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bladeofdarkness · 2008-06-23, 15:59

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Originally Posted by Orga777

Yep... They are going to treat a TERRORIST with all the suttlty they do royalty.

Look, they treat their OWN troops badly. Or have you forgotten what happened to Jeremiah when he was in prison?

in prison for treason

Yeah, because they would get teh same treatment by teh Black Knights. Didn't Tamaki try to shoot Suzaku when he stepped out of his Lancelot to protect the Ashford gang during the Black Rebellion? Sorry, try again please.

tamaki did
in ep 18 zero promised to treat him fairly by international conventions

Dann of Thursday · 2008-06-23, 16:00

Just because Zero says he will do so doesn't mean they will.

tenken627 · 2008-06-23, 16:02

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

thats part of the point
he didnt beat her (or even face her) on the battle field
he didnt capture her
he just had a chance to take her prisoner knowing it would fuck with zero and he took it
thats no reason to treat her like a dog (the gag is pointlesly crual)
you'd think he or any of the other knights would show her some respect ace pilot to ace pilot (gino even said he had a score to settle with her)

Don't you think this is being a little naive?

I know this is a kid's show and tries to show a more cuddly view rather than reality, but war is still war.

Even if there was no Zero, and if Suzaku never met Kallen before, he would still take her prisoner every time if the opportunity is there. So would anyone else.

You think a gag is cruel? I can think of many things crueler. Imagine if this was a seinen instead of a shonen.

Orga777 · 2008-06-23, 16:03

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

tamaki did
in ep 18 zero promised to treat him fairly by international conventions

Yeah? And do you think it would have happened after 18? Lelouch didn't seem to care during the Black Rebellion after all. But again, Britannia's stance is that she is a terrorist that was captured. Why should she get special treatment? She gets the same treatment as everyone else does in prison, so be lucky. Again, they weren't lenient on their own troops (again, Jeremiah), they most CERTAINLY shouldn't be lenient on an enemy terrorist.

Dann of Thursday · 2008-06-23, 16:03

It's not like she was being treated any differently then another enemy.

bladeofdarkness · 2008-06-23, 16:03

in many real world conflicts (even as early as WWI) captured enemy pilots and officers would be treated with some degree of respect
then again it does depend on who the one who captured them was

hanseo · 2008-06-23, 16:04

this war people they is not going buy kallen cookies and milk

Dann of Thursday · 2008-06-23, 16:05

And this is not the real world. You imprison an enemy soldier.

Eliarine · 2008-06-23, 16:06

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Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I doubt they'll go that far.

I personally wouldn't put anything past Suzaku haters

Kallen is a terrorist, they are not going to tie her to a couch and have her watch Disney Channel. This is war.

tenken627 · 2008-06-23, 16:07

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

in many real world conflicts (even as early as WWI) captured enemy pilots and officers would be treated with some degree of respect
then again it does depend on who the one who captured them was

And many of those same prisoners would be tied up and gagged at some point.

That's not harsh treatment, that's just necessary.

Maybe after they've arrived at their cells, they would no longer need any bonding or gagging. But Kallen hasn't arrived at her cell yet.

And, in many wars all the way back to WWI, both sides inflicted a lot of harsh and painful treatment on their prisoners. Some just hide it better than others.

Like the United States' waterboarding torture that they use even on officers (especially on officers).

Orga777 · 2008-06-23, 16:07

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

in many real world conflicts (even as early as WWI) captured enemy pilots and officers would be treated with some degree of respect
then again it does depend on who the one who captured them was

Yeah? But guess what the problem is here? Britannia doesn't VIEW her as a POW from another country. They view her as a treasonous TERRORIST who do NOT have the same rights.

Dann of Thursday · 2008-06-23, 16:07

I suppose some don't like the idea of Kallen being treated anything less than like a queen. Still, it's not like they were doing anything strange. Besides, we don't know who put Kallen in the suit. Suzaku wasn't the only one there.

bladeofdarkness · 2008-06-23, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I suppose some don't like the idea of Kallen being treated anything less than like a queen. Still, it's not like they were doing anything strange. Besides, we don't know who put Kallen in the suit. Suzaku wasn't the only one there.

lets hope it wasnt suzaku
since who ever it was that put her in the suit had to take off her plugsuit first

Dann of Thursday · 2008-06-23, 16:14

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

lets hope it wasnt suzaku
since who ever it was that put her in the suit had to take off her plugsuit first

I doubt it was. And I don't think it really matters. It's not like they were torturing her or something. I mean, hate Suzaku if he brings her before the Emperor for a mindwipe. That's at least something to be angry about.

