Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[whsie]

Originally Posted by Jirachier

that doesn't make any sense, decomposition magic decomposes it, it doesn't hide anything so unless you want him to decompose his own body and die he's not gonna use it on himself.

Not decompose himself, but to cast a coating of the decomposition magic around his head that acts as a barrier. In theory, anything that touches his head then would be decomposed including bullets.

The idea came from volume 7 or volume 6 (web 3) when Tatsuya coated a layer of decomposition magic on his hand, "caught" the bullets, and then pierced the soldier's body (prompting Miyuki to tell Tats to not be that bloody).

[Jirachier]

Originally Posted by whsie

Not decompose himself, but to cast a coating of the decomposition magic around his head that acts as a barrier. In theory, anything that touches his head then would be decomposed including bullets.

The idea came from volume 7 or volume 6 (web 3) when Tatsuya coated a layer of decomposition magic on his hand, "caught" the bullets, and then pierced the soldier's body (prompting Miyuki to tell Tats to not be that bloody).

euh, are you sure he coated his hand with decomposition magic and not just used his hand as a medium to use mist dispersion on a localized area ?
Because as far as I understand Mist Dispersion can't be used unless you know the property of the target and so coating his hand with decomposition in a way that regardless of what he touches it gets decomposed makes no sense.

[FRS]

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

They really need to know about his ability though and a bunch of dedicated assassination. For example, since people NORMALLY died after getting shot through their heart or loss of blood, people would definitely assume that Tatsuya is already dead with that. Of course we know that he's going to survive that, and by the time those bunch of morons that tried to kill him in conventional ways realized that... well, they're already dead .

It's a good thing that his restoration ability is a secret People that'll try to kill him wouldn't plan a specific way to destroy him since they thought he's just a normal human.

Lina know of it after the Vampire Arc *shrug*.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by nacer666

More v9 pics here: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2201941555

Oh wow. Anyone left who complained that Lina isn't looking as pretty as the light novel described? I think these picture sets should dissolve any lingering doubts. I generally don't even like blondes, but I'm an eyes fan, and Lina is pretty stunning there ^_^

One of the reasons why I'm having a particular soft spot for her is that in the Web Arc summaries Lina came across as particularly human. She doesn't have Tatsuya's iron self-control or Miyuki's impeccable Yamato Nadeshiko habitus, instead she shows her emotions openly, and she is affected by the drain her nasty real-life job is placing on her. She isn't as guarded-perfect as the rest, but neither is she overexcited like Erika. A nice mix I'm looking forward to very much!

[mumalkatar]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Oh wow. Anyone left who complained that Lina isn't looking as pretty as the light novel described? I think these picture sets should dissolve any lingering doubts. I generally don't even like blondes, but I'm an eyes fan, and Lina is pretty stunning there ^_^

One of the reasons why I'm having a particular soft spot for her is that in the Web Arc summaries Lina came across as particularly human. She doesn't have Tatsuya's iron self-control or Miyuki's impeccable Yamato Nadeshiko habitus, instead she shows her emotions openly, and she is affected by the drain her nasty real-life job is placing on her. She isn't as guarded-perfect as the rest, but neither is she overexcited like Erika. A nice mix I'm looking forward to very much!

I agree here. when i first see the cover that show Lina, my impression is she is a cool person, not as much as Tatsuya, but more like Rin. but after seeing the illustration, my impression changed pretty drastic. with her drill twin-tails and all.
I can't describe more of her character and personality since i haven't read the web or vol 9.

[Mars Mode]

Originally Posted by kagato3

The first is that the siblings father isn't trying to control Tatsuya but is in fact attempting to give Tatsuya freedom under the mistaken impression that he is being forced to be a Guardian to his sister against his will.

Wrong, How easy would it be, if I could only say this and shut up.

Youre mistaken in one single fact, Tatsuya has freedom, he is not chained as a Guardian, in fact every single person wants him to stop being a guardian.

Why is this???

His status as a Guardian gives him an excuse to not do anything he doesnt wish to do. And be besides the person he wants to be.

Being a Guardian gives him duties, protect Miyuki. And nothing else is above this.

While he is not a Yotsuba he is under them, so Maya has authority over him. But being the Guardian of Miyuki he can use this to excuse himself of other jobs the clan may try to make him do.

When he was given the order to stop being a Guardian (TL or not this is a fact), the reason he could refuse that order is because only Miyuki has the right to fire him. And Maya tried to impose her will through force (although even this was even a test to measure his level of threat), Had he failed she would stop him from being her guardian and appointed someone else.

You talk like Tatsuya doesnt want to be the Guardian of Miyuki, when is exactly what he wants. He enjoys to some degree his live in High School and Genius or not he wants to be there. Miyuki has offered him the possibility of going to the university which he flatly refused and he has even included in his plans his life in High School.

