[PC/PSP] Seinarukana: The Spirit of Eternity Sword 2

[johnishida]

Originally Posted by Shinova

If I recall the dialogue, and if I'm understanding it correctly,

Spoiler:

They said that it was like flying into the space above space, in a sense. That would be sort of like transitioning into another dimension.

The common factor in all the worlds travelled by Monobe seems to be that they all have a support tower of some sort. The spirit world had the spirit corridor, and the world itself was a sort of hub for many other worlds. The magic world had that giant central tower. The time-looping world's central complex could've been built on the location of such a tower. The nearly-ruined world Zetsu lead the cast to had the remains of a support tower. The alternate world had Izumo.

It could be that there's a universe, but if each universe is like a fruit then the worlds that Monobe travels to are like the base of the branch that connects to the fruit or something.

It could be all totally different of course.

I agree with you. That is what I understood from all the explanations in the game. The World itself is the big tree in which all the other worlds are contained. Remeh did say that the place where the Management Gods reside is part of The World while all the others are just a 'branches' of it.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

The Place where Et-Ca-Refa resides is also part of The World

EDIT:

Seinarukana's 'World Tree' is not the only one in the Universe (which would be the space outside the 'World Tree').

Spoiler for Spoiler:

I'm sure of it 'cause Narukana said that Et Ca Refa was given the role to create, using Jirorous' power, that 'World Tree' so it could seal Narukana and the Naru Mana. Meaning, there should be others 'World Trees' besides that one.

[PhoenixG]

Originally Posted by PhoenixG

Something I've just checked. It looks like that only enemies Pe skills ignores allies R skills, but the other way around doesn't. Bug?



Also rechecked this. Name Breaker doesn't ignore it.

But I think it might be possible that she doesn't her enough mana to use her R defence skill. Name Breaker has a nasty ability to reduce mana regenaration with 1.

Just test this a bit more.

Pe skills does ignores R skills ( enemy and allies), but this only applies to 'green' skills with Pe skills. So like Salles's Page:Huricane, Narukana's Frabrum or Nozomi's BusterTyphoon/Nozomin punch will ignore R skills.


I think the tree anology is quite valid.

Spoiler for Satsuki ending:

In Satsuki ending Monobe gets some upgrade ( thanks to Tokimi) to be able to fly outside their time-space. In a tree would be making a very big jump between branches

[Hemisphere]

This was what I got from the game, IIRC.

Spoiler:

All the worlds are part of Et Ca Rifa, and are somewhat analogous to the "branches" of the World Tree, since that's how Satsuki and the rest explained it early on. The place where the management gods reside in is...err, I think the trunk? And the place of Origin is where Et Ca Rifa resides, and is where everything started - from Jiruoru's imprisonment and escape with Narukana, to the subsequent slaughter of the north and south gods, and then to Narukana's imprisonment, after that to Jiruoru's death at the hands of Faimu. At first I thought that the World Tree was an individual world of its own - thanks for reminding me that it exists inside a universe.

I'm not really sure if the worlds of the World Tree have universes of their own, but they might, and now that's gotten me all confused and I think I've forgotten my original point. Oh yeah, I meant to ask: does this mean that Phantasmagoria is also part of the World Tree?

I'm really forgetful, and coupled with my inability to understand Japanese then, I'm sure I missed this even though it might have been stated already in Eien no Aseria, but...where are Yuuto and Aseria staying now?

Spoiler:

Now here's something I'm sure must have been explained in the game, but something that I possibly forgot. Were all of the North - South Gods originally from outside of the World Tree, or does that only apply to Serafica, Narukana and Jiruoru (and a few other names which I might have forgotten)?

[PhoenixG]

Just got to this part...

This is from chapter 12. The conversation of "why does Jiruoru knows the location of Et Ca Rifa" and the conversation between Nozomu, Narukana and Salles. The second one is about the start of this universe.

Spoiler:

This time-space/universe was created by a handfull shinken users (Jiruoru was one of them), to imprison Narukana. This was Lokos(shinken nr.1 Sein) idea, who defeated Narukana in a battle (one of the reason why Narukana hates Lokos) (According to Narukana it was an unfair match and she lost that battle on purpose :P). Et Ca Rifa was put in charge to administrate this universe.

The reason why there are than one universe is that the creators of this universe came from a different universe. In Seinarukana; Narukana, Lokos, Salles, Euphie, Sephirica, Et Ca Rifa and Jiruoru are from a different universe. The miko's of Izumo are questionable (I think Tokimi is, because she's a High Eternal).

