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I know I said this last time and I swear to god I am going into depth but I just have to say this or die. In both the TV series and OVA's Aquarion's power actually destroyed the world and it required both Apollo and Sylvia to sacrifice their lives to fix things. Remember Sirus was actually Celiane so she still sacrificed her life in the end... Quote:
In the end..."12,000 years later" Sylvia said "Apollo isn't here" and Pierre said "Apollo?" because she was on her way to meet "Apollo" for the first time. She shouldn't have known his name, because she should have been looking for Apollionus. So I think it's safe to assume that they did procreate in that timeline and the current incarnations come from them and not Apollionus and Celiane. Which would explain the movie being about Sylvia and Apollo instead of Celiane and Apollonius Oh yeah, Jun hacked the system in the series. Just like with Evol only higher-ups and the descendants of Celiane and Apollonius knew of the legend. It wasn't common knowledge (someone said that in a reply) OH! I almost forgot!!! Cayenne is Reika not Sirius be back a little later.... Last edited by Lord of Pandemonium; 2012-01-13 at 20:04. |
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2012-01-14, 01:54
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Something like that. Only it began differently, because Sylvia already knew of Apollo and in the series she didn't. It was an alternate timeline that was changed, from the TV series version. Because she had already met Apollo, her actions would change. Because she spent a better part of the TV series denying that was Apollonious. I am actually typing a post right now I just happened to see this comment in the preview. I was just starting to wonder if posting all these screenshots (thumbnails) was worth my time but I see it is now |
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2012-01-14, 04:50
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This is Episode 2 of the TV series.      Apollo and Sirius had the same type of relationship. They were competitive and bickered a lot.           Sylvia and Celiane was the same way        What does this have to do with their past selves? Well I will tell you. Before I do, I want to tell you that something you said made me think differently than I did when I posted yesterday. I realized that you're absolutely right when you said this.. Quote:
Because their pasts feelings and memories did govern they way they acted. Celiane was split in two, because she loved Apollo but she also resented her inability to fight along side Apolloinous against Touma. This feeling is something that governed Sirius's actions and his feelings. As Sirus he said-- So the past did effect their personalities and that is one of the reasons I believe that Amata isn't Apollo or Apollionus at all. He's more like Sylvia/Celiane"You all dont understand the feeling of living in shame"  In a flashback-Sirius' flashback as Celiane he/she said "It's as if to say that I can't even come close to those two"        Sylvia, also lamented over her inability to protect "Apollo" in both the series and the ova. In the OVA she was trying to protect the forests that Apollo held dear, but she failed to do so.    In Episode 7 of the TV Series While trying to reach out to her brother because she failed to protect "him" 12,000 years ago. She tries do the same only she hit Apollo   In that same episode... When Touma exposes the darkness of their hearts, Sirus hallucinates that his parents are condemning him for being a failure, because he's not the solar wing. He cries out because he can't compare to the solar wing and he begins to fight with himself only part of him took on the form of Apollo      His feelings of inadequacies are a lot like Celiane and Sylvia. He wants to protect Mikono but he didn't truly believe that he could. He sounds a lot like Sylvia . Like Sylvia, he was ashamed of his powers and hid them for fear of discovery, and hatred because of them Compare the two...   The TV series...  --and the ova    Makes light of the fact that both Sylvia and Sirius despised their feathers because they weren't the same as other humans. They feared they'd lose everything because of it. Even their friends and loved ones Amata says the same thing        Incidentally during the mind games Touma played with them in Episode 7 Sylvia's torment was a lot like Amata's flashback She's chasing after Sirius because he's "leaving her"        Because there is no rule that says that both halves of Celiane/ Sylvia have to be reborn at the same time. Sirius was a lot older than Sylvia. Nor is there any ironclad rule that says that her other half, has to be related to her. Ah that made me think of something else you said... Quote:
Female Maze (Mei Ikaruga) was in love with her brother Male Maze (Akira Ikaruga) in the real world. When they were transported to another world they shared one body. Maze was female during the daytime and Male at night. They were actually one being that was born in two bodies so the bad guys wouldn't take them out, before they were able to correct an imbalance of power in that world. Their taboo love, the fatuous desire was actually caused by the desire to be "One". Their souls wanted to "rejoin" . Sylvia's brother complex was much the same thing. She had a bro-complex because her soul recognized his as being her other half and this is why she was so fixated on "uniting" with Sirius and jealous of Reika. The same could apply to Mikono and Amata. If his soul recognized his other half then he would have a desire to "be with her" and to "protect her" (self preservation) Out of the both of them, one them has some kind of connection with Sylvia "Slyvie" Quote:
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 Or at least that's what I believe and it's not just because he's my fave so far. Nor is it because I am leaning more towards a Kagura/Mikono pairing and it's not based on me feeling like Amata is to Aquarion what Suou was to Darker Than Black's Second season A goddamn usurper and I feel like Apollo has just been replaced by someone who's nowhere near as bad ass...I actually have very good reason for thinking this way  --but I have to step away for a little while and I'm scared firefox will crash and I lose what I already wrote so I am gonna save it and come back to it because I am nowhere finished stop here for now TO BE CONT.... Quote:
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2012-01-14, 05:50
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I posted on Casuka abductor's design step by step. And it's all in english, just for you!