He doesnt want to, nor does he need his father. His father is jealous of him, why because even under the Yotsuba he has gained his own freedom. Through his accomplishments, you say money, how is he not going to have money when he registered his creations under his alias, and only Miyuki has authority over him. Do you think Miyuki wouldnt raise this issue to her own family if he wouldnt receive the money he rightfully gained.

There are two reasons why he has the limited amount of freedom to do what he wants:

1.- He is the Guardian of Miyuki
2.- He is Tatsuya(How Ironic)(Under his two alias he has gained an amount of influence not easily oevrshadowed by anyone)

Miyuki and him has formed a simbyotic relationship. Tatsuya protects her from anything, and Miyuki protects him from the Yotsuba.

And while Miyuki is a little balistic when it concerns his brother, she is not dumb, you talk like Miyuki misinterprets things, but Miyuki is socially adept and clever, specially when it regards his brother, she never loses her composure when she is in front of those whom are superior to her, and have the power to harm her brother. When she is in front of those whom she and her brother not even consider a threat, then she says how does this insect dare to insult my brother. Because only the insects insult Tatsuya.

I like Lina, she is cute, I like her expressions. Seeing her beside Miyuki is a sight for sore eyes.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by babbo3d

Mahouka isn't a battle light novel. While that is part of the story it isn't everything, sometimes is like asking who would win in a fight between a person with a gun or machine gun you can speculate all you want but at the end of the day is the one that is alive that won the fight.

When you say "gun", do you mean this kind of gun:NTW20

And "the fight" is on open plain field with no glass , 1000 metters away from each others. I will place my bet on the "gun" guy.

[kagato3]

Mars, you have completely missed the theory's point. My point is I believe Miyuki, Tatsuya, and their father are completely misunderstanding each others motives. Their father thinks Tatsuya is being forced to do what he is. Tatsuya thinks his father just wants him as a tool, like he sees all of the other researchers like his step mother. And Miyuki is mainly pissed because she sees her father as trying to take her brother away from her

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Since you feel my theories are unfounded let me go ahead and state them clearly before I start to go in to my reasoning behind them.

The first is that the siblings father isn't trying to control Tatsuya but is in fact attempting to give Tatsuya freedom under the mistaken impression that he is being forced to be a Guardian to his sister against his will.

The Second is about Miya and Maya That I'm going to hold off on until more has been translated.

Spoiler for Long wall of text:

OK lets start by sorting fact from opinion
I'll use red for Tatsuya
blue for Miyuki
for the 3rd person omniscient narrator

Note:
His father is avoiding going through the Yotsuba channels to get him to leave his Guardian duties.
He has enough free time with access to labs to develop things such as loop casting.


All of this is purely Miyuki's opinion and we are new show why she thinks this way, but as the story goes along we do see that she will over react to even the slightest perceived slight to her brother up to when her friends suggested he use his power to help people not knowing the cost she barely was able to contain her rage. Until we have a clearer reason why she thinks he was belittling him this is dubious evidence at best. Hell, I could see her reacting this way to her father calling Tatsuya out as a lapdog for the Yotsuba.



Ok, it is flat out stated that Tatsuya's father recruited them, and the head of these "surplus" engineers and techs is stated to be much more capable then Tatsuya, so of course they are trash? Why does the 3rd Division even exist as It seems the silver series was one of their first CAD lines? You don't find it highly questionable that the company starts doing CAD research around the same time Tatsuya expressed what Miyuki sees as his first interest in anything? Even if the greed angle is true Tatsuya's opinion that he is only seen as merely a piece of recovery equipment for research samples, is nearly idiotic. While that might have been the stated reason he was there it looks like he had a lot of free time to do what he wanted with things that interested him.


Tatsuya has made a huge amount of money as Taurus Silver. Kinda odd that he has access to it if they were trying to control him, given most of it would have been made when he was under age.

Now lets talk about how you jumper over his stepmother for suggesting he drop out of high school. lets look at the facts. Tatsuya has demonstrated a educational level far above that of a high school student. I would say he has displayed a level above many Grad students. So yes from the point of view of a researcher who Tatsuya completely out classes him going to high school is him just playing around, just as say a high school student going to kindergarten.

To be honest, i'm kinda feed up to debate on this seemingly obvious fact .
But i do appreciate your politeness, therefore i will reply this one last time.

Spoiler for let get this over with:

1st point

Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei:Volume 1 Chapter 2

"I ignored Father’s wish of continuing to help with company work and entered high school. I didn’t expect any congratulations at all. That much of Father’s nature at least you should understand right?"

"For my own parent to act so pathetically childish, it’s infuriating. In the first place if he wanted to separate me from Onii-sama, he should notify me and then Aunt first, but he doesn’t even have the courage for that.

In any case, when will they stop thinking they can use Onii-sama however they please?

Is it not to be expected that a 15 year-old would enter senior high?"

...