Phantasmagoria is outside this universe, but I don't know this universe fit in the World tree's picture. :/

Although timeline wise how this fit to the picture. Like when was the 'two gods war', Jiruoru's improsonment (and why) etc.

There was a timeline at the end of Eien no Aselia. Maybe some info about it.

[johnishida]

Originally Posted by Erhjegel

This was what I got from the game, IIRC.

Spoiler:

All the worlds are part of Et Ca Rifa, and are somewhat analogous to the "branches" of the World Tree, since that's how Satsuki and the rest explained it early on. The place where the management gods reside in is...err, I think the trunk? And the place of Origin is where Et Ca Rifa resides, and is where everything started - from Jiruoru's imprisonment and escape with Narukana, to the subsequent slaughter of the north and south gods, and then to Narukana's imprisonment, after that to Jiruoru's death at the hands of Faimu. At first I thought that the World Tree was an individual world of its own - thanks for reminding me that it exists inside a universe.

I'm not really sure if the worlds of the World Tree have universes of their own, but they might, and now that's gotten me all confused and I think I've forgotten my original point. Oh yeah, I meant to ask: does this mean that Phantasmagoria is also part of the World Tree?

I'm really forgetful, and coupled with my inability to understand Japanese then, I'm sure I missed this even though it might have been stated already in Eien no Aseria, but...where are Yuuto and Aseria staying now?

Now here's something I'm sure must have been explained in the game, but something that I possibly forgot. Were all of the North - South Gods originally from outside of the World Tree, or does that only apply to Serafica, Narukana and Jiruoru (and a few other names which I might have forgotten)?

Spoiler for Spoiler:

The ones who came from outside were: Serafica, Jirouro, Narukana, Et Ca Refa, Salles, Edega and Etoru.

All the other God's, inside the World Tree, were created from Jirouro's power. That is why whenever he killed one he would become more and more powerful. I guess he does deserves to be called: The Strongest God.

And yes, considering Tomiki was in the World Tree, Phantasmagoria might be part of it but, Tamaki also said that, like Narukana, Euphoria came from outside the World Tree so, surely, Yuuto and Aselia both left the World Tree after becoming High Eternals just like Nozomu and Narukana did and sent back Euphoria for who knows what reason...

[PhoenixG]

Just quickly read through Aselia's ending. So Euphie is born on the world where Eien no Aselia plays (Phantasmagoria).

Two attacks from Euphie are named after an attack from Yuuto and Aselia.
The two dragon are named after Yuuto and Aselia's old shinken (before they turned to Eternals).

Spoiler for Aselia's ending:

The epiloge also says that Yuuto and Aselia (and Euphie) jumps quite often from world to world. So where Yuuto and Aselia are is a mystery (my guess they are in Phantasmagoria).

[Hemisphere]

I don't know...see, there's this part where

Spoiler:

Tokimi mentioned that she was taking Euphoria back to her parents' home, so it must mean that Aseria and Yuuto found a place, or world, to stay. Either that, or she's simply talking about the home where Aseria and Yuuto might be staying in whichever world they are right now.

Well, I'd still love to see Narukana-sama and Murakamo no Nozomu bump into Yuuto and Aseria. And have the whole war between Law and Chaos Eternals finally break out!

SPOILER TAG JUST KICKED IN YO!

[Newprimus]

I've been thinking about this for a long time since this thread first started and sort of put it off, but I think it's time to say it out loud.

Better control over the spoilers please. It's as if you all got used to just posting things out in the open but I've already been spoilerized to more than I'd like since I haven't finished the game yet and I'm sure others haven't.

I'd also appreciate if you labelled your spoilers with what route or what chapter.

[MeganeShounen]

*sneaks in amidst the conversations*

I remember a few pages/posts back that there was a popularity contest for Seinarukana. Just wondering... is this picture the related?

Spoiler:

EDIT: Forgot to mention that Euphoria looks exquisitely cute there.

[Hemisphere]

Yep, that's the one announcing the results of the popularity contest. As expected, Euphoria-chan won by a landslide.

And as per Shinova's request, spoiler'd.

[PhoenixG]

Originally Posted by Erhjegel

I don't know...see, there's this part where

Spoiler:

Tokimi mentioned that she was taking Euphoria back to her parents' home, so it must mean that Aseria and Yuuto found a place, or world, to stay. Either that, or she's simply talking about the home where Aseria and Yuuto might be staying in whichever world they are right now.

Well, I'd still love to see Narukana-sama and Murakamo no Nozomu bump into Yuuto and Aseria. And have the whole war between Law and Chaos Eternals finally break out!

SPOILER TAG JUST KICKED IN YO!

