2013-03-31, 19:11 | Link #3162 |
Manus ad Ferrum
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And I think they will never give a proper explanation about it. But right now is still an inconsistency, like I still see it with the Barrier Jackets in the AMF of the Cradle. As a matter of fact I have been wondering something.
Won’t this tech, AMF or the Dividers be lethal to beings like the Wolkenritter. Think about it. We see in A’s that once they lose their Linker Cores their bodies vanish without trace. So when we deal with things that either prevent magic linking or break it, and the Wolkenritter are magic creations, should they disappear? Their bodies aren’t real but just a construct that acts like a real body, however cut the energy and they become dust, something real people don’t suffer. So really this should make them lose their physical form. Then Vita says they are “more human” but still their bodies don’t change, so yeah, there is that but still doesn’t explain what they are or how this tech affects them.
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2013-03-31, 20:46 | Link #3165 | |
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It also suggests that when Signum and Agito wiped out those drones with fire, the fire was unaffected by the AMF. Creating the flames is magic, but the fire was ignited outside of the field. Vita's Swallow Flier would work similarly. |
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2013-03-31, 21:10 | Link #3167 | |
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To disprove the idea that magically created flames count as "physical" as Vita's steel spheres, those flames would need to be "de-linked" just like purely magical constructs such as Divine Shooter or Panzerschild. |
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2013-03-31, 21:22 | Link #3168 |
The Flame Crussader
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Yeah, if i remeber correctly someone proposed the theory about Fire MCA works by using mana as fuel for the flames and thus being extinguished the moment Eclipse severed the link of the mana fueling the fire.
In that sense AMF should work something similar over Fire MCA isn't?
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2013-04-01, 05:54 | Link #3173 |
Professor Lech
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I think its how they affect magic that spells the difference between AMF and the Divider.
From my observation. AMF affects magic in a slow and gradual manner, slowly severing magical bonds or whatnot. This is why an AMF shockwave easily dispels magic as the effect is instantaneous, but a normal AMF does not. Stocking magic spells over another is shown as an effective way to deal with a normal AMF (e.g Teana's Variable barrel), or using more magic than the AMF can dispel is also a good way (like how Nanoha defeated Dieci by making her Excelion Buster stronger, to compensate for the AMF, which her opponent is unaffected). Dividers on the other hand, dispel magic, no matter how powerful, instantaneously, but (since I'm not really sure, wasm't really paying attention to that part in Force) only if it touches the "infected." or the weapon itself. Thus Cypha easily curbstomps Signum because she is basically magic immune, so any magically enhanced attack (like Signum's fire slash) would instantly be nullified, leaving only a sword strike (which proves to be somewhat effective until they react and develop hierro). But I think there is a limit to the amount of magic they can nullify, since Hayate scared the shit out of the Hucks when she was casting Heimdall to bring the Esquad down as they cannot fully dispel a spell so large. If not for (sexy) Curren, they would've been screwed. But then again, nobody is as powerful as Hayate. So there. ^_^ |
2013-04-01, 06:14 | Link #3174 | |
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That wouldn't explain why Signum's flames in the second fight suddenly did work though. 'tis a bit of a plothole, that. Especially since they did specify elemental attacks circumvent AMF in the StrikerS manga by virtue of being elements rather than magic. |
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2013-04-01, 09:31 | Link #3175 | |
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2013-04-01, 10:08 | Link #3176 | |
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2013-04-01, 10:38 | Link #3177 |
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AMF weakens magic. Eclipse kills it. Think of a campfire... AMF would be a light rain. The fire can possibly keep going depending on strength, but difficult. Eclipse is hitting the fire with a concentrated extinguisher(deprives fire of oxygen). Thus, Signum can keep a fire going in AMF. She can't in Eclipse.
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2013-04-01, 11:53 | Link #3178 | |
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2013-04-01, 16:05 | Link #3180 |
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From a normal human standpoint is also quite impressive to be able to survive being cross sliced in the front torso, impalled, falling from several feet to the ground and bleed from all of those wounds for a good couple of hours till medical help comes.
Oh, and don't forget being able to recover from all of that to near athletic condition within barely more than two months. Not as impressive as what they did in the past but still far beyond human resistance.
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