Miyuki does not know the full truth of Tatsuya’s involvement with the Magical Engineer equipment maker, ‘Four Leaves Technology’, where their father serves as the developmental section chief.

He had made up many things in his spare time, so misinforming her into believing he had a reasonable job was a simple task.

If she knew that in truth he was merely used as a piece of recovery equipment for research samples, it was very possible that she could have paralyzed the entire transport system.

All i see is that he is a coward. It is hinted many time he is a puny man in volumne 8 (the already translated one.)
He tries to use Tatsuya for his personal gain but his personal gain is collides with Yotsuba's benefit and he has no reasonable excuses to back up (like Kazama) therefore he doesn't dare to contact Maya.

And he clearly states that all good things he talks about his father is a twisted truth (call it "lie" if you like) in all consideration for his sister.

2nd point

Now she understood that such worries were meaningless.

Her elder brother, that person was special.

The people of the world call her a genius.

That was the praise that they gave to special individuals, people that were different from themselves.

——In fact, they understood nothing at all.

The truly impressive, special, bona fide genius, should be her elder brother.

That person existed in a different dimension.

They could not even comprehend that.

For those that hide their personal jealousy to flatter others, they probably couldn't understand.

True talent that towers over lesser mortals, that draws a terror that transcends jealousy.

Not awe, but terror.

The man who by all rights would be the father of these two siblings crumpled before that terror. And in the face of that terror, he belittled and abused his own son. All this she was aware of.

Her elder brother believed that she remained ignorant.

Thus, she pretended not to know.

Father —— that man to this day still sought to belittle her elder brother's talent, to give him a false sense of defeatism, seeking to pinion the wings of his spirit and ambition. All this she knows.

How comical.

He originally sought to imprison her elder brother, only to find himself crushed by the fact that his son's talent far exceeded his own.

That son obtained the "resources" he needed to barter for his freedom.

Their father could only watch that one last binding, and was forced to let go.

The only thing that man could do was adopt that phony title, and collect the hollow praises of the masses.

When you totally ignore this fact, what else can i say to you? This is why i feel fed up.
You say Tatsuya is bad at picking up good will? Ok, fine, i will talk bout this latter. But, Miyuki is totally mentally normal and is very good at perceive people's intention.

You thinks she becomes dumb and over-reacting like a psycho, ignoring every single fact when it comes to her brother. Do i take that right?
If she is so dumb that she can only look at the surface of the problem.
Then she wouldn't dislike her father.
Yeah, it actually opposites.

Because how many times does her brother sugar-coat/misinforming for her father?(even the quotation you give has one). If she is so bro-con that she starts to lose her wit, then she will thinks her father is actually very kind to her brother according to what Tatsuya said and won't even thinks of the opposite because hey, if she is such an blindly over bro-con, his every words is the truth.
But she is not, despite all Tatsuya's lies to make her happy. She knows the truth. That is how creditable her opinion is.

And even the way you view Miyuki is kinda extreme.
Call her over-sensitive as much as you like, Erkia, Mizuki, Masaki, Geogre, are not even considered "bad guys" in Miyuki's eye where the first 2 is close to him(can perceived as trying to make use of him, like Sayaka), while the latter half openly express their opposition to Tatsuya. (i even start it since Lina's part haven't been translated yet.)
Honestly, i see her better than a lot of characters and can relate to anyone in real life. (but let not dwell in this.)
And even Tatsuya. Yes, he is good at perceive good will. But you know he is good at picking up hostile. What does it mean?
In his eye, there are 2 types: hostile and non-hostile. Non-hostile consists of friendly and neutrals.
If his father has good will and Tatsuya can't perceive it, at least, he is on non-hostile list.
But he is on black list, that means he does have ill intent.

3rd point, *sigh*
It's so natural to me so it's kinda hard to explain this.

"Not so, everyone here was recruited by our father, so they hardly answer to me......"

I think the word "hired" is better than "recruited". Don't know why it hasn't been edited.
It can be rephrased that they are his father's employee, not his employee. They are only collage so they are no need for them to answer to him. They should answer to their boss instead.
And like i said before, it's like a school. There are good worker, there are bad workers, there are fired workers(like kicked out of school students). And there is always a selection(bad one kicked out, recruit the better.)
And the fact they were considered "surplus", no matter what you perceive, means they are not needed and they are viewed the worst (and is about to be fired).
Do you really think someone is considered "surplus" when they are the best? Or about to get fired for being the best?I think that is only happen when you are the worst.