Spoiler for eternals:

How did you know that Yuuto and Aselia are Chaos Eternals? I know that Euphie are Law Eternals, but Yuuto and Aselia I don't.

BTW. I just want to see Tokimi's reaction when Euphie calls her Tokimi-obaasan :P

About populair contest...

Spoiler for in game joke:

So the "mascot" of the team wins against the "mascot" of the "idol". And the "mascot" wins against the "idol" :P

[Hemisphere]

Spoiler:

Yuuto and Aseria, if I remember correctly, have stated that they're on the side of the Chaos Eternals. Whether it was on the Eien no Aseria Digest or from somewhere else, like the novels, I don't remember. But they are Chaos Eternals.

Oh, another one!

Spoiler:

Since it was Nozomu who made the contract with, and was wholly accepted by, Narukana-sama/Murakamo, I wonder what would happen if Jiruoru resurfaced back as the dominant personality, say temporarily? Would he gain the benefits of being a Naru High Eternal, or would he just be a High Eternal? Or would the ensuing paradox blow up Nozomu's existence?

Third's one a gag, really. We all know Rehme, Satsuki-senpai and Narukana-sama wouldn't allow that to happen.

[PhoenixG]

Spoiler:

I think Naru High Eternal. Naru change one body, and they "share" the body. Although I wonder what Narukana reaction will be when she "meet's" Jiruoru again.

More question about Eternals.

What are the differents between Law and Chaos Eternal. It is strange that Yuuto and Aselia are Chaos, while their child Euphie is Law...

Is Tokimi Chaos or Law?

[Hemisphere]

Spoiler:

Well, Narukana likes Jiruoru since he's the first guy she's been with, but it's mostly just out of infatuation. She loves Nozomu, to say the least, and even Jiruoru told Narukana that Nozomu was created "for the sole purpose of being the one to wield you".

Eternals?

Spoiler:

In the world of Eien no Aseria, the creation of all life and worlds resulted from the one true Eien Shinken breaking off into several smaller Shinkens. Chaos Eternals wish to preserve this "status quo", if you will - the chaos of several worlds, and subsequently, life - while the Law Eternals, as the name suggests, wishes to return everything back to one true order - to return everything back to the one true Eien Shinken, which would result in the subsequent death of all worlds and lives.

What would really influence the battle between these two sides would be Murakamo no Nozomu and Narukana-sama. Whoever they choose to help out in the upcoming war would definitely have a much greater advantage. Chances are they'll be joining the protagonist of Eien no Aseria 3, and that Euphoria-chan will be present as well - possibly as a capturable heroine! And if that happens, Yuuto and Aseria will definitely be there. Let's not forget, too, about Salles' organization, along with Izumo. I'm pretty sure that these guys are rooting for the Chaos side.

Remember, not only is Euphoria-chan abnormally powerful right from the start, but her age hasn't "stopped" yet. All Eternals stop aging once they become, well, Eternals, but Euphoria-chan's aging means that her power is just growing.

Mother and father fight against their daughter for the sake of all life! EIEN NO ASERIA 3, DO WANT!

Oh, and

Spoiler:

As for Tokimi, once Euphoria-chan calls her "obaa-san", I'm going to die laughing. What more if Aseria is reminded of the fact that Yuuto had sex with Tokimi? Poor Yuuto.

I wonder how many Shinkens are in Tokimi's possession. It's hinted at that she has more than three Shinkens. I wonder what they all do?

[PhoenixG]

Spoiler for Tokimi:

They had sex? O.o Was that told in the game? I've played the all-age version that came with Seinarukana.

I do know she has two shinken (she did used both in Eien no Aselia), but more then two...

[Hemisphere]

Spoiler:

Eien no Aseria original - yeah. They had sex. Tokimi even punched Yuuto in the face before the act, and tried to punish him after they finished. And yeah, she has more than three!

[selkirk]

Just bought this today. Randomly saw it as I was leaving after buying some other things.

80 pages of character and design sketches/artwork, an H Nozomu x Reime () manga, and about 40 pages of background and setting information (text). Too bad it's all black and white though.

[Hemisphere]

YOU TOO?! GRAH!

Too bad you didn't get the calendar, though.

[Newprimus]

That must be had.

[Wild Goose]

*sweatdrios, laughs nervously* Okaaaay, I am really, really really REALLY lost. -_- This is why I play FPSes - they tend to be easier on the mind.

I've managed to beg, plead, and blackmail one of my friends who has the game into lending it to me, so next week I'll finally get it, install and start playing... so I'm a bit lost. What is AGTH, how do I use it, where do I copy-paste, and...

*sighs* Maybe I shoulda taken Japanese lessons last year? -_-

Sorry to trouble you guys.