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2012-01-14, 06:00
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The first thing that strikes me is that work on this started 3 years ago  and it seems the project hadn't been already greenlit,do you sometimes do work on projects that never see the light of day?
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2012-01-14, 06:13
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2012-01-14, 06:25
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EVOL starts airing on Skyperfect TV in Japan tomorrow evening...
So now I am going through their run through of the first TV series, the OVAs and the movie as we speak. I am actually pretty amazed how in both Aquarion and Evangelion, they really changed the main male character's personality so much in the "other" version. I just love watching it all in one go. Best way to spend my weekend
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2012-01-14, 06:55
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About the antenna, I can see that your design was meant to be very robotic and functional and therefore something that explicitly shows which direction the mecha is facing should have been unnecessary, but I think Kawamori's idea works better. With the antenna the abductor has somehow a reason to turn its head to show it found a target, which makes it appear like a systematic predator. It's just mimicking a human focusing his gaze, but that adds some personality to the mecha. |
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2012-01-14, 08:22
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Since I came to Japan almost every projects I worked on have been broadcasted. But it is true that you can spend a lot of time on projects without been rewarded by the famous green light. The thing is, by working as inhouse designer at Satelight, all the work I'm been asked cost them money. So producers wait to have enough investors on board before starting even early preproduction. They don't take the risk of asking too much artwork before that. We usually just do 4 or 5 illustrations for helping pitching the project to partners.
About the pattern design. The double wing symbol is the mark of the "bad guys". It was designed separately and is used on every other ennemy mecha or sometimes on background setting. Appart from that the white marking was totally my idea. It gives an aggressive, slightly tribal touch to the robot. |
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2012-01-14, 11:18
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2012-01-14, 13:45
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I think Zessica is there to make you think she's Ceiliane but she's not.    Her mannerisms and her outfit is reminiscent of Celiane and that was deliberate Apollo has been split in two I will show you when I finish. I also want to go into the reason why I think they separated the sexes in Aquaria BUT first...  ... I need a little Snoo-Snoo and I am going to watch EVOL 1&2 with my boyfriend. He's a HUGE mecha fan, although he's a ROBOTECH fanboy...I keep telling him it's a Frankenstein but he won't hear of it But he loves Mecha like I do so for that I'm gratefulI will be back! Is there anyone here that is wiling to make a gif avatar of Kagura for avatar and profile and one for signature or a gif avatar and sig of some very nice renders that I happen to have of Kagura?  ...Please
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2012-01-14, 21:29
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I have this bad feeling that I'm really going to hate tomorrow's episode. Not in the sense that it'll be badly written, but in that it'll have things that will really piss me off as a viewer; the leaders of the campus are all about "now romantic relationships" and gender seperation, and then you have Cayenne the extreme jackass, and I have the uigly feeling that all of this is going to come down on Amata and Mikono very hard and all at once next episode with plenty of "Forget it chump; no contact with women!" and "Everything bad that happened is your fault!"
 At least for Mikono there aren't any particularly violent or jackass chartacters on the girls' side (though there is MIX who is clearly anti-male) and they probably won't blame her for anything, but that's not going to help Amata much. And you can bet that they're going to at least want to talk or see each other or something simple, but of course they're going to get a big fat "NO GIRLS/NO BOYS!" >.>PLEASE abolish this segregation thing early, Kawamori. >.>
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2012-01-14, 23:24
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Maybe it's because I LOVE Vandread. The gender thing doesn't bother me, I actually like seeing the characters interact with the opposite genders after separation and it makes sense. They need to be conflicted or else there should be no problems uniting. I am working on my post now, but I just couldn't help but say that.
In the series, if they had any emotional issues or they fought with the crew members, they couldn't unite. It's 12,000 Years later, by now they should have understood what was needed. If Aquarion has become something that must be hidden away, and they're all led to believe that a mixed union is impure. It would keep them from uniting at the times the plot needed Aquarion to fail... I am going expound on it in my post that has screenies. It's better if I can show and tell you at the same time. I just couldn't help but say that because it seems like the gender issues, are a real issue with the fans Does anyone know what time and channel this will air. I want to stream it but I don't know when to stream it? Is that allowed? I am not going to get in trouble for that right? |
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2012-01-15, 08:12
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I just finished watching the interview with the creator, and he just said that the whole separation of the sexes was needed to make sure the story had enough love romance. Otherwise its just too much mecha fighting and not enough to develop the characters. But too much and over doing it is a little..hmm.... And from what I knwo from the previous series, they do tend to over do it a bit, when compared to other anime like evangelion. Though I have to agree that since the whole "I hate you because we were enemies in the past life" stuff has already been done in the first Aquarion, and this plot twist is what makes it different, along with mikono being almost the opposite of Sylvia. |
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2012-01-15, 09:16
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! It really makes no sense! However, upon 2nd inspection, I see it could be possible that only a select few favor the separation of the genders(like when the ponytail girl was clapping in the church, the other girls looked displeased).