That brings to your next argument.
"and the head of these "surplus" engineers and techs is stated to be much more capable then Tatsuya, so of course they are trash? "
Yes, right now he is considered the best(not really but it's just an expression). But his talent is not recognized until Tatsuya takes him under his wings.
Before that, he was considered "surplus".
And i don't believe someone as stupid, coward, spineless, bad at everything including magic, management, technical developing like Tatsuya's boss can see Tarus's true value.(i mean if he could, then Tarus wouldn't be considered "surplus" already.)
There are tons of works(films, mangas, ...) with similar situation but about teacher and students. Students are considered delinquents by everyone in the school, bad students get recognition and have deep respect for the homeroom teacher.
To sum up:What i talk before about "trash" and stuff, is not about how much value these workers really have but how did other people viewed them in the past.
(and i kinda self-insert in the boss shoe.)

And last, the argument about Tatsuya income is very weak, both for my thesis or yours. Since there is much unknown.
For example, how many percentage of the profit he makes for the company turn into his salary. You can't say 0.5% of his "labour power" is a good deal.
Just because his income is high in number doesn't mean he is well-payed. At best, his high income can only indicate that his work has a lot of value.(at least as value as his salary if maximum 100% of his labour power is paid.)
Or if he initially doesn't pay for him and because of Tatsuya's success, his fame, and his collage's protest, he has to pay him money. Or paying money is just a pretext/ a farce to trick everyone else not to think he actually tries to imprision his son in order to save his public image. We don't know.

And about my question. I'm not referring something as narrow and specific as going to high school. I am talking about not letting him does his human right by preventing him learning.
He is a genius, yes. So what? He doesn't need to train or learn?
Precisely because he has potential, we have to invest in him by letting get educated so that "supposed to be"/potential can converted into "to be"/results.
Does Einstein stop learning because he is the smartest? no, he learned all his life.
And this douche bag makes him stop learning when he is 15. Not because of his family is poor, not because of Tatsuya is dumb, not because of any out-of-hand matter.
High school doesn't have anything for him to learn from. So how about university?
How about saying: "son, you are awesome. So let skip high-school and go to the university. Don't worry about paper matters or Miyuki. I got lots of money to make Miyuki and you accepted into the university. If that's not enough, i will beg Yotsuba to use their influence. You have a lot of potential, become better for me."
Insead of that, we got: " stop studying you SOB. You have to work your ass off for my money so you don't have a chance to get even better than me. Oh you are 15? So what? i don't have the money even though i got lots of money from company which you "carry" (you know like "carry" in LoL or Dota, actually in e-sport general.) or Yotsuba for being their dog."

And this is something i can totally related to my outer grandfather (my mother's dad.)
My mother is one of the only 2 student in the whole city who doesn't have to take university entrance exams because of her outstanding GPA. And do you know what he says?
"you are a girl so learning means nothing. It is a waste of money. Stay at home and take care of the cow."
And do you know how he not waste money? He pays it for his freaking lovers.
He value his daughter learning less than looking cool in front of some.... women.

And here,

Spoiler for volume 3 chapter2:

After the siblings said their goodbyes to Ushiyama and left the research labs, they encountered the people they least wanted to meet at the corridor leading to the threshold of the main area.

"Long time no see, Miyuki Ojou-sama."

As the three family members silently stared at one another, the first to speak was actually the fourth person present. This man was known to Tatsuya and Miyuki, but the emphasis was on "known" and not "close".

"It's been awhile, Aoki-san. I would like to say long time no see as well, but I'm not the only person present.

Otou-sama, you look well, thank you for your phone call last time, but I think that occasionally greeting your own son isn't grounds for divine retribution, is it?"

The smooth and lovable voice was tinged with barbs, but her opponent's skin and defenses were proof against the rose's thorns.

"Ojou-sama, forgive this one's impertinence, but this Aoki serves as the butler and financial manager for the Yotsuba Family. Your request for me to greet a paltry attendant is against our house rules."

"He is my Onii-sama."

Miyuki was striving to maintain her calm tone, but Tatsuya was very clear that she was reaching her breaking point.

"Again, forgive this one's impertinence, everyone in the house earnestly wishes for Ojou-sama to inherit the Yotsuba Family. He's only Ojou-sama's guardian, and thus stands on an entirely different level than your own."

"Hold, Aoki-san, I understand that interjecting here is considered boorish, but choose your words carefully."

Just as Miyuki was about to breakdown and scream, Tatsuya coldly overrode his sister's words.

His voice was chilling to the extreme.

Even such contempt found no purchase on Tatsuya's will.

Tatsuya's heart was "forged" this way.

Rather than affronted, Tatsuya was more concerned that Miyuki would hurt herself being enraged on his behalf.

"It doesn't matter. Although you are a mere attendant, you are still Miya-sama's son, so I am forced to overlook this breach of decorum."

So Tatsuya had no time to deal with his opponent's haughty attitude.

"Earlier, you claimed that all who serve the Yotsuba Family wish for Miyuki to be the next head of the Yotsuba Family. I do believe this is an unfair charge to the other candidates, correct?"

In order to avoid letting Miyuki be subjected to the negativity projected towards him any longer, Tatsuya must continuously press the attack, forcing the opponent to yield without allowing Miyuki to interject in any way.

