one Jadgpanzer IV go after the Tiger (P) during the breakaways. Maybe they took it out before coming back? Especially if no one else went after the Tiger (P). Though that was probably the job of the large tank destroyers. __________________

2013-03-25, 22:47	Link #5411
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	These people are quick: Ooarai vs. Maus bit to Yamato music and sound effects: NicoNico http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20437351 Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? __________________

2013-03-25, 21:03	Link #5401
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	It doesn't appear that they bothered to fire the big rodent's coaxial 75mm (!) at all (though I'd have to look again, more closely). Then again, does anyone really remember that it's there when the 128mm is around?

2013-03-25, 22:09	Link #5409
John117xCortana Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	Finally the M3 got it's moment to shine! And they took out two tank destroyers that totally outclassed them!

2013-03-25, 22:40	Link #5410
gaiar31 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012	Komatsu, Mikako !!!!!!

2013-03-26, 00:00	Link #5412
tomexe Member Join Date: Feb 2013	Awsome!! For a 2nd season I want Ami Cho to be named Japan national team coach. And then have her pick both the Anglerfish and Hippo crews from Oarai, Maho and Erika from KMM, Darjeeling and Pekoe from St. Gloriana, Kay and Naomi from Saunders, Katyusha and Nonna from Pravda. Then they go to Europe and ultimately face Emi and her school- and their fleet of E-program tanks... Saunders brings a Firefly, Gloriana unveils that they have a A45/Centurion 1, KMM brings Maho's Tiger H (Erika forced to be Maho's gunner-hah!), Pravda reveals they have an IS-3 they have been saving. Miho at first feeling undergunned brings Tiger P, then after it breaks down on them ships it back and has the PzKpfw IV sent back

2013-03-26, 00:05	Link #5413
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	Images http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=34535611 Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

2013-03-26, 00:13	Link #5414
Endless Soul Megane girl fan Join Date: May 2011 Location: Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. Age: 55	Waiting......waiting......waiting.......~exasperat ion~ __________________ Signature by ganbaru

2013-03-26, 00:30	Link #5416
chupiler Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: California	Spoiler for Ep 12 talk: I love how all teams had their time in the spotlight this match, but I really must say the automobile club has mad specs! It's hard to believe this was their first match! AND they got all the tanks back in moving condition overnight, in time for the victory parade. Kelly's Heroes was actually foreshadowing this battle, eh?

2013-03-26, 00:38	Link #5417
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Too bad it was an incomplete nod though. Needed paint rounds. For pretty colors. Still, so much positive waves during the episode, man. Also the upcoming World Cup is a dangling plot thread that MIGHT be taken up by Mizushima if a 2nd season is finally greenlit. Who knows, we might find Emi on the other side of the equation if the stars align. That would be a heck of a reunion, for sure! __________________ Last edited by Myssa Rei; 2013-03-26 at 00:53.

2013-03-26, 01:19	Link #5418
whitecloud Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	i dont know if this has been posted before... an example WW2 of tank on tank where the anime seems to get inspiration from, but i dont recognize the tank....got it from the forum next door and for you guys an comic strip of what happen before the "big Battle"

2013-03-26, 01:24	Link #5419
RX-78GP04G Gerbera Whoosh! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Albany Age: 38	reply The bigger one looks to be a Sherman with a smaller light tank or armored vehicle of some kind on top. __________________ "I'll show you that a superior mobile suit has its limits when it goes up against a superior pilot!" - Char Aznable, The Red Comet "Come on! I don't feel like losing!" - Johnny Ridden, The Crimson Lightning "Hatred is the root of all war! That's common sense, boy!" - Anavel Gato, The Nightmare of Solomon

2013-03-26, 01:56	Link #5420
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	After watching the battle, I have to say it followed the logic of the GuP world pretty well. I did have my heart stopping a beat when a certain vehicle in Oxidrot met its end in a very brutal matter. What I found most ironic: In the end, Miho proved herself to be a true Nishizumi, by following the creed of Nishizumi-ryu to its full extent. I cannot think of a more fitting way of things coming back to their original place.