SoldierOfDarkness · 2008-06-23, 16:14

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

lets hope it wasnt suzaku
since who ever it was that put her in the suit had to take off her plugsuit first

Well then it isn't the second time Suzaku changed her clothes.

DarkLordOfkichiku · 2008-06-23, 16:15

Oooookay guys, settle down. I can understand the anger towards Suzaku, but you might be taking things a bit too far here. It's true enough that Kallen being a POW doesn't mean that they have to treat her like a VIP (though the gag was unecressarilly, or so I feel). And considering that she's likely enough to get lightly off in the end of compared to, say, the other OotBK were, it might outweigh it in the end. And Suzaku checking on her can well have been a small kindness on his part, to check that she wasn't beign treated harsher than was strictly necressarilly....

Dann of Thursday · 2008-06-23, 16:17

Exactly. The hate is getting too far. Besides, she's going to be fine no matter what and gain much more.

tenken627 · 2008-06-23, 16:19

I don't like Suzaku either, but at least hate him for the things he's done and not for the things he hasn't.

bladeofdarkness · 2008-06-23, 16:21

can i still hate him for the end of ep 5 ?

Dann of Thursday · 2008-06-23, 16:22

I don't hate him, but he isn't on my favorites list either. Just because he played a part in her capture is no reason to hate him.

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Dann of Thursday WHERE'S...MY...COW???? Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 34	Just because Zero says he will do so doesn't mean they will. __________________ By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, if you want to test a man's character give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

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Dann of Thursday WHERE'S...MY...COW???? Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 34	It's not like she was being treated any differently then another enemy. __________________ By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, if you want to test a man's character give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

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bladeofdarkness Um-Shmum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts Age: 39	in many real world conflicts (even as early as WWI) captured enemy pilots and officers would be treated with some degree of respect then again it does depend on who the one who captured them was __________________

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hanseo CC's Shining Knight Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SC, USA Age: 35	this war people they is not going buy kallen cookies and milk __________________

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Dann of Thursday WHERE'S...MY...COW???? Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 34	And this is not the real world. You imprison an enemy soldier. __________________ By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, if you want to test a man's character give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

2008-06-23, 16:07	Link #1032
Dann of Thursday WHERE'S...MY...COW???? Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 34	I suppose some don't like the idea of Kallen being treated anything less than like a queen. Still, it's not like they were doing anything strange. Besides, we don't know who put Kallen in the suit. Suzaku wasn't the only one there. __________________ By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, if you want to test a man's character give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

2008-06-23, 16:15	Link #1036
DarkLordOfkichiku Senior Member Join Date: May 2008	Oooookay guys, settle down. I can understand the anger towards Suzaku, but you might be taking things a bit too far here. It's true enough that Kallen being a POW doesn't mean that they have to treat her like a VIP (though the gag was unecressarilly, or so I feel). And considering that she's likely enough to get lightly off in the end of compared to, say, the other OotBK were, it might outweigh it in the end. And Suzaku checking on her can well have been a small kindness on his part, to check that she wasn't beign treated harsher than was strictly necressarilly....

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Dann of Thursday WHERE'S...MY...COW???? Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 34	Exactly. The hate is getting too far. Besides, she's going to be fine no matter what and gain much more. __________________ By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, if you want to test a man's character give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

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tenken627 what Yagi said Join Date: Mar 2008	I don't like Suzaku either, but at least hate him for the things he's done and not for the things he hasn't.

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bladeofdarkness Um-Shmum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts Age: 39	can i still hate him for the end of ep 5 ? __________________

2008-06-23, 16:22	Link #1040
Dann of Thursday WHERE'S...MY...COW???? Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 34	I don't hate him, but he isn't on my favorites list either. Just because he played a part in her capture is no reason to hate him. __________________ By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, if you want to test a man's character give him power." - Abraham Lincoln