"I believe our aunt has not selected a successor, unless you are telling me that you are privy to our aunt's decision?"

The shrewd and capable gentleman in the prime of his years that looked more like a lawyer than a butler was stunned into silence by the sixteen year old youth's inquiry.

"If her will is decided, then I need to begin preparations for Miyuki immediately. This is an excellent opportunity today, so I would be most indebted to you if you can verify this."

Tatsuya's voice was perfectly even, without a single rise or pitch in his volume.

"......Maya-sama has not made a decision."

Aoki answered with a suffering expression on his face.

Tatsuya intentionally widened his eyes to express his amazement.

"This is astounding! The fourth butler of the Yotsuba Family actually passed on his personal wishes in the guise of the family directive towards the candidates for succession? If so, who here is the one who violated the house rules?"

Tatsuya pretended to sigh as Aoki glared furiously at him, his face completely red. Tatsuya judged that Aoki's position was now untenable, so he prepared to depart with a victorious message.

Unfortunately, that judgment was too naive.

"......That was no assumption. As we all serve the Yotsuba Family, it is a common feeling that we all possess. Even though we cannot see heart to heart, as long as we aim for the same goal, then we are all on the same wavelength."

This was a fabricated excuse that abandoned all theory and logic. Even so, his opponent still prepared the forbidden poison for the last moment.

"You're nothing more than a heartless, false Magician. You wouldn't be able to understand."

The moment Aoki spat out this malicious sentiment, the walls were suddenly covered in frost.

The air conditioning kicked into overdrive trying to restore the rapidly falling temperature.

Swirls of cold air congregated around Miyuki's feet.

However, Tatsuya reached out with one finger on his left hand and, accompanied by the sound of a cassette player rewinding at high speed — a hallucination that only people that can sense magic can hear — the cold air vanished.

Miyuki's face alternated between angry red and green before turning completely pale. Tatsuya gathered his sister into his bosom with one hand before directing a chilling gaze that cut like a blade towards Aoki.

"My mother was the very one who created this 'heartless fake Magician', the older sister of the Yotsuba Family's current head Yotsuba Maya, she who was called Yotsuba and now Shiba Miya.

She used the forbidden Non-Systematic Magic 'Mental Design Interference', forcibly altering the area in the consciousness, most likely to create strong emotions called the limbic system by inputting a Magic Calculation Model, creating an artificial Magician. The one who designed this experiment was Yotsuba Maya, who had recently been appointed the head of the Yotsuba Family, while the one who conducted this experiment on her six year old son that had no magic skills was Shiba Miya.

In other words, to apply the word 'imposter' to me as the target of the experiment is to call the magic experiment conducted by the current head of the Yotsuba Family and her older sister as a fake. I'm sure you are aware of the consequences?"

Tatsuya gently held his beloved little sister who was sobbing into his chest. On the other hand, he continued to mercilessly press the attack on Aoki, who was responsible for driving his little sister into this state.

"............"

"Tatsuya, stop."

Tatsuya's father, who had remained silent until now — Shiba Tatsurou, covered for the immobile Aoki who had been cowed into silence and stepped forward to halt Tatsuya.

"Don't speak poorly of your mother."

But his words were completely off topic.

This was probably done to avoid irritating the main house and to protect himself.

This corporation was secretly funded by the Yotsuba Family, so even though he was the majority shareholder thanks to the stocks from his deceased wife, the actual power of attorney still remained in the hands of the Yotsuba Family, hence it wasn't surprising for him to speak softly around them, but......

Tatsuya almost broke into laughter.

"Tatsuya, it's not that I don't understand why you bear hatred towards your mother......"

And, this father couldn't even read Tatsuya's expression.

Tatsuya truly believed that, for the sake of everyone's mutual mental health, it was best to leave as quickly as possible.

Even so, Tatsuya felt that he needed to add one extra comment before departing.

"Otou-san, you misunderstand, I don't hate my mother."

"Is...... Is that so......"

He is so great of a father that even though his lap dog(in name he is Yotsuba servant, in reality he is just the boss's private secretary) insult his son, make his daughter cry, he doesn't reprimand it.
Only when his dog is cornered and consequently makes himself in danger, he intervenes.
Now i wonder how do you interpret this.

[Kleeyook]

^^ Yeah ^^ Agree.

I bet there are many people here who want the whole Tatsuya's mistreat by the Yotsuba to be an act of kindness protecting him from whatever BULLSHIT could be and they all really love Tatsuya and wish him the best!

That kind of stupid scenario can only happen if the author wished for it or wrote it while drunk. I'm pretty sure a lot of readers including me would be very upset by this though, as I can't see the possible way for that to happen without it feeling like shit, it's some kind of psychological thriller with biased perspective from the MC all along! Fuck that!

The Yotsuba or pretty most of Tatsuya's family are douches! That's how I think normal people would interpret seeing all their action thus far!

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Mars, you have completely missed the theory's point. My point is I believe Miyuki, Tatsuya, and their father are completely misunderstanding each others motives. Their father thinks Tatsuya is being forced to do what he is. Tatsuya thinks his father just wants him as a tool, like he sees all of the other researchers like his step mother. And Miyuki is mainly pissed because she sees her father as trying to take her brother away from her

There aren't any room to misunderstand.

The boss is clearly told by Tatsuya he doesn't want to work for him. He wants to go to high school, he wants to protect Miyuki.
He does that because well, you know, he wants to. Not because someone forces him to or he has to.

"......Then, let's cut right to the chase. The company labs require your assistance. If possible, we hope you will drop out from high school."

"Impossible. During Miyuki's enrollment at First High, I am unable to fulfill my mission as a guardian if I am not a student at First High."

A ridiculous demand warranted a flat refusal from Tatsuya.

"Even if you're not a student, other guardians could be made available."

"There is a shortage of Magicians in every field. Even the Yotsuba Family would be hard pressed to replace a guardian on such short notice."

"In other words, you are the finest candidate?"

"When only restricted to Miyuki's protection, that is indeed the case."

This was a conversation that had occurred multiple times in the past.

Whew, Sayuri heaved a great sigh that didn't seem theatrical.

"......I doubt any company has enough surplus to allow someone as talented as you, to simply play around."

"Play around? I do believe I have made powerful contributions to the company as well. A few days ago, the company received an order from the USNA Navy for a large quantity of Flying-Type devices, which boosted the quarterly profits by 20% compared to last quarter."

At Tatsuya's combative words, Sayuri couldn't help but reveal a regretful expression.

That was because she had no rebuttal for Tatsuya's words.

"I ignored Father’s wish of continuing to help with company work and entered high school. I didn’t expect any congratulations at all. That much of Father’s nature at least you should understand right?"

Now, a father who according to your theory wants to free his son from what?
"doing things he doesn't want to". Why would he try time to time force his son do something he says "no" countless times?

Tatsuya doesn't mind to work with each other if it suits his goal. (the thesis competition he is willingly to accept. Unlike the 9-school competition.) If he doesn't want to cooperate, it only means there is no benefit for him.

And honestly, you are totally bias against Miyuki. She piss off because he takes her brother away? To make him recognized? No she won't. She is happy when he get recognized from his 3rd division, from the 101. She is totally cool when the army takes him away from her. She is totally cool when he has to do CAD stuff at 3rd division.
Don't treat her like some messed up Yandere because she isn't.

Her foremost concern about Tatsuya is not how to make him stay with her but how to make him happy.(staying with him is her concern, bu not the highest one.) It is showed from time to time: she is happy that he has many friends come to cheer on him in 9-school, she is hurt that Tatsuya doesn't know Erkia shows affection toward him, she doesn't obstruct Honoka, ... She is devoted but not selfish.

"For my own parent to act so pathetically childish, it’s infuriating. In the first place if he wanted to separate me from Onii-sama, he should notify me and then Aunt first, but he doesn’t even have the courage for that.

She is infuriating because he acts sneaky and cowardly, not because of he tries to separate them.
If you done nothing wrong, you don't do things sneaky, you high your head up and walk tall.
As the boss knows his daughter's concern is her brother welfare and benefit. If he just show a report on how much benefit Tatsuya can gain if he works for the boss instead of going to school and it's reasonable, i'm sure she will approve like when Tatsuya join the moral committee, like when Mayumi asks him to take care of CAD for more students.
And he doesn't dare to notify her about making Tatsuya work for him.
Why? Because there isn't any benefit for Tatsuya. Can't say he loves him and want the best for him.

Every information about Tatsuya is only considered official when it comes out from Miyuki's mouth. Whether his magic, his CAD develop, his emotion,.... That's what the author intent to do. Leave every narrator lines about Tatsuya for Miyuki.

And you say his father gives him freedom. No.
It's his awesomeness when he beats someone at their own game that give him freedom.
Look at the italic line in the first quote. She tries to coerce him into her golden-egg goose, again by saying he doesn't work up to his salary and get owned.

[Kleeyook]

^^ Well, you posted quite a lot instead of merging them together. But I understand you don't want to discuss with two different moods in the same post.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by bietchie11

There aren't any room to misunderstand.

The boss is clearly told by Tatsuya he doesn't want to work for him. He wants to go to high school, he wants to protect Miyuki.
He does that because well, you know, he wants to. Not because someone forces him to or he has to.

No he doesn't everything he said is in refrence to him doing his duty as a Guardian.

"Impossible. During Miyuki's enrollment at First High, I am unable to fulfill my mission as a guardian if I am not a student at First High."

A ridiculous demand warranted a flat refusal from Tatsuya.

"Even if you're not a student, other guardians could be made available."

"There is a shortage of Magicians in every field. Even the Yotsuba Family would be hard pressed to replace a guardian on such short notice."

"In other words, you are the finest candidate?"

"When only restricted to Miyuki's protection, that is indeed the case."

This was a conversation that had occurred multiple times in the past.

Nowhere in there does he express he wants to go to high school for any reason except to protect Miyuki. God knows how the talk would have gone diffrent if Tatsuya said something like "I like high school".

Yes I know Tatsuya wants to protect Miyuki form the bottom of his heart. The question is does his father? It's questionable how much he even knows about Miyuki's change of heart 3 years ago since he remarired and moved out at the maxamum 6 months after it happened.

Now, a father who according to your theory wants to free his son from what?
"doing things he doesn't want to". Why would he try time to time force his son do something he says "no" countless times?

As stated I don't belive he understands that Tatsuya is doing it because he really wants to. And Tatsuya isn't helping because he never clearifies his motives

And honestly, you are totally bias against Miyuki. She piss off because he takes her brother away? To make him recognized? No she won't. She is happy when he get recognized from his 3rd division, from the 101. She is totally cool when the army takes him away from her. She is totally cool when he has to do CAD stuff at 3rd division.
Don't treat her like some messed up Yandere because she isn't.

Again you didn't comprehend what I was saying. She is pissed with her father for the cardnal sin of trying to take her brother away from her permently. Among other things like as Tatsuya thinks him remarrying less then 6 months after her mother's death.

The fact you keep acting like I am anti-Miyuki paints what I have been trying to get acrossed. I'm not I am only pointing out that she is a somewhat hotheaded teen when it comes to her brother and can be wrong. Or do you belive 13 year old Tatsuya hated her?

Originally Posted by Kleeyook

^^ Yeah ^^ Agree.

I bet there are many people here who want the whole Tatsuya's mistreat by the Yotsuba to be an act of kindness protecting him from whatever BULLSHIT could be and they all really love Tatsuya and wish him the best!

That kind of stupid scenario can only happen if the author wished for it or wrote it while drunk. I'm pretty sure a lot of readers including me would be very upset by this though, as I can't see the possible way for that to happen without it feeling like shit, it's some kind of psychological thriller with biased perspective from the MC all along! Fuck that!

The Yotsuba or pretty most of Tatsuya's family are douches! That's how I think normal people would interpret seeing all their action thus far!

I agree most of the Yotsuba are pretty bad but remain unconvinced about his father and mother, but not quite sure about his aunt yet. The in actual events we see involveing them, they don't come off nearly as bad as how they are portrayed in POV naration.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by kagato3

No he doesn't everything he said is in refrence to him doing his duty as a Guardian.



Nowhere in there does he express he wants to go to high school for any reason except to protect Miyuki. God knows how the talk would have gone diffrent if Tatsuya said something like "I like high school".

Yes I know Tatsuya wants to protect Miyuki form the bottom of his heart. The question is does his father? It's questionable how much he even knows about Miyuki's change of heart 3 years ago since he remarired and moved out at the maxamum 6 months after it happened.


As stated I don't belive he understands that Tatsuya is doing it because he really wants to. And Tatsuya isn't helping because he never clearifies his motives



Again you didn't comprehend what I was saying. She is pissed with her father for the cardnal sin of trying to take her brother away from her permently. Among other things like as Tatsuya thinks him remarrying less then 6 months after her mother's death.

The fact you keep acting like I am anti-Miyuki paints what I have been trying to get acrossed. I'm not I am only pointing out that she is a somewhat hotheaded teen when it comes to her brother and can be wrong. Or do you belive 13 year old Tatsuya hated her?


I agree most of the Yotsuba are pretty bad but remain unconvinced about his father and mother, but not quite sure about his aunt yet. The in actual events we see involveing them, they don't come off nearly as bad as how they are portrayed in POV naration.

No matter how you twisted it like this:
"Yes I know Tatsuya wants to protect Miyuki form the bottom of his heart. The question is does his father? It's questionable how much he even knows about Miyuki's change of heart 3 years ago since he remarired and moved out at the maxamum 6 months after it happened."

Or like that:
"No he doesn't everything he said is in refrence to him doing his duty as a Guardian. "

Or this:
"As stated I don't belive he understands that Tatsuya is doing it because he really wants to. And Tatsuya isn't helping because he never clearifies his motives "

It doesn't change the fact "NO MEANS NO". How is it unclear when he say "no"?
Does that matter if he know about Miyuki this and that? I don't understand what you are trying to say in this part because she clearly stood out for her brother multiple times, to the point that when he try to coerce him he doesn't dare to notify her.


Do you even understand that this kind of stuff happen many time that he doesn't even bother to state his intention anymore and skip right through the excuse section. If i were him, i would do that too since i'm already too fed up.
Unless you are saying what he said is not a refusal and the excuse of being guardian is not a pretext , a card using an authority higher than theirs to force them not to force him.
Because i'm pretty sure someone who just need to communicate for 10 years would catch the drift.

And this:
"Again you didn't comprehend what I was saying. She is pissed with her father for the cardnal sin of trying to take her brother away from her permently. Among other things like as Tatsuya thinks him remarrying less then 6 months after her mother's death."

The JSDF, which has one of the highest authorities in a countries.
Honoka, a girl who has potential to be his life partner.
An unless asshole ,who i don't even remember the name, whose business is sustained by his wife's family and by his son.
Among those three, you say Miyuki treats the third differently because he has the authority to take him away from her permanently? Really? How?
Military, Honoka, okay i can comprehend. But that spineless piece of shit? I can't.

"I am only pointing out that she is a somewhat hotheaded teen when it comes to her brother and can be wrong. Or do you belive 13 year old Tatsuya hated her?"
Kinda convincing but people change.
"Quantity changes lead to quality changes". You takes an example of "the Miyuki" when she knows next to nothing about her to represent for the current "Miyuki" who knows everything about him?
Back to the point, i think she is mature enough now(even back then, it's just she didn't have enough info to analyze.). Further more, her information is reliable since it's from Yotsuba.

And you completely ignore my previous post, don't you?
About him and his lap dog.

4 people who really know what's what in this mater:
-Miyuki, you claim her to prejudiced for god know what reason.
-Tatsuya, you disregard him for his inability to pick up good will. (even though the boss is on "ill will" list which is something Tatsuya specialize at.)
-the boss' bitch, you claim her what? same as her husband: totally good will, try to invite him as a partner and totally not as a rival division head who try to make him use his ability for her works and totally not intent to take all the credit. And oh yeah, almost forget, totally love him for he is the previous wife's son. I mean every step mother in the world is always good to the husband's children and Cinderella is totally not related to any reality.
-the spineless boss, ignore.
Love how you use facts to prove your theory.

[Rava]

It doesn't change the fact "NO MEANS NO". How is it unclear when he say "no"?
Does that matter if he know about Miyuki this and that? I don't understand what you are trying to say in this part because she clearly stood out for her brother multiple times, to the point that when he try to coerce him he doesn't dare to notify her.

Tatsurou/Sayuri: "Um, maybe you should stop acting like you're sleeping with Miyuki..."

Tatsuya: "No! I like it!"

Tatsurou/Sayuri: "Um, but it's really not going to help you in the long run..."

Tatsuya: "NO MEANS NO!"

[bludvein]

Of course she wants to keep Tatsuya close, but that was completely not the reason she was angry with their father. Not sure where you got that from. When it comes to her brother she is usually completely selfless.

[Occulus]

Originally Posted by Mars Mode

Miyuki and him has formed a simbyotic relationship. Tatsuya protects her from anything, and Miyuki protects him from the Yotsuba.

Actually, I think its more of the other way around. I'm pretty sure Miyuki is protecting the Yotsuba from him lol



And oh yeah, just a random question, but do the other nations realize that that the "Mahesvara" is the same magician that used Material Burst? Or are they still unaware?

Man, I'm pretty sure Tatsuya can probably make it to the top 5 most wanted persons list if people found out he was Silver, Mahesvara, and Mr. Tactical Nuke all at the same time.

[bludvein]

Originally Posted by Occulus

Actually, I think its more of the other way around. I'm pretty sure Miyuki is protecting the Yotsuba from him lol



And oh yeah, just a random question, but do the other nations realize that that the "Mahesvara" is the same magician that used Material Burst? Or are they still unaware?

Man, I'm pretty sure Tatsuya can probably make it to the top 5 most wanted persons list if people found out he was Silver, Mahesvara, and Mr. Tactical Nuke all at the same time.

Im pretty sure they don't know. They may suspect it though. I know I'd be suspicious with the timing of the attacks right after his appearance.

Spoiler for ...:

Though if the Lina arc stays true to the form of the web novel the USNA will figure it out.

[Rava]

Originally Posted by Occulus

Actually, I think its more of the other way around. I'm pretty sure Miyuki is protecting the Yotsuba from him lol



And oh yeah, just a random question, but do the other nations realize that that the "Mahesvara" is the same magician that used Material Burst? Or are they still unaware?

Man, I'm pretty sure Tatsuya can probably make it to the top 5 most wanted persons list if people found out he was Silver, Mahesvara, and Mr. Tactical Nuke all at the same time.

Depending on how much each person knows, he would probably have to go into hiding to avoid assassinations, magic universities and rabid fanboys and fangirls.

[waffler]

all nations will either try to kill him to prevent him for falling into others or capture him because he is huuuuuuuuggggeeee genius knows all cardinal codes super strong genius cad man he's a master jack of all trades